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Reply #51 January 27, 2012 12:45:51 AM
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Downloaded it..... played it.... conclusion:  needs more cowbell!

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Reply #52 January 27, 2012 12:53:11 AM
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Quoting Kravick3,
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The download keeps interrupting for some reason.  I've tried downloading the game 7 times now and every time it gets to about 50-60 MB downloaded, the download closes and says the file finished downloading.  Obviously it hasn't if says it only downloaded about 50 MB.  I understand there are probably a lot of people downloading this file right now but why does it keep disconnecting like this?  No, not using a router.

Try a different Browser. Had the same Problem in IE9, worked after I tried again in FireFox.

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Reply #53 January 27, 2012 1:08:33 AM
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I had the download end suddenly at around 630 megs the first time.  I'm about 73% done this time around as I type this.  As I only have about 5 GB to work with for the month (wireless internet), here's to hoping I get all of it this time.  Firefox 8 BTW.

I'd be curious as to why 'resumable downloads' aren't happening, as it would have been nice to be able to resume my previious download, rather than having a corrupted 630 meg file...

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Reply #54 January 27, 2012 2:16:03 AM
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Quoting MightyM79,
reply 52

Quoting Kravick3, reply 50The download keeps interrupting for some reason.  I've tried downloading the game 7 times now and every time it gets to about 50-60 MB downloaded, the download closes and says the file finished downloading.  Obviously it hasn't if says it only downloaded about 50 MB.  I understand there are probably a lot of people downloading this file right now but why does it keep disconnecting like this?  No, not using a router.
Try a different Browser. Had the same Problem in IE9, worked after I tried again in FireFox.

 

That did the trick.  I have no idea why this kept happening.  Strangely enough, I had the exact opposite problem as you.  I normally use Firefox but it wouldn't go past 60 MB.  Then I was able to download the entire file the first time using IE.

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Reply #55 January 27, 2012 2:53:27 AM
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Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

And finaly, I'm missing some characteristic buildings that make cities not only specialised, but individualised. For example a military city that has not only an Military Academy, but also the Royal Stables, an Enchanted Forge, and a Temple of Life; making this city Paladin-central, the source of my elite troops, the backbone of my army. Or the overcrowded metropolis that is the scene of a power struggle between the thieves guild and the merchants guild, making this city a good source of cheap troops and interesting events.
This is a bit harder to nail down, but I miss something that makes cities more than just Military city 1, research city 3, gold city 6, etc. I think some rare buildings could help with this, especially if they can interact with other equally rare buildings in interesting ways.

I definitely agree on this part, and it got me thinking - mutually exclusive buildings would go a long way towards making cities feel unique. What if you can have your Temple of Life that allows you to train soldiers with paladinesque healing/smiting abilities, or an Assassin's Guild that allows soldiers with poisons or crit bonuses.. but the paladins and assassins will not tolerate living side by side, so you only get to build one in a given city? And to really make the entire city (not just the units it can train) distinct from others, give the buildings significant economic effects as well - the Temple reduces unrest and increases production, and units stationed in the city heal much faster; the Guild increases unrest but provides a gold income and growth bonus. Now military city #1 is the zealous holy city of paladins, and military city #2 is the seedy metropolis where assassins thrive, you're never going to confuse the two.

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Reply #56 January 27, 2012 4:20:04 AM
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Quoting Satrhan,
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Alright then. First off, I agree with you on improvement placement. It just leads to a lot of weirdness, snaking being the worst offender. Personally I would like to see one-tile cities or one-tile-per-level cities with building handled in the city management screen. But that being a bit of a long shot, I'd settle for some hard limits on how many tiles a city can occupy. This tile limit could increase with leveling. This will force you to make some choices in what you build. I'd also limit building to just the tiles around the city hub. Resources could be included in the city, but only if you build the hub right next to it. This should count towards the tile limit, making including it a choice with some drawbacks as well.

Vouching for weirdness of tile placement. The only mechanic behind that is snaking the cities... The tile limit seems to be sort of artificial. To me the more natural way how to balance stuff is to adjust the costs. So you can build everything, but it will tak long and you wont be able to train units in between. Btw. having one common queue for both buildings and units is yay!

 

Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

Second, the scale of what you're building is off (I'm not talking about graphics). Being the sovereign, you shouldn't be involved in mundane tasks like placing gardens, granaries, workshops, and pubs. Like you said, you should be making decisions about the role of a city (military, research, production, etc). Those are large scale decisions, and the corresponding buildings should be large, requiring a significant investment of time and materials. Building a fortress for instance should be a lengthy and costly undertaking.

Disagree here a lot. While you might feel that it is unrealistic (in a fantasy elemental world doh), it is part of game and gaming. In civs u also build the buildings. In HOMAM you build buildings too. Every spacefaring game - you build buildings. Do you remember MoO3? Quite complex sophisticated and detailed with regards to planet development (and imbalanced and disasterous tactical battles). Since the number of planets was potentially quite large, they developed an interesting governor and one level higher - managment system. So planets were divided into groups like borders, core, industrial, farm etc. You set up the managment and governors do your will. While perhaps "realistic" it was incredibly boring! Because after pressing next turn 100x in a row you realize that you are no longer playing. Why create a complex system and then build AI above it which takes care of everyting?

Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

Third, there are a lot of no-brainer buildings. Take the Beacon of Hope for instance. The only decision about it is when to build it, first or after a few other buildings. Since you'll always build it in your capital anyway, why not include it in it automatically? (In WoM the capital could have different properties than normal cities, so it shouldn't be hard to do). But there are more such buildings. A lot of them have to do with food and production. Like the workshop, or the +1 grain or +x food per grain buildings. They are almost always a good idea to build, only decision again being when to build it. Just adding more (maintenance) costs to them wouldn't make them more interesting.

Well, seems quite related to previous point. If you make lot of things completely automatic, there is no game. And you still can delay the beacon and start pouting out pioneers or whatever....

 

Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

One way to address the previous two points could be the re-introduction of the farmers/craftsmen/peasants/malcontents division. (Any comment on why that system didn't make it into the game, it sounded good?) I've made a more in depth post about it here https://forums.elementalgame.com/415796 . I think this system could add a lot, through both giving you more control over the city, and removing the need for a lot of utility buildings.

this seems to contradict your second point - why should sovereing care about exact number of farmers...?

 

Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

And finaly, I'm missing some characteristic buildings that make cities not only specialised, but individualised. For example a military city that has not only an Military Academy, but also the Royal Stables, an Enchanted Forge, and a Temple of Life; making this city Paladin-central, the source of my elite troops, the backbone of my army. Or the overcrowded metropolis that is the scene of a power struggle between the thieves guild and the merchants guild, making this city a good source of cheap troops and interesting events.
This is a bit harder to nail down, but I miss something that makes cities more than just Military city 1, research city 3, gold city 6, etc. I think some rare buildings could help with this, especially if they can interact with other equally rare buildings in interesting ways.

I agree, more world/nation wonder-kind of buildings? This seems to be "only" content problem, not really a mechanic, so it shouold be easy to add/mod that in.

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Reply #57 January 27, 2012 5:09:02 AM
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I feel a little green around the gills. The game is getting to me!

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Reply #58 January 27, 2012 5:43:21 AM
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Quoting Frogboy,
reply 36
For instance, I don't like having improvement placement at all. I'd prefer that players chose their building and the game simply placed the improvement taking out the whole location thing because it creates the implication that placement matters and it really doesn't other than "snaking" which really isn't a very good mechanic.
If snaking goes away we need another way to wall off choke points.

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Reply #59 January 27, 2012 5:46:52 AM
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Quoting Nakor,
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Blooder27, Yehudah, tjashen, LightEcho, bazerka250, and anyone else in the window through October 31, 2010 should have account records as of 10pm EST tonight. You won't have an email until tomorrow, but the records have been updated. Sorry about the delay.

Kris
Sure enough...no email yet but at 0500 the beta download is waiting for me at Stardock.  

 

Downloading now.

 

Thank you very much.

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Reply #60 January 27, 2012 6:10:30 AM
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Thanks to the devteam and everybody. It's really encouraging to see this long list of changes. And it is even more satisfying to see that in the last week all 10 tickets with bugs/crashes I opened got closed, makes me feel like I really got an impact and help make the game better for myself and others. Keep up the good work.

 

Only downside, next patch in 2 weeks? Would have liked it if we'd have kept up with a weekly release. Release early and release often my iterative development friends

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Reply #61 January 27, 2012 6:18:48 AM
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Quoting krejci,
reply 56

Vouching for weirdness of tile placement. The only mechanic behind that is snaking the cities... The tile limit seems to be sort of artificial. To me the more natural way how to balance stuff is to adjust the costs. So you can build everything, but it will tak long and you wont be able to train units in between. Btw. having one common queue for both buildings and units is yay!

I'm not a fan of tile limits either, but I've come to think it's one of the only ways to balance things and force the player to make decisions. If not, how would you prevent a lvl 5 city with good production from eventually building everything?



Disagree here a lot. While you might feel that it is unrealistic (in a fantasy elemental world doh), it is part of game and gaming. In civs u also build the buildings. In HOMAM you build buildings too. Every spacefaring game - you build buildings. Do you remember MoO3? Quite complex sophisticated and detailed with regards to planet development (and imbalanced and disasterous tactical battles). Since the number of planets was potentially quite large, they developed an interesting governor and one level higher - managment system. So planets were divided into groups like borders, core, industrial, farm etc. You set up the managment and governors do your will. While perhaps "realistic" it was incredibly boring! Because after pressing next turn 100x in a row you realize that you are no longer playing. Why create a complex system and then build AI above it which takes care of everyting?

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Well, seems quite related to previous point. If you make lot of things completely automatic, there is no game. And you still can delay the beacon and start pouting out pioneers or whatever....

I'm not in any way suggesting that building is removed or automated. Just that the busywork is reduced. This is a grand strategy game, not sim city. You shouldn't be placing huts and pubs any more than you should be bothered about steet layout. In civ you build city walls, libraries, hospitals, power plants, and space elevators. That is the scale you should be dealing with in this game as well.


this seems to contradict your second point - why should sovereing care about exact number of farmers...?


Only slightly. Part of it is reducing the number of buildings you are dealing with and reducing the city size on the map. But a large part of it has to do with differentiation. It allows differentiation between a small town and a big city with some of the same buildings, it allows differentiation between rich and poor civilizations, it allows for more differentiation the further you get in the tech tree. And it allows for adapting your strategy, while having buildings determine everything is very static by its very nature. And if nothing else, from an immersion point of view it might help with feeling like you rule a people, rather than a bunch of buildings.

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Reply #62 January 27, 2012 9:04:35 AM
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Quoting Austinvn,
reply 55
Quoting Satrhan, reply 49
And finaly, I'm missing some characteristic buildings that make cities not only specialised, but individualised. For example a military city that has not only an Military Academy, but also the Royal Stables, an Enchanted Forge, and a Temple of Life; making this city Paladin-central, the source of my elite troops, the backbone of my army. Or the overcrowded metropolis that is the scene of a power struggle between the thieves guild and the merchants guild, making this city a good source of cheap troops and interesting events.
This is a bit harder to nail down, but I miss something that makes cities more than just Military city 1, research city 3, gold city 6, etc. I think some rare buildings could help with this, especially if they can interact with other equally rare buildings in interesting ways.

I definitely agree on this part, and it got me thinking - mutually exclusive buildings would go a long way towards making cities feel unique. What if you can have your Temple of Life that allows you to train soldiers with paladinesque healing/smiting abilities, or an Assassin's Guild that allows soldiers with poisons or crit bonuses.. but the paladins and assassins will not tolerate living side by side, so you only get to build one in a given city? And to really make the entire city (not just the units it can train) distinct from others, give the buildings significant economic effects as well - the Temple reduces unrest and increases production, and units stationed in the city heal much faster; the Guild increases unrest but provides a gold income and growth bonus. Now military city #1 is the zealous holy city of paladins, and military city #2 is the seedy metropolis where assassins thrive, you're never going to confuse the two.

I like the idea. How about a “pick a guild” choice when the city turns level 4? There are several guilds to choose from, and each guild has certain effects:

  • It will make 2 unique buildings available in the city, one of which allows unique traits to be added to your units, potentially with city-level requirements
  • It will grant a zero-sum collection of bonus/maluses to the city
  • When the city is attacked, one additional unit of a specific type will be added to the standard bunch of defenders

Examples of guilds: Warriors, Paladins, Mages, Assassins, Monks, Engineers, Merchants, Artists, Warlocks, Thieves.

Examples of the impact of the Paladins Guild on a city:

  • Two unique buildings can be built:
    • Fountain of Heaven: troops in the city heal 3x faster and get a magic resistance bonus when defending, maitainance cost for troops in the city is halved, etc...
    • Temple of Righteousness: units built in the city automatically gain +20 res to death spells, and can be trained to learn
      • Lay Hands ability (city level 5 required): to be used once per combat to heal allied units
      • Evil Hunter: +8 attack and defense against death creatures

  • It lowers research in the city by 10% and increases production by 10%.

  • A unit of paladins with Lay Hands and Evil Hunter is added to the standard defenders in the city

Empires and Kingdoms may have access to slightly different sets of guilds. Even more, different factions may have different bonus/malus to build the buildings of a certain guild. Trade between two cities is improved if they have the same guilds. Each guild has an “enemy guild” so that two cities cannot trade if they have enemy guilds in them. The couples of enemy guilds could be, for example:

Warriors – Assassins

Mages – Monks

Paladins – Warlocks   (these could be Kingdoms’ and Empires’ specific)

Engineers – Artists

Merchants – Thieves

This could give some more unique flavor to cities and to factions as well. What do you think?

Ps: I have not played the beta, only watched some videos, so I apologize upfront for anything out of context here!

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Reply #63 January 27, 2012 9:33:12 AM
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Quoting Cruxador,
reply 58
If snaking goes away we need another way to wall off choke points.

 

This is the only real part of snaking I like. It would be good to see some other mechanic replace this somehow. Most other games let you shut off your area to others, so you can use your ZOC to block choke points.

Anyone have any ideas on a mechanic to replace that?

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Reply #64 January 27, 2012 9:39:07 AM
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I like the guild idea, its well thought out, detailed and different from other ideas presented.

I agree with the other posters that city building as it is needs to be improved. Now I can afford to build everything for every city and every city looks alike. In the LOTR and SW movies each city had a unique look.

Perhaps a city could build improvements linked to Earth OR Fire OR Water or AIR

A sovereign with access to Earth Magic could have an option to build

Great Tree (build one of two options) where the player can build a Tree of Life (Maint +2) or a Tree of Death (Maint +2)

  • Tree of Life (think Avatar) that would tower over the other buildings and open up research options for more Earth Magic / Nature Spells along with giving defending units in the city healing of +3hp per tactical combat round/season OR
  • Tree of Death (Vines) that covers the tactical battleground in vines that reduce the movement of attackers by 1 unless they resist each turn and opens up more research branches for Earth Magic/Nature Spells. This lengthens the time it takes to close with the defenders and exposes them to more archer attacks.

Scorpian Tree Fortifications - scorpians on large trees that shoots arrows at attacking units (i.e. bonus non-moving defensive archer unit). You can build this several times, each one built gives the city an additional defensive non-moving scorpian unit. (Maint +1 per scorpian)

The scorpio was a smaller catapult-type weapon, more of a sniper weapon than a siege engine, being operated by only one man. The scorpio was basically a primitive giant crossbow, a "catapult with bolts", probably first invented by the Greeks, then later adopted and used on a larger scale by the Roman legions. This catapult used a system of torsion springs, making it possible to obtain very great power and thus a high speed of ejection for the bolts.

Forest Wall - that triggers a special tactical map for defenders of this city (Maint +1). Forest wall funnels the attackers into a narrow access point and exposes them to attack from several defending units. (Maint +1) Forest wall sections can be destroyed by fire or damage.

Ranger School -  Allows a trait that allows units to enter tactical combat forest tiles (not allowed to normal units) where they receive a +10 bonus to dodge. (Maint +1)

Earth Academy - Opens research branches for new earth spells. (Maint +1). If razed you lose access to these research branches and any uncompleted research investment in these branches.

A sovereign with access to Water Magic might have an option to build:

Dam (if adjacent to a river) - The dam can be opened in combat to flood the battlefield giving access to a new tactical map with impassible water covered sections that funnel attackers into a choke point. (It takes 4 seasons to recharge a dam for use again) (Maint +2, and it generates +3GP & -10% unrest per turn if charged (i.e. not opened and not recharging).

Moat - On the tactical map attackers must cross a moat to reach the defenders. The moat reduces their movement by 1, giving the defenders an extra turn or two to organize their defenses. Units in Plate cannot cross the moat. (Maint +1)

Water Academy - Opens research branches for new water spells (Maint +1)

Elemental Pool - Summons a Guardian Water Elemental if the city is attacked

Canals - A city next to a water source; river or ocean city is surrounded by canals. This changes the tactical map to show canals (water barriers) and bridges that limit the access routes of any attacker. Attackers in Metal Armor (chain and plate) cannot move accross the water barriers but they can cross the bridges. (Main +2)

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Reply #65 January 27, 2012 9:47:27 AM
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Quoting Vallu751,
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I have to agree with Lord Xia on this one. We all saw what 'Design by comittee' did to WoM. The caravan system for example. It sounded like such a great idea before we got to see it in practise.

 

I would argue that quite a large bit of what was suggested (and there were some amazing suggestions) was NOT implemented into WOM.

I would even go so far as to say that WOM may have been better if it had.

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Reply #66 January 27, 2012 11:40:23 AM
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Some good ideas here.  I have to say that with this last update (although I can't put my finger on why) I finally have that just-one-more-turn feel!  This will become even better (hopefully) with the development of more ways for a city to specialize.  Great Beta so far!!

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Reply #67 January 27, 2012 12:55:38 PM
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Not 1 hour after I posted this I got into the beta.Thanks Stardock.

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Reply #68 January 27, 2012 2:50:39 PM
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another weekend at work... because I don't have internet at home... Stardock makes me a workaholic... 

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Reply #69 January 27, 2012 3:15:06 PM
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Quoting Das123,
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Would be good to know what you'll be looking at. Just so we can either add some early ideas or stop spamming the things we don't like (Caravans etc).

What's wrong with Caravans? I personally like them except we need better way of keeping track of them

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Reply #70 January 27, 2012 3:29:43 PM
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I don't like the caravans and I really hate the road system. I want roads. Lots more roads.

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Reply #71 January 27, 2012 4:18:08 PM
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Quoting Bellack,
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Quoting Das123, reply 6Would be good to know what you'll be looking at. Just so we can either add some early ideas or stop spamming the things we don't like (Caravans etc).


What's wrong with Caravans? I personally like them except we need better way of keeping track of them

I don't want to keep track of them. Don't like the micro for something that should just be established and have caravans respawn slowly after they die (just my opinion).

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Reply #72 January 27, 2012 5:24:42 PM
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Love Brad's comments about getting rid of manual placement of improvements, and making cities more unique.  As a builder, those two things will make me very happy!

 

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Reply #73 January 27, 2012 10:03:18 PM
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Quoting Satrhan,
reply 49

Quoting Frogboy, reply 36
Certainly feel free to discuss what you don't like about it.  


Alright then. First off, I agree with you on improvement placement. It just leads to a lot of weirdness, snaking being the worst offender. Personally I would like to see one-tile cities or one-tile-per-level cities with building handled in the city management screen. But that being a bit of a long shot, I'd settle for some hard limits on how many tiles a city can occupy. This tile limit could increase with leveling. This will force you to make some choices in what you build. I'd also limit building to just the tiles around the city hub. Resources could be included in the city, but only if you build the hub right next to it. This should count towards the tile limit, making including it a choice with some drawbacks as well.

Second, the scale of what you're building is off (I'm not talking about graphics). Being the sovereign, you shouldn't be involved in mundane tasks like placing gardens, granaries, workshops, and pubs. Like you said, you should be making decisions about the role of a city (military, research, production, etc). Those are large scale decisions, and the corresponding buildings should be large, requiring a significant investment of time and materials. Building a fortress for instance should be a lengthy and costly undertaking.

Third, there are a lot of no-brainer buildings. Take the Beacon of Hope for instance. The only decision about it is when to build it, first or after a few other buildings. Since you'll always build it in your capital anyway, why not include it in it automatically? (In WoM the capital could have different properties than normal cities, so it shouldn't be hard to do). But there are more such buildings. A lot of them have to do with food and production. Like the workshop, or the +1 grain or +x food per grain buildings. They are almost always a good idea to build, only decision again being when to build it. Just adding more (maintenance) costs to them wouldn't make them more interesting.

One way to address the previous two points could be the re-introduction of the farmers/craftsmen/peasants/malcontents division. (Any comment on why that system didn't make it into the game, it sounded good?) I've made a more in depth post about it here https://forums.elementalgame.com/415796 . I think this system could add a lot, through both giving you more control over the city, and removing the need for a lot of utility buildings.

And finaly, I'm missing some characteristic buildings that make cities not only specialised, but individualised. For example a military city that has not only an Military Academy, but also the Royal Stables, an Enchanted Forge, and a Temple of Life; making this city Paladin-central, the source of my elite troops, the backbone of my army. Or the overcrowded metropolis that is the scene of a power struggle between the thieves guild and the merchants guild, making this city a good source of cheap troops and interesting events.
This is a bit harder to nail down, but I miss something that makes cities more than just Military city 1, research city 3, gold city 6, etc. I think some rare buildings could help with this, especially if they can interact with other equally rare buildings in interesting ways.

 

Hey! Now this is what everyone wanted to hear from you! Nice ideas! I think most of those people giving you grief would probably agree with you, too.

 

I really like your idea of types of buildings and resources combining to define the type of city, as well as the units available there. A paladin city sounds cool! I also agree that limiting the number of tiles per city level, while at the same time making the buildings have a lot more polarizing effects would indeed make building choices much more interesting and important.

Brad: I agree that there are some buildings throughout the tech tree that essentially give the same materials/grains/research boosts. If there were tile limits, making these buildings upgrade to larger/more advanced versions of themselves might be a good way to limit the snaking and sprawl, as well as the stress of placing buildings, while granting the evolving increase of potential for these cities to produce the various resources.

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Reply #74 January 27, 2012 10:09:04 PM
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Quoting Edwin99,
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I like the guild idea, its well thought out, detailed and different from other ideas presented.

I agree with the other posters that city building as it is needs to be improved. Now I can afford to build everything for every city and every city looks alike. In the LOTR and SW movies each city had a unique look.

Perhaps a city could build improvements linked to Earth OR Fire OR Water or AIR...

A sovereign with access to Earth Magic could have an option to build

Great Tree (for example)

Nice stuff! If there were special buildings available to sovereign's magic schools, race, faction, as well as quest-granted, and city level-up (specialization and randomness), that would be a lot of potential combinations, making replayability and strategy skyrocket.

I think we're on to something here!

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Reply #75 January 28, 2012 12:33:36 AM
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Also, perhaps in an expansion, PLEASE PLEASE let us craft or imbue, choose an icon for and NAME our equipment/weapons/armor !!! I loved the way MoM allowed you to construct magical weapons and give them meaninful names, and I would LOVE a the ability to do this in FE (perhaps through a spell, an ability or a forge building)...

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