Replay: Erb + UB vs Sed + Reg

nature reckoning abuse big time, and to top it all, teamate got cur 1, 2 instead of items and fed them few times so yeah.. gg          i bet u were waiting for a long time to post a game when i lost against ur team

Dont recommend watchin it, pretty average game (unless u have nothing better to do )

Actually, not really. The world does not revolve around you, you know (: There were exactly two reasons to post that: (1) the crazy, almost hopeless, matchup; (2) basically, you've forced me to post it by accusing me of cheating. So here you go.

And no, it's not average. Average games with that matchup have a predictable result. Besides, you claim I cheat during this match -- and it's always interesting to see, isn't it?

theres no cheat for this game so thats not wat i meant . abusing bugs are pretty lame tho. Dont know why you say hopeless matchup when all you play is sedna and dark is best reg. Now that i think about it we had no chance of winning since my teammate had like 300 games.

" accusing me of cheating" lol here we go again... u shud try and get me banned for this

I play with your teammate quite regularly. He's not a noob, and he's not new to this game. So cut the crap.

Now you are backpedaling, but if I recall right, you wanted to report me for some mythical bug abuse. I didn't do anything, except getting NR, which I always do. It proc'ed exactly as it should, which should be obvious when you watch the replay. So I have no idea what bug abuse you are talking about.

I didnt say he was noob. Im saying the game was very much in ur favor. And we both know you never play hopeless games so why bother even suggesting it. ur one of the biggest "stackers" out there.

lol

doggu is lovin it. good to know 

I watched it, everyone played well except for dontcryman.

Wrong build
Wrong early itemization
Not too good on early mana management

My opinions on Dontcryman's main mistakes
1) Should have gone coven 1 1st instead of mist, this is the choice for either Reg or Sedna, and he was facing both.
6 crawlers are good for taking out monks and harassing DGs with not so great AA vs multiple targets.

2) Should have gone Unbreakable + Scaled Helm 1st, that extra 600 life points always makes a big difference in overpowering the less beefy DGs in lane.

3) Not calculating his mana, couple of times he swarmed, only to be out of mana which did nothing but put himself in danger.

4) Not thinking ahead vs Dark Crimson Vial.... got to think your enemy has 33% more life then they really do, alot of times he got into confrontations that looked like he was winning, only to have the tables turned.

I know it easy to be critical in hindsight (and I am by no means a godlike player when it comes to mistakes that are easily avoided in hindsight) but you can't be losing in lane to Reg like that unless you are doing something wrong, and if he followed the above advice it would have made a difference. I say these things not to be mean, but to give some ideas on what I think would make dontcry a better player when facing this situation again.

As for things that were out of normal interesting in this game

1) LOL early dark crimson vial on Reg was a pretty neat trick to run UB out of mana early. (but is a bad idea in the big picture with reg's lower then normal late game life)
2) Reg's build was one of my old favorites (1 snipe/range/mines) compared to the gold standard. (Snipe/Mine/WoH)

Things that you should understand in game and apply to most other games
OMG-IN1s itemization/build synergy vs UB
InnerGrace1 + Boots of Speed = 6.9 speed
UB is not going to get that high until later (6.3 base, +.6 with 3 points in Inner Beast)
This puts sednas life potential down, but because it is vs a DOT type of damage, she can run, heal up and return to battle after taking heavy damage, making the enemy UB waste mana and eventually have to yield the lane.

vial wasnt a suprise for me dark always gets it she loves to trap people and the not so experienced players often fall for it.. sed was just unkillable maybe if i had time to level without loosing towers and portals we cud have had a chance....those early deaths by ereb really did us in.  i did choose random and i think if i got a general instead of ub it wud have much different. (vs sed on normal towers minion plays has the best chance)

Watched the replay again in fast motion until the 9 minute mark.

Thinking in hindsight, Sedna had monks without minion life still when you had spit III.

In this situation you can gain a "time" advantage by spitting on the monk instead of Sedna, killing it, and then doing it again if she recasts... giving you a nice time advantage before she can recast her monk again. You should be able to overpower her in this situation when she does the Inner grace + Boots of Speed decision.

Sedna has 4000 life at this point, so heal wind monk is giving her +600 life every 10 seconds, ontop of her +39 life / second, and heal skill. (so basically that monk + regen completely mitigates spit, so might as well spit on the monk and try and put sedna in a no monk position for 30+ seconds)

Other then that, I can't think of any tactic to really improve your chances at that point, Heal Sedna is a real C**t to UB.

Edit: I didn't notice this until looking closer at your build.

Post-Mortem: There is a bug without using Uberfix. Units killed by the post mortem explosion do not credit you for the kill, so you lose gold from unit bounty in this situation.

more laughing at the term "great" visca...

more laughing at the term "great" visca...

Let's say you appreciate the irony.

I didnt say he was noob. Im saying the game was very much in ur favor. And we both know you never play hopeless games so why bother even suggesting it. ur one of the biggest "stackers" out there.

Well, whoever says a no-noob UB+Erb vs Reg+Sed is stacked for the latter should see a psychiatrist ASAP. You should have carried your team through with the UB, even if your teammate were horrible (which he weren't), instead of being ridiculous and accusing me of cheating.

(vs sed on normal towers minion plays has the best chance)

Yeah, I know for some people UB is not strong enough, and they really have to play minion Oak to win. There are exactly three matchups my Sed struggles against: Rook (with the exception of speed Rooks); cheap minion Oak; cheap minion QoT. However, only noobs or idiots play the latter two, so I don't consider it a real possibility in a skilled game.

Oh, and thank you for the review (that doesn't mention "cheats"), LO.

I didn't watch this, but I can easily appreciate winning a game with a silly team combo.  We've all done it before and its certainly fun.  That said, let me tell you how far I got through this post before I realized this would just be someone cocking up over and over....

Yup - 1st sentence told me all I needed to know.  1- reg/sed = this is a post likely making fun of someone.  2 - I don't recognize dontcryman's name, so I immediately think its someone that dropped visca's chances of winning by about 80%.  If I did watch it, I assume I'd experience several moments saying "why the fug did he do that?"  Anyway, glad you had a fun game

You might just want to start a single thread covering your fav games + commentary and keep it running.  Side note - I'd wager the only real chance of someone getting their Demigod account banned (eg no online play for you) would be if I VERY strongly endorsed it.  And I only strongly endorse bans if I've personally witnessed the crap behavior.... and as I'm not playing anymore, well... anyway, that said, its always best to be a good sport at least; especially considering that most of us that jibber jabber on the forums know each other from frequent games, etc. 

Random side note - just looked at the numbers... looks like our surge from steam has already tapered off a bit. 

edit - other blah blah note - my jibber jabber about bans was based on someone's comment in the thread.

I'm all for Ryu light foot sweeps cheese in original Street fighter 2, and taking advantage of the Intimidator long range bug in Total Annihilation by targeting the ground right infront of you... call me biased, but these things fo take a certain amount of skill to pull off...

Much like the Sedna Nature's Rec Proc -> Pounce -> Nature's Rec proc bug, cheese that you think does not exist if your timing is right.

@Pacov the Objective: 1- reg/sed = this is a post likely making fun of someone.

And that someone deserved it 100%: (1) for being a boastful prick obsessed with % (Darkli has 39, he has 66); (2) for being a racist; (3) for accusing us of cheating.

Ah, and regarding dontcrymam, players have a curious tendency to get better over one's periods of absence (: I've seen him performing admirably as a Reg, for example.

Regarding that replays thread: that's a good suggestion. I've never thought I'd post so many of them, in the first place, so...

Regarding the steam revival: well, we have some newish regulars now and a lot of old-timers are back, so we are in a better situation than, say, a year ago.

@LO: Much like the Sedna Nature's Rec Proc -> Pounce -> Nature's Rec proc bug, cheese that you think does not exist if your timing is right. 

Even so, I did not do anything of the sort. I don't think NR triggered more than usual even on single occasion this game.

Dunno how great i am but im pretty sure im better then u 2.

This whole thing is bullshit. First of i wasnt talking about the combo i was talking about the players. and ye sedna is better on normal towers then ub 2v2 especially with a teammate whos getting all the upgrades. 2. carry my team? so u suggesting i shud have won the match alone against good players. that i cannot do. (yet) 3.Stop saying "accusing me of cheating " you are pathetic. noone accused of you anything stop being a martyr. Last thing: i do suck with ub he is one of my weakest dg ...

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obsessed with % u kidding ur self. im not the one whos leaving 50 % of the lobbies cose he feels like his team is weaker.. ye i did care about % but that was when i was still a newbie and needed good % to join the better games. i did dc a game against dark which u love to refer to but that was more then half a year ago. and when i say im better then u thats not boasting. thats the truth. 2.That attack wasnt towards your race it was an attack only on you alone. stop being a martyr. 3. you were the only one accused for abusing nr.  One last thing about my % : since new players came via steam i did play many of them, i actually tried to teach them things and giving them tips. i even conceded games to give them better % . true story.  have u or any other "old players" tried to do that. or just been noob bashing? (doggu)

and ye sedna is better on normal towers then ub 2v2

Utter crap. Not only isn't she better, she's also not unkillable. A skilled UB can kill her by timing the interrupt precisely after level 5 (: She's slightly stronger 1-5, if the UB doesn't have a monk, though, but that has nothing to do with normal/strong towers. BTW, strong towers work in Sed's favor, not the other way round.

high towers are always in ub`s favor..

high towers are always in ub`s favor..

Not in this case. The super-typical scenario for UB vs Sed in a lane is: a UB is chasing a Sed into the towers, Sed turns around and defends under the tower(s). Now, a tower that does 200 dmg per hit is much less impressive than the one that does 400 dmg per hit.

sed can easily beat ub 1v1 early game

Learn to read.

She's slightly stronger 1-5, if the UB doesn't have a monk, though, but that has nothing to do with normal/strong towers. 

in pretty much every case!

I will report you for this reply!