This explanation works for me and would have worked in the beginning too, it strikes me as just too easy though, too all inclusive of everything that strangely doesn’t capitulate to some biblical, christian or religious dogma. Under christian rules of engagement, there is only one absolute and that is unquestionable. When you remove even common sense from the discussion like this, well anything is possible or believable. If you want to believe that religion doesn’t require the theist as its means, who am I to argue, but you have to search far and wide to find otherwise … or you only review christian reference material, whatever. Whenever (not often) I look up religion, I always find some positive structure supportive of one or more deities and always administered by theists, soundly founded or not, not negative claims to the contrary. Don’t know that much about Buddhists other than they are not such a nuisance as others of faith, they don’t provide suicide bombers and they have not involved themselves with this kind of foolishness here on JU. Anyway, allowing practitioners to ‘understand the laws of the universe’ should not be confused with ’there is another way of looking at things’ or ‘there is a natural explanation for all things’. The only rule of thumb I know that applies to religious dogma is “their way or the highway, no exceptions”. It just seems natural that the lower the level of generic education, the easier it is to maintain an unfounded fabrication (IMO) as the only explanation for everything past, present and future. Christians can play with time dilation, time distortion or any other time screwification they want, but if they are christian and their faith is gleaned from one bible or another, then they have to be a believer of a short lived earth. And this brings me back to scientific inquiry and the freedom to partake that you spoke about, as an option of no actual practical use to the theist.

PS - Post 24 had nothing to do with you per say as I have other people to communicate with too. But we both know there is little if anything I can say or post on this silly topic that you will not find some way or another to be offended by it.

Our sciences are no more interested in any god view than any of the gods seem interested in our sciences. No reason why there couldn’t be some collaboration and only one side is responsible for the lack of it. What the sciences do indirectly prove though is that a literal interpretation of the bible(s) cannot be true and the only conclusion (???) one can draw from this is that any religious faith that is based solely on the bible(s) literal truth has to be in err too. This clip is my humorous way to demonstrate that monotheism is doomed by geography alone … and everyone who thinks they are the only ones being persecuted or only their faith being questioned are just fooling themselves. This battle should be between competing theologies if at all, not everyone else around the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4mSDD4Wd8

 

RoFL, that was funny as all hell,  
ooops, I said "hell", the old indoctrinations just keep on popin' out. 

Try a little philosophy from a canadain, not near as funny though

 

The end reminded me of ...

"Just keep swimmin'..., just keep swimmin'..." 

Is Tess warming up to my side of the argument?  I did not see any genuine qualms written there about Buddhism, nontheist religion.

Ok guys understand this,  if you think I'm going to just sit through, watch and analyze all ridiculous long youtube vids, especially when they run in excess of 20 minutes, it's not gunna happen.  My posts have way too many walls of text already.  Do you honestly expect me to spend the time and energy to go over all those points for you?  Because it's not gunna happen, period.  Nor should anyone else. 

Cruel and unusual punishment!

It's been a while, but how long is a catholic mass?
...Cruel and unusual punishment!

How long is American Idol?
...Cruel and unusual punishment!

Are you implying that this is your post? What is the point of this statement? Or are you just finding ways of repeating yourself.

 

I have 'faith' (oh crud, again) that BT has more of an attention span beyond a sound byte or headline.

 

EDIT:

"Just keep swimmin'..., just keep swimmin'..." 

Your video is not the only one posted here in the thread Myfist0.  It's just the longest so far.

My point was it's relatively easy to run a search on youtube for a specific video that you remember and type the URL into JoeUser compared to having to sit through, deconstruct, analyze, try to form an objective opinion and then write out a response summarizing everything including any additional comments with it.

 

Catholic Mass, American Idol?  Funny, I've never heard those two mentioned together before.  All I can tell you is if it doesn't work out for you then change religions or it's time to switch your girlfriend up.  Well maybe they'll sing that song on American Idol one day.  "Just keep swimmin'..., just keep swimmin'..."

Hi Myfist0, good clip. This guy must have some NYC blood in his system (damn evolution) if his quick-time-speak is any judge hahaha. My best guess though is that if proof is of no interest to people, then philosophy other than their own will be even less meaningful to them??? American Idol … catholic mass … cruel and unusual punishment to be sure. Most who are captivated with these kinds of things have already been mentally re-mushified and are just unreachable, probably because their ‘receiver’ is faulty.

Is it possible that you Captain are coming around to my way of thinking? Personally (according to you anyway), I have already changed 'religions' (hahaha) and do not foresee another upgrade in the cards. And besides, any other religion would change nothing, just another atheistic endeavor hell bent on destroying your personal beliefs. Why you feel inclined to respond here at all surprises me. I guess it just verifies that you actually believe what you are saying, always a plus in my opinion. This may come as a shock to you Captain, but I don't expect your sensibilities were of much concern in the creation of this comical post. However, there is a little triangular button (did you read the disclaimer) that must need be pushed (after which you mystically agree) to suffer the pangs and arrows of such affronts like a whole minute and 40 seconds of time abuse, what could be more distracting, dramatic or devastating, go figure? So far, all you have done here is voice your biased opinions, but you have failed to back up said opinions with anything besides intimations lacking substance. Your god may practice his trade undetectable and unobserved, but surely something so mundanely human as “The Religion of Atheism” should provide for volumes of support, so one would think?

American Idol is (officially) entertainment and Catholic mass is not.  If you want to combine both then go to a megachurch.  But yes I'll agree when you're young a Catholic mass can be cruel and unusual punishment, rhetorically speaking.

That response was meant for everyone not just Myfist0.  Myfist0 only posted one vid.

We (theists) have been called out by Boobztwo.  First we get ridiculed for not responding and now also when we do, go figure.  My argument?  My argument has been to logically break down that Atheism is a religion or at the very least has religious elements in it if it is not.  This is not the first thread to discuss it and probably won't be the last.

Well, like my friend Stefan likes to state, Not everyone will want to take the blue pill and free themselves from their enslavement so you may as well move on hence my comment "just keep swimmin'..."

That video was not directed at you specifically Rouge. I thought that since BT rather liked my linking Noam Chomsky, she might like another Anarco Philosopher. I did pick a short one, most shows are well over an hour.

Stefan Molyneux Dissects an Article Critical of Atheism 36:36

Edit:

My ship must have exited on the wrong ephemeral plain again. The the religious uh'ummms are in the philosophy thread where philosophy is about as far from religion as you can get because you need rational thought. And the philosophers, atheists and agnostics are in the religious thread.

There is a glitch in the matrix, take advantage while you can, it will be reset soon.

Oh my, all of them ... that is going to require ... a lot of time, I can see why she left things up to me when she departed JU, oh well, hope I can fill her spiked heels. What if I just deal with one theist at a time for the moment anyway? If the above is your idea of "logic to break down atheism" then there is little to be concerned over, as if. Take the ‘blue’ pill or at least find out something about the subject first. Then you could stop pretending there is something new (from the theist perspective) in this age old silly argument. Personally I do a lot of sifting through online christian reference material … how else am I to try and comprehend the current christian arguments and the plethora of new classifications they have for, well everyone. It just seems that whenever I chat with another rational person, another non believer anyway, I more often than not find we are in agreement and are both dumbfounded with religious (any) dogma. I assume this might be your problem too; at least this could afford you some time to first try and understand what it is you are so hell bent on ‘braking down’, before you begin. Have a beer and chill a bit, we are after all just human.

Just for SAG's, did you know that historians including Lucien Febvre agree atheism in its modern sense did not even exist before the end of the seventeenth century. About the time christianity crashed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_atheism

PS – Stop whining, it is unbecoming.

I missed the Stefan Molyneux reference, some of the best rational explanations I have seen of late. I downloaded some books … when time permits.

If you dig deep enough you can find much of what you are looking for … and sometimes even what you expect to find. Well who do you think should get the “Big Head” award for their blatant arrogance, the nonbeliever or the believer … Roll the film and see.

Arrogant atheists and not collecting stamps:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJzMAMXLhGM&feature=fvsr

 

What the frack? She has taken hiatus before, is she gone?

 

Iyee, between that and your avatar, you are putting some colour into an old grey aliens face 

 

ROFL at the stamp collectors. Another good video, thanks. 

Sorry I didn't intend for things to turn out this way, hahaha, all is well ... Yea, well the Captain and I mentioned it somewhere ... I thought it was cute.

PS - Humm, I will drop you a couple of lines.

I found a series on YouTube that discusses the atheist and what theists call 'atheistic humanism' and why atheists are unable to capitulate to unproven gods humm ... that would be all of them. It is called "Discovering Religion" a ploy to get theists to watch the first minute or two hahaha. Why should they be interested in reality??? There are 22 clips in all or an all in one if you like (~5 hours). These clips simply give a realistic view to this nonsense over 'the religion of atheism'. Let me know if I should continue this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLGb1uOSHQ

The wopper can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQdkt_JkJQQ

There is a difference between having an actual discussion and just (lazily) machine gunning video content out so the other party is bogged down going trough all of it.  I will give you this Tess, I have had similar problems with ministers of other denominations that I won't name here.  It's a cheap verbal pseudo-bullying tactic when to be used in a public forum.  Limiting the others ability to get a word in so to speak.  That's not a discussion. There is a line that should not be crossed.

A side note about blatantly snarky comments, people that do that make themselves look ugly.

Stop whining it is still unbecoming. If you actually have some wisdom to impart do so, but if you are waiting for me to 'LET' you say your peace, well you had better pack a lunch or three for your wait. Again, if the above is your idea of "logic to break down atheism" then there is little to be concerned over, as if. But if you take a joke like this OP and you still decide “to sit through, deconstruct, analyze, try to form an objective opinion and then write out a response summarizing everything including any additional comments with it” is not my problem but more power to you. When I look for arguments against the bible, I look up likeminded people … but if I want to try and understand the theist’s perspective, I just ask them. I don’t tell Christians what the ‘religion of christianity’ is simply because it is not my place to do so and because I am prejudiced due to my personal understanding of life. There is no such thing as the ‘religion of atheism’ and all you have to do to know this is to Google the term. If ugly is the worst I am forced to deal with here (as if) ... well I have been called a lot worse and still managed to survive. If you cannot even understand that this whole post was nothing but a jibe at the 'religion of atheism' in the first place, and you still have not picked up on this FACT by now ... you never will because you just do not listen. So anyway, are you an ordained minister too and if so what persuasion?

Well here is the second verse ... much like the first ... Discovering Religion

On second thought, I think this should be posted on the “Flock of Dodo’s” post ( https://forums.joeuser.com/414202/page/4/#3141359 )

Since it is already here well what the heck so just ignore it if it is to intense.

That statement went way beyond this thread.  I was pointing to JoeUser as a whole itself.  However this specific thread is focused on the Religion of Atheism and I'm trying to deliver while still keeping it on topic within those respectable confines, tricky.  Keep in mind I was invited here by the OP, I just wish I would have answered her invitation early.

 

I was not referring to the OP.  I was referring to your actions along with, to a tiny extent, Myfist0 and the perceived cheesiness of voicing your p.o.v through not by writing your own words but linking time consuming videos (at least time consuming for me) instead.  I've already voiced my concerns, there's no point in discussing it anymore.  If you interpret that as whining, well whining implies that I demand you change accordingly.  I previously stated I won't be going through the motions because of all the extra unnecessary work involved.  That's completely in my sphere.  I only did it to explain any future actions or inaction and voice my opinion on the matter.

 

It was an Atheist that made this thread.  Scroll up to the top of the page and see for yourself.  No Christian is going to argue with you whether Christianity is a religion or not so that point is moot.

 

  Heh, no.  However, I have explored quite a number of different religions while soul searching and that includes various Christian sects.

 

 

 

Whoa! Stop the music.  Seriously, is this an troll attempt to try to get me banned?  I did not mean to call you ugly any more than you call me whiny.  I made a blanket statement on people's worded actions being done in snarky ways here and how it makes them look online.  Why?  Because it's so prevalent only on Joeuser.  Surely you've noticed it by now?  If I came off as calling you ugly I apologize and ask your forgiveness.

I was interested to see where Canada came in on that pole for creationism, only to find they didn't even ask us. 
Checked that Young Earth vid 3 times.

@RougeCaptain
Interested in where you get the term "atheist theocracy"? I have absolutely no idea how you manage to put those 2 terms together. Let me try that.
The flat sphere was floating on the ground in a wet desert.

Atheist 

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism 

 

 

I guess I am absolutely correct.
Ohh,  I like this new language,  

Why is it just about you I wonder? I took no offense as I said I have a thick hide. I wrote this article (in another persona/life) so I don’t need any advice as to why it was written. If you would scroll up to the top and read, you would understand this joke too. I am an old atheist so take this for what it is worth: I have no idea whatsoever what ‘the religion of atheism’ is let alone how to explain it … sort of like you except I am completely in the dark. I do not believe in any deity, nothing more and nothing less, period. Enough said. Try just saying what you want to and leave my thoughts and actions to me. I did too mean whiney though, simply because I consider it whining when someone spends so much of their time telling others what to do with their time and why, sorry.

I understand the difference between right and wrong because it is innate and I don’t need a book written by ‘cavemen’ to spell it out for me. I don’t need an invisible and impotent deity who feels narcissistic enough to threaten all with hell every time they turn around or because they won’t accept his only book as anything but what it is … a work of fiction. If they knew (and they did) the earth was round they shouldn’t have told us about the flat one (we do know why they went flat). If they knew engineering they would have compiled at least semi-workable fables. If they knew the sciences, they wouldn’t have written so much about things that violates them at every turn. If they knew anything factual from their past, they ‘forgot’ them and opted for magic instead. And if they actually knew what a god was, well they wouldn’t have murdered him now would they? How do you murder a god indeed … red kryptonite or worse I expect?

 

Is there some reason why this mythical 'Religion of Atheism' defies a simple definition as can be done for all the other religions ... especially from the people who espouse its existence all of whom believe in magic and mysticism, go figure? As an atheist, I have a vested interest in uncovering this elusive organization.

At some point a definition of 'religion' is necessary if for no other reason than to prevent people from using slight-of-word to invent ridiculous personal definitions to suit their agendas usually I guess because they are insecure in their own beliefs and need something they consider germane to argue against. I have found that this is just a survival trait used when people become so engrossed with their beliefs that they are blinded to reality itself and can no longer present an argument in any light besides their chosen religion and always invoking their ridiculously obscure and obsolete deities’. Ask yourself why we have no legal arguments for the gods … if god’s word is the only truth? The only way this nonsense could become a devastating reality would be the establishment of a governing theocracy.  Then it would be (1) by god’s will (1a) guilty or (1b) not guilty, which is just another way of stating ‘as the Church desires’. I wouldn’t want to be a homosexual or an atheist (eek) for those pleasant god loving times for sure. God is still the silent partner here and always has been but he gets spoken for by an awful lot of people who should know better by now.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPvfpaKuW4&feature=plcp

 

I was happily surprised with this clip and well shucks, I just needed a boost for my atheistic “theology” to bolster my “Religion of Atheism” … hahaha, sorry, hahaha!!! If you believe in the bible, don't bother to watch.

The Fine Tuning Argument Debunked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-UIfkcgPY&feature=related