How this game got so screw?

I agree with you that the items aren't really well balanced and that only a couple of them are really useful. That might have been done better to add more variation to the game.

I don't agree with you on the balancing of the Demigods (although UB is overpowered mainly due to Acclimatisation). The developers even stated that the game was never supposed to be like you thought (mainly another Dota-Clone). Every single Demigod was supposed to feel awesome and overpowered not just being stick to one role.

I personally don't like MMOs, tried LoL, didn't like it and come from games likes Diablo 2 (no class mechanic lilke in MMOs here either). I don't want to go "Uh I really like this char, but I don't like having to play support all the time". A full damage queen can be as viable as a full support queen and fit different players playstyle (that said there are different play styles depending on the Demigod you choose but they do not follow the standard tank/dps/carry/support model).

Once nice thing again is that you do not have to have a team consisting out of DPS/Tank/Support (I personally hate these restriction to rules and am always happy if developers choose not to implement them) but would just have to think about having a general for the monks. You're not looking at choosing the role but looking at chosing the best Demigods for the matchup as different Demigods (Reg in the enemy team? Choose DA as the counter to reg) are stronger against others (although a Beast/Rook/Oak (Sedna) combo is really hard to counter). If you don't like it fine, but the reason you're complaining about this game is the reason I think it's so much better than LoL (from my perspective). In the end it's better to have different games in a genre instead of different looking copies of one game.

Another thing is the tactics. This game is slower than the others (in high level games you sometimes won't even see more than 2-3 kills). Tactics here revolve more around when to buy specific items (not necessarily what items to buy), when to buy cit upgrades, when to use consumables (especially teleports and sigils), when to gank, when to retreat. Nowadays the game isnt that much about choosing items and skills but more about choosing a tactic that nets you a benefit over the other team.

Oh, and it looks just so much better than it's competitors  

You are way too emotional (: Even if one presents things the way you choose to (and your analysis must be taken with a grain of salt, to say the least), these are not unequivocally bad points. Most MOBAs aren't diverse at all as far as competitive builds are considered, so what did you expect, exactly, I wonder?

You should encourage people to download the mod package, and enable the balance mod and moba mod.

For certain demigod has problems in these area

1) Cit upgrade are mostly worthless and the meta game does not play like it was designed to
2) Most items are bad compared to the few life/mana items
3) Skill damage and life stacking is pretty much the only way to play any build

Of course, Demigod gets more fun when you play equally skilled players who know how to play the game properly. It is less fun when you deviate from the formula, because disaster usually follows.

u make me laugh.. usually when u start playing a game u try to find out yourself which items and builds are best and u will stick to them.. youre bad if u skipped that part. also its not about what items u get but much rather about how u actually play

Yeah I have to say I agree with this. Whilst dg has its flaws in the areas you pointed out it will certainly come down to player skill. Yes in games like LoL which has 10+million player base item balance is better but I still see most people running around with stock standard builds on most characters that they have cloned. Even in a pro game I recently watched the commentators were basically creaming their pants for like 5 minutes because someoene went Jax/revive solo mid from CLG. I mean it's just a fact of like with mobas that the builds are gonna be similar in terms of what works.

As far as DG is concerned....

There is also some variance for dg in favor item (yes they aren't all balanced) but even in the vanilla game blood, bots, hw, staff of renewal, vial, anklet and cloak are all commonly used in high level games. Also, while some of the cit upgrades are not commonly used it does add another dimension to the game, e.g. do we go for a quick curr2? Also, although cata is almost exclusively played - at least there are other maps that look damn good.

Look I am sorry you spent your ice cream money and are a little let down but you are being a bit too harsh on the game for the experience level that you have. I would say it takes at least 200-500 games to really get a clue of the meta game etc depending on your chromosome count.

fail.

You guys get so defensive about something. It's incredible. You CAN'T deny that EVERY SINGLE HERO uses the same item build. It's retard that all heros use the same items since the other items are not worth buying.

Yeah I spent my icecream money on the game, it's awesome, and I wanted to support, rather than playing a pirated on, but now i kind fell that I regreat it, because this game have NO support at all, except for the communit. But sadly it's NOT enoght, because you can make everybody use uberfix. If you try to host a game with uberfix, no one will join, so you are stuck with no one to play. If the mod came with the game, ok, thats fine, but the devs can't even do that. They suck balls apparently. And I'm sorry if my language hurts you, you are an hipocrite that never say things like that, i know.

Not really defensive, they just know all of this, and have revisited it many times over the years.

I think you'll find once you stick with the game a bit longer the fun is in the gameplay, despite the build/itemization/meta problems. You'll find there are many fine nuances in the game as it is,

Also, all of the tournament games have used uberfix, because once people start seeing some of the nastier bug exploits, it's more fun to play with them fixed.

I dunno what else to say other then stick around and play a couple hundred games.

The items arent that important man, i could beat you without any items so that should tell you something. In high level play tho its obvious that everyone gets the best items for their build. And you probably dont know but theres  a build called minion build and they use tottally different items so there u go

I know that beucase I alrdy did one with Oak, made my minions push towers by it self delivering tons of dmg. Ok there's ONE different item build. Nice.

I would like to see you try to beat me without items. I don't care who you are, but if you call high lvl play tp ganks, stell half transformed flags, mass hp, armor and mana items plus hp potions+tp+sigil, I'm sorry, but I don't think it's high lvl play. The only kind of high lvl play that I can see on this game, is about communication with people that you know, and do things syncronized, and any other kind of teamplay, which you will not be able to prove on a 1x game, even if you beat me. So suck it.

Don't try to find an excuse for how screw up the item system of this game is. I understand the devs wanting this game to have extremelty strong heros, but making dps builds shit is NOT the way to go. The dps builds NEED a buff, and the the heroes should have something to resist skill dmg. This would solve all problems, like they be naturaly resistant to 25% skill dmg.

Of course, the limitation on HP would make wonders, obligating the player to get other items besides mass hp. If the limitation is not good, nerf the hp items or make they cost more, but to make it a good change, the resistance to skill should be implemented, since it deals tons of dmg, and no one wants to get one fireball + pounce + bite + fire nova having only 3k hp and no way to resist the dmg.

Could be worse, Spirit of the Fallen could still be in the game.

Just to quickly cover the pc angle of this.  I applaud how you've gone about some of the things you've done.  You clearly have been researching the game, viewing replays, learning everything you can, and then coming to your own conclusions.  This is substantially more than many folks have done before chiming in on the DG forums.  You are certainly welcome to your own opinion and I'm glad you can voice it here, but you are a little off in some of this.

I assume you can easily admit that you have limited experience with Demigod.  As someone that's played this competitively at an expert level, I can easily say that you aren't understanding what expert level play in Demigod is.  I'll try to explain it this way:  take your view on Demigod (doesn't matter if your view is accurate or flawed here).  Now, take what you know and determine the absolute best way to play.  You can simplify it and say that the only way to play is to be a tank.  Or you can add that you can only be good if you are playing with your friends.  Now, even looking at things like that, you could be a horrible player and know that you should stack HP and learn to communicate with your friends.  Heck, you could be crap at communicating with your friends and need to work at.  Anyway, let's say you play 100 games on the same team with only your friends.  Odds are you are better at communicating with them, right?  And odds are you are using the same items as all the experts now every game, right? 

So, what's the difference between the type of player I just mentioned and an expert?  An expert fully understands the meta game.  I just tried for a moment and really can't cover all of the strategies here, but just a few basic ones.  Yellowing flags means that if I'm successful in yellowing someone, I get extra XP and continue to hold a flag.  The amount of XP is small, but it all adds up.  An expert knows exactly how much damage they can take and when to bait the enemy when you have an advantage.  Anyway, I could go on and on.  I think the bottom line statement I'm trying to make is that let's just say that Demigod is only about stacking HP - you aren't magically good at the game because you now stack HP.  You are an expert when you master everything. 

And last - at one point, for me anyway, it really was about communicating with pals and that helped make me stronger.  After some time, though, I'm pretty much just as good with a buddy as I am with someone I don't even know.  That said, I was a huge advocate for getting folks together using voice chat and forming pre made teams to raise the level of competition.  Now, I'd only consider using voice chat in Demigod if I was playing a game against pals or if I was in another tournament. 

Please take this as only honesty not an attack or anger: Visca would thrash you silly. he is right. The differences in style are subtle yet huge.

Try playing against me and oo7_warhammer and see yourself lose no matter what your build or hero or teammate. 

It's true the game has problems and you are ABSOLUTELY correct about uberfix needing to be packaged into the game...plus about the devs/support not giving a rats about fixing it. Also yes many items are bloody stupid and should be removed.

I suggested a fix a long time ago, that same items shouldnt be able to stack. Who the hell can wear 3 helmets and 3 suits of armour at once. And when was the last time you saw anyone carrying around a hammer,an axe, and a wand all at once.

There's plenty of non hp builds that rock hardcore. oo7 has a regulus build that is insanely unbeatable with the right teammate. Oh and my rook would kill u again and again trust me he is an assasin... not very good at hiding in the shadows with those huge stompy feet of his...but oh yea he's an assasin.

I think Harry potter needs to be a demigod. Expelloramus!..... enemy disappears.

That's orb of defiance, and it has a lot of downside - you cannot move or do ANYTHING and you are nearly dead. Don't mistake that for oak's shield which is op only because silence or interrupts cannot penetrate it as well as damage.

Pacov, I understand your point, and I agree that knowing things that only experience bring makes the difference. Only communicate doesn't make you good neither stack hp, since you can just be stupid. The high lvl of unpredicble things that can happen(due not being able to see enemys inventory) plays a big role on this game. Sadly this game have more potential than any lol or hon, because it have some unique elements that makes you feel attachet to the game. Everytime i play this game, i feel sad because of all errors, bugs, unbalances etc. But I keep playing because it makes you want to play more.

Running_luckas, I rly find hard to belive that he can trash me without items; He will not be able to fight for flags having no hp to resist nukes and will need to keep going back base due it. He will surely have a lot of money for citadel upgrades but his hero will be weak and due the team points that ill get, will be easier for me to get upgrades if i just get 5 basic hp/mana items, and by the time he gets giants, ill probably be able to get it too.

But fine, he win. So what? It proves what? That he is a better player than me. Now getting to my point, tell him to beat you for example, since you are claiming to be good, with a dps build. Thats something that I want to see. lvl up and make an item build based on hits, not on nukes. Like UB with slow, atk speed and rage. He will never be able to delivery enogh dmg against a spit, ooze ub with tons of hp. I saw some guys even calling this hibrid...lol, its not hibrid, it's the same shit. Hibrid would be mixing dps with spit and ooze. Ooze and spit are part of passive dmg skills.

The game strategy range is very short, you don't have a good curve to play with, because you will be stuck at the same thing. If you take DOTA for example, if you try to make a hero with dps skills a tank, fine, you gonna tank, but your skills willl be a waste, since some give benefits for another kind of whole, and having 5k HP there, doesnt mean that you are alrdy awesome. Means that you can take a shit load of dmg before going down, but your ability to kill is very low. And thats where this game falls into a pile of shit. You can stack hp only, and still be able to kill like no one, maybe even better, since you having hp, makes you surviving for long in battles, and you will always have a high dmg output, since skills dmg are not lowered by anything.

I must admit you have an unhealthy obsession with dps builds (: By the way, my Sed build, for instance, is neither a tank, nor a nuker (no-Pounce), and it still works like a charm (well, not yesterday when I mis-healed jakins 4 times...).

Its not an obssession, I would be saying the same thing if the HP items were shit. Or if I though that nukes were to bad.

omgin1 beats me every time and this is true no tank or assasin

I have to admit your are correct the game is predominantly health stack and nuke stack. I tried dota and lol and HON....hated all of them completely. I like company of heroes and this though this game is wayyy buggy and wastes a lot of time.

I use spit ooze beast, but have been smashed by a speed melee beast (with spit but no ooze). I've seen good speed rook builds. My brother does a rook assasin damage build where I go for tank tower build.  My ice/fire TB really kills rook tower builds, but gets slaughtered by a fire TB. And nothing beats my Oculus...lol except pacov,in1,luvyfear and doggu.

I hear your frustration, such an awesome game with so much more to give but no developer seems to want to touch it now.

I problem is far away from the game communit. People just do what works. If works getting 10k hp, they will do that. No exceptions. If someone magicly find a build that you will be with 3k hp and 800 hit dmg, they will do it.

My problem is with the devs, made a game, abadoned it with heavy balance problems, and don't even bother to include a simple mod on the package for steam.

Besides that, this forum is a mess, if it was not for one steam member i would never be able to find uberfix, replays or UI improvements. Saying that, you can imagined where I'm trying to go here. Players who are not very used to reserch for the game or visit the game forum(90% or more), will just leave, or keep playing without these great improvements that the communit made. It means that, for a such small communit like demigod, it just a time downfall, where people will begin to see that nothing new is coming, and they will prefer to play something else, less problematic, where the devs rly give a fuck.

Most devs are not in touch with their communits, but they at least update their games from time to time, and sometimes they post something on the forums telling whats about to come. It makes people happy to know that they soon will have something new to play with.

I personally wish to play different mods, like the ENFOS one, but its completly impossible. If I host a game, no one will be able to join, since they dont even know where to download the mod. This is aplyied to uberfix. I can't create a game with uberfix, because people will not be able to join.

Oh, that build exists (pretty much for every Demigod). It's called "getting Mageslayer and Ashkandor". The problem with this is that you can't build your Demigod around it because you almost never get a game going that long that both sides get stacked with artifacts. Lategame AA-builds can be pretty effective but to not loose the game before late game you will still have to take other strategies first (past level 10 you might decide going AA if it looks like the game will last quite long). 

Side note - in the past when there was a new update to the mod package, I'd often host games that include a short web address and just leave those games up all day.  That way, folks that don't view the forums can check out the link if they are inclined and get all the goodies.  I'd usually host a game like "MODS - http://bitly/1/1 " or whatever (that address is just some crap I made up).  Anyway, hosting games like that got a good amount of the community playing.  Not sure if I'll get around to doing that soon, but there's no reason why anyone else couldn't do so. Barring that, I'd just use word of mouth in game.  Ask folks if they join your game if they have any of the mods.  Then just tell them to google Demigod mods. 

If you really want to see some diversity in builds, start playing some filthy rich games.  You'll see what I mean - just make sure you include "FILTHY RICH" in your game title. 

RE: the devs/pubs.  The publishers are very much in touch with the community. The dev's (GPG) have been gone for some time now.  A few things to keep in mind.  Demigod has been out for 2 1/2 years.  It received several updates since release.  Now think about this - how many games that are 2 1/2 years old are still receiving updates from the developers?  I know it's quite different in the world of F2P games and MMOs, but its pretty standard for games to stop receiving support from developers after a time.  I'm certainly on the FIX IT or make it better bandwagon, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen.  Who knows though...

Well pacov, thats fine if after sometime the game stops to receive updates, but it shouldn't before the game is well balanced.

I agree with skull to some extent. 

There are so many items that are bad in this game and even more favor items that are useless but there is no point in me writing a lengthy article about it because this game will not be receiving any updates to items or anything that will change game play. Now there are some items that have there niche builds (speed rook, natures rek on erebus/sed) but there are not a whole lot of niche builds that are playable at a high level. 

ANYWAY if you want to see what items could of looked liked in this game I suggest checking out Exxcentrics Favor mod. He had so many brilliant ideas and implemented them so well its a shame the developers never gave a crap about the game. 

We should try to make somekind of campaing. Made everyone download these mods, so we can have a more advanced gameplay; Like creating lobby games with links, so people just download the whole pack, and thats it. I would love yo help;

i could beat you without any items so that should tell you something

I'm looking forward to the epic fight of no-items visca vs fully geared skull. No 1v1 w/ host desync, yes, visca?

Im new.

just signed up.

looking forward to play in this game.

Is it true that there is no more support by developers in order to patch bad things of the game?

if so, that would be stupid.

especially since steam ppl buy it in droves!!!