NTSB Wants Complete Ban on Mobile Devices While Driving

 

Tuesday, the NTSB called for this complete ban:

“Federal officials on Tuesday called for a nationwide ban on the use of personal electronic devices while driving—including talking on the phone, as well as sending and reading text messages.

The recommendation, from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), came out of a board meeting intended to evaluate an August 2010 multi-vehicle accident in Missouri caused by a distracted driver.

"More than 3,000 people lost their lives last year in distraction-related accidents," NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman said in a statement. "It is time for all of us to stand up for safety by turning off electronic devices when driving."

"No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life," she said.” - http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2011/gray_summit_mo/index.html

The above link leads to an accident report. It’s worth reading.

“As a result of this accident sequence, the driver of the GMC pickup and one passenger seated in the rear of the lead school bus were killed. A total of 35 passengers from both buses, the 2 bus drivers, and the driver of the Volvo tractor received injuries ranging from minor to serious.” – ibid

The bottom line is that these devices are used by careless, unthinking fools while driving or operating machines which by their nature (size, weight, speed, etc.) can magnify the results of distraction.

That’s not even counting such geniuses as Alec Baldwin and his “game” which couldn’t be interrupted by something as trivial as an airplane full of other people taking off at a busy airport. How many could he (and others) chalk up every year with their nonsense?

I’m not crazy about regulations. They limit one. They also depend on voluntary compliance. People (adults) should be able to control themselves and comply. The sad fact is that "should” and “reality” is so incredibly far apart that this is a case where that the “freedom” to comply or not should be taken away.

Why do regulators even think such a “freedom” does or should exist? What these users, wait… abusers is doing kills and maims themselves and others (and also drives up insurance rates so we all pay for it).

No one has the “freedom/right/entitlement” to take another life or maim another except in well circumscribed circumstances. SMS messaging, phone calls and “tunes” just don’t figure in those cases.

These devices should have an automatic “suspend” feature activated by motion (and turned off by stopping) which could only be overcome by appropriate authorities to relay emergency messages such as “Area X: Disaster in progress, take cover.”

What about an “emergency” message from a child in danger to his/her parent? The phone/device should have an “emergency button” for such an instance, and should go to the police and activate a GPS “marker”.  Any misuse prank should cost both the parent and child.

I believe that (as usual) the abusers lack of consideration of others has reached a level with such lethal results that “choice” (which honestly doesn’t really exist in such situations for normal adults) needs to be taken away. Any tampering with such limitations should carry penalties like tampering with smoke detectors, or perhaps sterner.

Enough is enough; in fact, too much and too dear.

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Reply #1 Top

Not before time.

Too many people die because some twit is twittering on his mobile.

No different to being pissed....drink and drive and you are an effing idiot....ditto to phones.

Reply #2 Top

I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry. >:(

Reply #3 Top

Agree with it, if you have to use the phone pull over.

I ignore the phone while I'm in the car, once I reach my destination I call/text back... a few minutes waiting doesn't hurt.

 

 

Reply #4 Top

This is silly. You can't ban a ninja  :ninja: .  We always find a way

 

Its a good idea.

Reply #5 Top

Quoting LightStar, reply 2
I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry.
End of LightStar's quote

Honestly? An emergency  (ie crash or medical) is one thing (and if medical you should pull over).

To use it otherwise, you should pull over. It's a distraction (you, me, everyone needs all faculties while driving) which is unnecessary at best, lethal at worst.

Multitasking is a myth.

Reply #6 Top

Having just last week got almost run into a guard rail by a texting semi-driver...almost driven off an overpass two months before by a texting teen and having more people than I can count almost drive into me while staring at me on their approach--because they were so mentally caught up in their conversation they didn't register me or my car--I'm all for it.

Not to mention the dozens of teens and twenty-somethings who text while they drive because they tell me, "I just can't help it" and "But I'm careful.".

Three years ago, a lady broadsided me while I was stopped at a light and she was pulling out of Wendys.  She was staring straight at me and I honked my horn and waved at her as she just drove right into my car--while talking on her cell phone.

Reply #7 Top

Quoting Sinperium, reply 6
Having just last week got almost run into a guard rail by a texting semi-driver...almost driven off an overpass two months before by a texting teen and having more people than I can count almost drive into me while staring at me on their approach--because they were so mentally caught up in their conversation they didn't register me or my car--I'm all for it.

Not to mention the dozens of teens and twenty-somethings who text while they drive because they tell me, "I just can't help it" and "But I'm careful.".

Three years ago, a lady broadsided me while I was stopped at a light and she was pulling out of Wendys.  She was staring straight at me and I honked my horn and waved at her as she just drove right into my car--while talking on her cell phone.
End of Sinperium's quote

So much for "multi-tasking": Just BS to convince people that using 1/10 of the useful 1/10 for ten tasks is the same as using all possible brain.

They don't even have enough brain to begin with, nevermind (good pun) subdividing it.

Q - "What was the last thing to go through the drivers' mind as he hit the windshield?"

A - "His mobile phone."

Reply #8 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 5

Quoting LightStar, reply 2I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry.

Honestly? An emergency  (ie crash or medical) is one thing (and if medical you should pull over).

To use it otherwise, you should pull over. It's a distraction (you, me, everyone needs all faculties while driving) which is unnecessary at best, lethal at worst.

Multitasking is a myth.
End of DrJBHL's quote

I am not going to really argue the point with you much Doc, but this will never fly anyway.  First of all the cops would never be able to enforce it ( http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/14/9452292-proposed-cellphone-ban-splits-police-lawmakers ) and people would just ignore it anyway. I only use my hands free system every once in a blue moon anyway if it is important and only for a very short time. If someone allows themselves to become distracted for any reason while driving a vehicle and talking on a hands free system, ... well let's just say that stupidity must reign supreme. Gee, lets ban listening to a radio and singing while you drive too, that's a distraction also. :)

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 7
Q - "What was the last thing to go through the drivers' mind as he hit the windshield?"

A - "His mobile phone."
End of DrJBHL's quote

We had a footballer in Oz......wiped himself out running into the back of a parked truck.  Made all the headlines cos he was such a tosser....[er famous footballer].  He dubiously had several dozen mobile phones in the boot...back when they were several thousand $ each.....

My sister - in -law works for the DPP...she saw the crash photos...and yes...one of the phones was stuck in the back of his head.....;p

Reply #10 Top

Quoting LightStar, reply 8
I am not going to really argue the point with you much Doc, but this will never fly anyway. First of all the cops would never be able to enforce it ...
End of LightStar's quote

Doc already mentioned the likely most effective fix: regulating the tech, not the users. There is a growing pile of empirical evidence that even hands-free calls impair drivers as much as being legally drunk does.

The two main obstacles to a successful policy to reduce these deaths and injuries are the mobile device manufacturers (including care makers with embedded devices in some models), and our old friend cognitive dissonance. Some recent surveys have shown solid majorities in the U.S. believe using mobile devices while driving is dangerous, yet nearly as many people admit to doing it regularly. 

Reply #11 Top

Quoting GW, reply 10
The two main obstacles to a successful policy to reduce these deaths and injuries are the mobile device manufacturers
End of GW's quote

Their motives are clear: Profit from use, and profit from the addiction to that SMS social crap. They use "free texting" to sell their plans.

Actually Insurance Co.'s (through their cupidity) might actually do what lawmakers (i.e. "freeloaders on the public") can't by saying, "Use of any mobile device while driving voids your insurance coverage for any damages inflicted or incurred for any occurrence during that usage."

Quoting GW, reply 10
Some recent surveys have shown solid majorities in the U.S. believe using mobile devices while driving is dangerous, yet nearly as many people admit to doing it regularly.
End of GW's quote

It's always "the other guy", isn't it? "I can do it because I'm good, or do it rarely."   Sort of like "I only drive under the influence rarely."

No one would tolerate that argument yet they tolerate and espouse the other.

Vulcans these folks ain't.

Reply #12 Top

As far as I'm concerned phones should just make calls...period. They have to much stuff on phones that can distract you and just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Used to be you'd never see an ad on tv for a phone of all things....now it's every other ad. And with all the texting and such on these phones people are becoming social misfits.

Reply #13 Top

Quoting GW, reply 10
There is a growing pile of empirical evidence that even hands-free calls impair drivers as much as being legally drunk does.
End of GW's quote

Must be a bunch of complete idiots if they are talking hands free using voice commands then. I for one think it is people, not the devices. I lost a loved one in 1994 to a stupid 16 year old slamming into the back of my car and killing my 7 year old daughter, and causing a severe concussion on my 14 year old son that I truly feel he has never recovered from. The kid only had his license one month and was "distracted" by his younger brother riding with him. People get "distracted" all the time by many different things, but only if they allow themselves to be "distracted". Being "distracted" is a human fault, it has nothing to do with talking hands free on a voice command device, it has nothing to do with listening to music, it has nothing to do with anything other than the people themselves. If you allow yourself to be "distracted", then yes you are a hazard to both yourself and others. While I do not agree with taking your hands off the wheel to do something stupid like texting or using an electronic device or anything else with your hands, I do believe that talking hands free with voice commands is not a "distraction". Unless of course like I said, you are a complete idiot and allow yourself to become "distracted".

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Reply #14 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 11
It's always "the other guy", isn't it? "I can do it because I'm good, or do it rarely." Sort of like "I only drive under the influence rarely."
End of DrJBHL's quote

The fascinating thing in the research is that it isn't an "other guy" problem, it's individuals' ability to hold conflicting ideas. Most folks know that driving and talking or texting is dangerous, but many of those same folks do it anyway. Exactly like the kind of person who knows driving drunk is dangerous yet heads out for a cocktail party with no designated driver, taxi money, or bus fare.

Quoting WebGizmos, reply 12
Used to be you'd never see an ad on tv for a phone of all things....now it's every other ad. And with all the texting and such on these phones people are becoming social misfits.
End of WebGizmos's quote
 

I'm patiently hoping for some new fads for things like "offline time with friends and family" to replace this thumb-fumbling mess. There was an encouraging story in the Times yesterday about young folks who shun Facebook: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/technology/shunning-facebook-and-living-to-tell-about-it.html  

Reply #15 Top

I agree with all points except......

In Illinois they passed a law prohibiting teens from texting. It has remained unenforced and unenforceable.

OnStar and other devices designed to be safely used while driving have more potential to save lives than to cause accidents.

Face it, if a driver can't hold a conversation, hands-free electronically or person to person within the vehicle without being dangerously distracted, they should park it or just duct tape their mouth shut shut before entering a vehicle.

There was a time Americas roads were actually safer due to on-board communications. Truck drivers with CB radios summoned police, assisted stranded motorists, advised drivers of road conditions ahead, gave directions, etc.  CB's had hand-held microphones but you never heard of anyone getting run over by a ratchet-jawed trucker on a CB. Training and focus on the task at hand(driving) helped assure that they would be home safely at the end of their run.

The sad fact is, generally speaking, peoples driving skills have been deteriorating to the point that things like air bags, rear view cameras and now auto-parking are needed to keep the incompetent from hurting themselves and others.

Shutting them up won't make anyone much safer.

 

 

Reply #16 Top

I wonder how this is going to impact the, at least, 1/3 of the doctors that I transcribe for -- they dictate from their cars on their cell phones.  I actually was talking to one from Chicago the other day, she admitted to dictating from her car and I shocking said "you dictate from your car?!"  She said she does it all the time.  I responded she must be a much better driver than I am, because I need to concentrate to drive.  I guess since she's a busy doctor and I'm just a work-from-home transcriptionist, she's not privy to the glaring statistics that I get to read about in the news about how not only texting and talking on a cell while driving causes accidents, but also having someone else in the car talking on a cell is distracting enough (more so, according to the report I read) to cost lives.


The articles that I've read state that cell phones (talking and texting) are more detrimental to driving than driving drunk.

Reply #17 Top

Quoting GW, reply 14
The fascinating thing in the research is that it isn't an "other guy" problem, it's individuals' ability to hold conflicting ideas.
End of GW's quote

I agree... the famous experiment with the stationary dot of light in a dark room and others (shills) saying it moved... even though the person felt it didn't, he agreed that it moved.

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 15
but you never heard of anyone getting run over by a ratchet-jawed trucker on a CB
End of Wizard1956's quote

That's true... but no one was aware of the problem back then, so questions weren't asked and no logs existed in a cb. Fact is, it's no less a distraction.

Distractions are cumulative. While one might deal well with one distraction, if a driving situation becomes suddenly more complex, he/she might well not be able to deal with it. Just like an alcohol user.

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 15
Training and focus on the task at hand(driving) helped assure that they would be home safely at the end of their run.
End of Wizard1956's quote

Then you do agree that dividing one's focus decreases safety.

Quoting k10w3, reply 16
I wonder how this is going to impact the, at least, 1/3 of the doctors that I transcribe
End of k10w3's quote

Profession is irrelephant, Karen. You're also guessing at what she might or might not have been thinking. Don't forget Cognitive Dissonance... Doesn't matter who does it. They're all equally dangerous and should be punished equally. No one's dictation, texting or conversation is important enough to endanger anyone elses well being.

Doctors or lawyers or Indian Chiefs all deal equally poorly with distraction:

Quoting k10w3, reply 16
The articles that I've read state that cell phones (talking and texting) are more detrimental to driving than driving drunk.
End of k10w3's quote

And that's the truth! :thumbsup:

 

Reply #18 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 15
Face it, if a driver can't hold a conversation, hands-free electronically or person to person within the vehicle without being dangerously distracted, they should park it or just duct tape their mouth shut shut before entering a vehicle.
End of Wizard1956's quote

60 MPH is 88 fps ......a one second delay/distraction and you are 5 car lengths ahead of where you were......

Dissociation from your environment through conversing with someone...particularly OUTSIDE your environment is an actual distraction and a very real danger.  It is akin to driving while drowsy....and in Oz we have road signs that simply say "Drowsy drivers die".

You are genuinely fooling yourself if you think you are NOT impaired while driving and talking on a phone...hand-held or otherwise.

If you THINK you are not impaired....enroll in an advanced driving course...get yourself on a slalem/skid pan....and try it out.

I GUARANTEE you will be horrified.

Reply #19 Top

I would have to agree that drivers should concentrate on 1 thing only, DRIVING. Passengers in a car can see when the driver is in a more dangerous position and the conversation stops or turns to helping the driver be more aware where the person on the other side of the phone don't care if you're car is going off a cliff, they just keep talking.

I also read that the more safe you make a car the faster and more careless people drive. If you want the driver to have both hands on the wheel and 100% attention to the road you need to put a spear on the horn pointing at the drivers throat.

Reply #20 Top

I would go even further and make there be an active signal inhibitor block the signal of the phone while the car is in motion.  You want to talk on the phone park your car and talk all you want.

Reply #21 Top

Texting, hand-dialing, holding and talking on a phone while driving - all are stupid and potentially dangerous.

Doc's line of reasoning, however, would require that radios/CD players be removed from vehicles and other (non-driving) humans be banned from vehicles while in motion.  Perhaps we should be required to wear centrally-monitored sleep verification devices to be sure no one gets behind the wheel tired.  The only way to make things safer still would be to ban driving vehicles altogether.  That would definitely decrease deaths from motor vehicle accidents.

I'm also curious to know why two-way radio devices used by cabbies & shuttle bus drivers for millions of man-hours per year while in motion are not a problem.  And shuttle drivers here use console-mounted laptops while under way all the time.

Reply #22 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 21
Doc's line of reasoning, however, would require that radios/CD players be removed from vehicles and other (non-driving) humans be banned from vehicles while in motion.
End of Daiwa's quote

They are when the driver starts fiddling with discs, channels and volume/balance/fade, etc. Look... it's simple: If it lulls you or if it or it's maintenance cause you to pay one iota less attention to your driving, it's a distraction. They add up, even if you don't have to fiddle with them.

Quoting Daiwa, reply 21
Perhaps we should be required to wear centrally-monitored sleep verification devices to be sure no one gets behind the wheel tired.
End of Daiwa's quote

Perhaps we should. If you fall asleep and kill/maim only yourself and destroy no one elses property? OK. Anything else? Not OK.

Quoting Daiwa, reply 21
The only way to make things safer still would be to ban driving vehicles altogether. That would definitely decrease deaths from motor vehicle accidents.
End of Daiwa's quote

Indeed it would. Nothing wrong with well planned and available mass transit. Less polluting, too. Good idea. :)

Quoting Daiwa, reply 21
I'm also curious to know why two-way radio devices used by cabbies & shuttle bus drivers for millions of man-hours per year while in motion are not a problem. And shuttle drivers here use console-mounted laptops while under way all the time.
End of Daiwa's quote

Who said they aren't? I believe they are. When no logs are available, hard to know how much they contribute to the problem, right?

 

Reply #23 Top

The worst  drivers are perverts? (Cant do better than this. 2 drunk)

Reply #24 Top

That was uncalled for and in poor taste.

Would you please change that comment?

 

Reply #25 Top

Comment from quote has been edited.  Moderator

 

^Just another example of why cross posts aren't a good idea.  JMO, of course, but the general mindset of gamers and the general mindset of customizers are not on the same par.