She'd also say that Christians believe the sky is green, and that's it's obviously not.

It's black.

The 'blue' is from refracted light through moisture...;p

Under that theory, everything is black.

 

Not actually, the color of the sky has to to a lot with the scatter of photons in the atmosphere. It is a lot of math that I don't pretend to understand.

 

Here is a basic description: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

See, we've now had a reasonable conversation about the color of the sky and where it comes from, without anyone calling anyone else an idiot, or saying they can't understand, comprehend, or speak English properly, or really any insults at all.

That's what a conversation looks like.

Way'da go at taking the thread off coarse, mod included.

Obvious absence of 'intelligent design' here... 

 Excellent.

Well, I seen a political science class that I avoided like the plague, I prefer anarchy. My observation led me to believe that people treat politics just like religion, fanatical. Their leader could cut a baby in half in front of them, and most will all make up reasons why the baby needed to be cut in half. Most people have lost the ability of critical thinking and most just rely on the crap coming from TV and take it all as 'gospel', anyone that questions it wears tinfoil hats. Anyway, both religion and politics are just systems of control for the many, in the hands of a few. 

This is the big reason I have a hard time with ID. Seems to me they are just trying to keep God relevant in a scientific world where more and more people are just refusing to drink the fluoride (oops, tinfoil hat off). I have yet to read or be shown anything that would make me think ID is anything more than being asked to have faith, again. If I look a potato chip long enough, I am sure I will see the Virgin Mary or whatever else I wanted to see. Sorry, all I see is a potato chip.

 

As far as I can tell, the deeper we get into what people are made of, what life is made of, and what non-life is made of, the harder it is to jump that gap from non-life to life.  How is it possible for it to have formed?  Scientists can't figure it out - maybe someday they will.  I doubt it though.  The machines that are in our cells to make them run, the cyclical nature of life... life has always needed life before it in order to live.  The theory that at one point, that was not true, does not make sense.  But, if you make an assumption that God isn't, then you must make the assumption that non-life became alive.

PS - Rude huh, let’s see what options are available to you without you having to fix your broke-dick computer: You can ignore them (obviously your choice), you could Google the name (Ken Miller a practicing Catholic) and find something your computer will allow you to look at, you could buy a book or two and do your own research for a change or you could just ask another Christian whom you believe to be just as flawless as you and have them look at it and explain it to you, etc. But you prefer to whine about the injustice of it all.

 

You youself have restated back to me that you know I can't see your video postings at all.  Why are you then replying to my post with a video?  That seems rather rude.

Hello Jafo, nice to hear from you again, but I am sure you didn't mean just two types of people. There is nothing inflammatory about evolution which is my view of course, but it cannot be refuted with facts, only mysticism. Sadly even the biblical tails of magic are themselves impossible without evolution … yet it just doesn’t work for them. Without evolution there is no possibility that Noah and his boat load of pairs repopulated the entire world. So I don’t feel at all trollish about discussing evolution because it HAS to work for everyone whether or not they believe in it. I am always open to new ideas as long as they can be presented in a manner that doesn’t require me to believe it based on nothing besides ‘faith’. 

Besides, this would be a dull place if everyone just posted what ‘everyone’ else was comfortable with. Nobody is required to believe anything they don’t want to … but you cannot in good faith argue that ‘it just doesn’t work’.

Glad you (someone else) mentioned this. I have made the same argument but ... since it came from me it was disregarded as usual. This is not profound, just same simple facts delivered by a different messenger. None should have been necessary …

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

 

I don't remember ever caring about what color the sky is enough to disregard an opinion on it.

 

Well said, besides the court has already made this a moot point as far as reason is concerned. We are just going to have to wait a little longer for reality to sink in to the ‘faithful only’, or just let them regress further into their mystical caves where they feel secure and safe from reality.

You are the one who brought it up so why should it mean anything to you???

If ignorance of the facts makes them responsible then you would be right (but wrong) then. The 'church' on the other hand knew just as little but they capitalized on the uneducated and swore it was the wrath of god which of course it wasn't. As far as I can see, this pitiful rejection of things we do know is still the mainstay of the biblical realists who cannot even Google a mouse. As far as I am concerned, politics as practiced IN America is as close to the dogmatic bigotry of the monotheistic religions as to be one with them.

I am not sure we have agreed at anything yet. Besides in reality Einstein only disproved some of Descartes push-physics, adding to Newton's theories and expanding them to include new information. The math was unavailable so it was the best we could do at the time. There is nothing wrong with Newton’s theory of gravity but as in all real things, we learn more every day and then we update our information base. What we don’t do is sit around memorizing a bible waiting for shit to come to us, as if. Maybe if you could explain what you mean or want, I wouldn’t have to guess?

Oh this is as silly as can be. I do not even know what you are trying to do but this line by line nonsense will not do. I don’t dismiss much of merit but see no point in discussing nonsense. If you want to view the world around you in more than three dimensions then by all means do so. This post is not about rocket science or the cutting edge of science. It is about idiots who believe the world to be 5012 years old, hardly the cutting edge of anything.