pacov pacov

pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

Please join me if you like.

 

 

 


 

 

Am I streaming


 

 

Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw :P ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
11,215,060 views 5,007 replies
Reply #1701 Top

a good red post:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29123780#29123780

and this regarding a confirmed hack...

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=8688517#8688517

 

and random, pointless knowledge - if there is a draven on both teams, they can catch each other's axes. 

Reply #1702 Top

the throws!  heh.  ah well - fun games overall though. 

Reply #1703 Top

The best part is the gragas... give it a look

Reply #1704 Top

Also - new ping icons are in the latest PBE - these are things like a ping to show I'm on my way, etc.  Looking forward to seeing the implementation. 

Reply #1705 Top

Anyone know or have some idea what the next champion is gonna be after Syndra?

Reply #1706 Top

Quoting Rovert10, reply 1706
Anyone know or have some idea what the next champion is gonna be after Syndra?
End of Rovert10's quote

Not me anyway... afaik they have only just dropped some hints that the ones coming up will be good, impressive stuff.  All vague, touchy feely words... if I catch wind of anything useful, I'll post.

Reply #1707 Top

SO TIRED OF THIS FUCKING GAME. HOLY FUCKING STUPID ASS PEOPLE ON RANKED. I FUCKING GIVE THIS GAME TO PEOPLE AS JUNGLE MUNDO RIGHT? WE ARE UP FUCKING 28 to 10 RIGHT? FUCKING YORICK D/C'S GG 

Two games before that people that go 1/10 and 1/14. Why the fuck do I even play this game. How am I supposed to enjoy ranked when I fucking win and still lose because people can't buy a fucking internet connection that is worth while? 

Reply #1708 Top

l2p an ADC and I'll duo with you.  easy peasy elo.  Anyway, I know what you mean.  I'm not a fan of true solo queue in ranked.  I prefer the odds of having 3 possible derps on your team instead of 4. or in your example - you at least know 2 people on your team have reliable internet...

Note to pacov - DEMAND that pete plays taric as a support if wants that role.  Pete's blitz is... nice.  Other than that, fun games.  I was stomped top as garen vs oriana ad... and then we completely destroyed her team as oriana ad is rubbish outside of laning vs a melee.  That was delightful.  And then just stomping all around.  Outside of my 1 game with pete as support blitz, I was solo top garen and had fun.  I think he's quite viable against many champs, but if its draft, he really has to a be a pick after you know the enemy top.  I think they did a good job with the rework overall.  Not a huge fan of his ult mechanics, but they are easy to understand at least. 

Reply #1709 Top

Shit happens. :)

Reply #1710 Top

I am really getting into Diana, even if League charging such huge ip amounts is bullshit. As a HoN legacy I received all post early access champs for free. Plus, they used to have 1350 and 3150 champs and now its all 6300.

 

In any case having a touchpad causes me to miss lots of kills, but I am still winning most games as mid. I really like her suck in. Its amusing. Maybe a shorter cooldown though? Landing Q is pretty tough and I rarely have a team good enough to set up a 3 hit moonlight and thus 4 ulties combo. Still dual ulties with 600 ap and lichbane is insane. Even more fun than 3k Q ap poppy.

Reply #1711 Top

Diana is a poor mid choice after her nerfs...

she's still viable, it's just that there are better choices.

 

Try Ahri. That fox is really astonishingly strong...

Reply #1712 Top

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun, reply 1712
Diana is a poor mid choice after her nerfs...

she's still viable, it's just that there are better choices.

 

Try Ahri. That fox is really astonishingly strong...
End of KrdaxDrkrun's quote

 

I would you know, but I would have to grind out another 6300 IP. Because Riot are greedy scum. I'm not paying 10$ for a champ when I can get King of Dragon Pass and Startopia from GOG for the same price as that one champ.

I can't afford to side lane no matter what anyways. That would require trusting other players to do their job. 1/16 Teemo says no!

Reply #1713 Top

So, I often grab a quick 1st win of the day vs bots... in particular on my main account as I'm leveling the other 1 to 30.  Anyway, here's my personal best.  I'm referring to the total length of the game.

Reply #1714 Top

you're goddamn Mat Cauthon stop complaining. 

Reply #1715 Top

I would like everybody to look at and read this picture.  If you give a weird blue leash, there is nothing that the jungler can do:

Reply #1717 Top

Karl, thank you so much!

It really bugged me not knowing what exactly would cause the reset... thanks for taking away the mystery.

Reply #1718 Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 1715
you're goddamn Mat Cauthon stop complaining. 
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote

 

well my name is matt. but i don't get this reference.

Reply #1719 Top

Character from The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan.  He has insanely good luck.

Reply #1720 Top

Season 2 awards have been announced.  Worth reading.

 

The Changes:

  • Season 2 rewards will be based on the highest rating you achieve between now and the end of the season. Once you’ve achieved a tier, you’ll have it for good, and playing more games can only help you out. In order to do this, we are resetting Top Rating for all players to their Current Rating and will be using Top Rating to determine end-of-season reward tiers.
  • We’re adding a whole new tier! Diamond will be at the top and the other tiers have expanded so that everyone who becomes ranked will qualify for a tier and the corresponding rewards. Players who joined a team on or after September 1 will also need to win five games with that team to qualify for rewards.
  • We’ve upgraded the medal art on your summoner profile. At each new tier, you’ll unlock an awesome new medal.
  • Tiers will now be subdivided into rating “ranks”. These ranks inform you of how close you are to moving up to the next tier. Moving up a rank also enhances your summoner profile medal.


The Rewards:

Bronze tier:

  • Bronze summoner icon for each queue (3v3 team, 5v5 solo, or 5v5 team) in which you are Bronze tier


Silver tier:

  • Silver border on the game loading screen
  • Silver summoner icon for each queue in which you are Silver tier


Gold tier:

  • War Hero Janna skin
  • Gold banner trim in summoner profile
  • Gold border on the game loading screen
  • Gold summoner icon for each queue in which you are Gold tier


Platinum tier:

  • Platinum forum badge
  • War Hero Janna skin
  • Platinum banner trim in summoner profile
  • Platinum border on the game loading screen
  • Platinum summoner icon for each queue in which you are Platinum tier


Diamond:

  • Diamond forum badge
  • War Hero Janna skin
  • Diamond banner trim in summoner profile
  • Diamond border on the game loading screen
  • Diamond summoner icon for each queue in which you are Diamond tier


Played in All Queues: achieved a tier in 5v5 solo, 5v5 team, and 3v3 team
Special summoner icon based on the lowest tier achieved in the three queues

You’ll reap your rewards shortly after the end of the season, but be on the lookout for sneak peeks of the skin, badges and other goods in the coming weeks. GLHF!

Click here to check out the Season 2 Rating Tiers!

Reply #1721 Top

ooo - pricing updated on rune pages.  You now get 2 for 6300 ip.

Reply #1722 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 1720
Character from The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan.  He has insanely good luck.
End of psychoak's quote

 

I have insanely good luck in individual multiplayer games. In team games its not the case.

Reply #1723 Top

Ooh! I will finally get a skin for a support champion!

Reply #1724 Top

lots of weird crap happening in league atm... saw that they disabled ranked queues on a temp basis. 

Reply #1725 Top

I guess I should finally get off my butt and get up to gold again in ranked.  I want my free skin for a champ that I never play.