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pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw :P ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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Reply #626 Top

yaha - also this.  The last 8 seconds are what make it worth watching for the super excited Japanese guy. AWESOME

Reply #627 Top

the only way to win at league of legends is buy at least 6 teemo skins. gg

Reply #628 Top

side note - their patch seems to have destroyed pvp.net :P

Reply #629 Top

Indeed...

 

I made the mistake of playing a ranked game.  After two queue dodges, I was left in our silent chatroom filled with only the people dumb enough to be playing anyway.  They sucked. :(

Reply #630 Top

I love, love, love that crazy Japanese guy screaming Pentakill.  Thinking I might need to make a ringer out of it or something.  Cracks me up every time.  Had time for like 1 game yesterday and ended up with a vayne that quit after 2 minutes or so with me as a support (not ranked).  Was a real treat.  Sadly, the other team was rubbish, so my team wanted to play it out and refused to surrender a bit.  At the 30 min marker, I told them I didn't have time for an hour long 4v5 (it would have been longer than that even) and told them I'd play as long as a I could.  Then, after 1 final push, they agreed to surrender.  So, annoying that vayne screwed us; annoying that my teammates wouldn't quit; nice that they got on board after I made it clear that I couldn't keep playing for much longer. 

edit - I'll be on tonight, I'm sure, and up for some ranked or w/e. 

re: janna -  a few things come to mind - 1 - I think I'm going to turn off that setting that lets me hold down a smart cast spell to see the range for it.  Seems to make it difficult to always quickly start and launch janna's whirlwind.  2 - janna actually took a pretty big nerf imo.  1st, the range she can push back enemies with her ult was reduced (eg its easier to catch back up to the team if janna uses her ult defensively.  2nd, its less effective when you immediately cast and launch the whirlwind due to a lower knock up value of 80 (from 100).  This means any quick cast is less effective for setting up kills or generating saves.  They "buffed" that by making it cause higher knock ups as you let the whirlwind charge (which is nice for well timed jungle ganks, etc), but that also reduces some utility.  The change is really a nerf imo, as it cuts down on her utility and ability to save a little bit.  It's nothing substantial, I'd say it decreases your ability to save a teammate some. 

Reply #631 Top

Sad to hear Janna got a nerf...Especially since I think she is probably the most healthy support for the game right now, next to Lulu, although she legitimately needs a slight nerf to her ratios. Support having buffs over sustain is really a no brainer if you want to promote more aggressive play. Nerfing her ult knockback is completely unnecessary given the amount of gap closers that exist in this game!

As for last night, the servers were crap. Very frustrating.

Having a dependable bluetooth headset is probably a good investment. That particular headset has good reviews, although the cheapest price I can find in Canada is $85. I will have to mull it over :)

 

Reply #632 Top

after playing LoL for almost a week now i realize how nice the demigod community actually was :D

Reply #633 Top

10 straight loses.....ive had a horrible gaming day.

Reply #634 Top

Quoting aA_reggird, reply 632
after playing LoL for almost a week now i realize how nice the demigod community actually was

yep we are a loving bunch

Reply #635 Top

Quoting aA_reggird, reply 632
after playing LoL for almost a week now i realize how nice the demigod community actually was

mute is your friend.  :)  Sometimes you even get bitched at if you are doing well - its a crazy world.  Once you have some experience, though, I've found that the people bitching me out drops way down.  And I just immediately mute folks that you can tell will be annoying.  If you are really getting annoyed by folks, I'd even recommend muting the whole team.  Obviously not a nice team play move, but some are more bothered by trolls than others.  Anyway, I find that like 1 day out of 15 or so I run into someone annoying that I didn't mute.  That's not so bad. 

Reply #636 Top

off to bed - I pretty much played eve on my crap accounts.  1st - my god is she pretty damn useless in the meta.  That said, I actually did really well with her.  It's just a completely diff playstyle of being a moving ward/ward remover.  My best moment was being a moving ward in a game where we were starting to grab baron.  I followed their team around from their tower all the way to baron giving vision - then we ganked the lot of them by flashing (not me) from dragon up to where all the goofs were standing that I spotted. It is pretty exciting to be standing right in the middle of 5 of them that could instantly kill me if they knew I was there.  That's the super fun part of playing her anyway.

You'd have been like wtf in the laning phase, though.  I played like kinda supportish/kinda f you over if you do something dumb.  I did lots of I start running the other way, then cloak when they can see me (still going the other way), then immediately run back to them moves.  Pretty damn successful with that rot.  I rushed that gp/5 ability item, then lv1 boots, then oracles, then worked on my build.  My main nonsense was getting death fire grasp and initiating out of nowhere with full on nukes (e + deathfire, etc).  The lane matchups were just stupid, though.  One game was me + kog vs kait/oriana.  Holy crap hehe - i had like 2 cs at 6 minutes (and again, it was "kinda" support).  Anyway, she's fun to play... but oh such a dick move to pick her.  :P  She's less useful than a support as I frankly can do oh so little in team fights.  But I can provide 100% no wards for the other team (better than any support) and pretty much a guaranteed kill if the enemy breaks off by 1... Anyway, its fun.  I won't subject you folks to that rot, though :)

oh and  PENTA KILL!!! PENTA KILL!!!  PENTA KILL!!!

Reply #637 Top

Pacov wants you!

Join my LoL troll team.  I'm looking for folks that want to act like complete jackasses in normal or ranked games (no my games as eve recently did not inspire me... wait.. I mean...).  This will be entirely for fun.  We will try to win, ofc, but won't expect to.  I'm talking about team almost all invisible or team all support, or team all jungle, or team all tp gank, or team all heals, or team etc.  You get the idea. I'm looking to get 5 folks that are down and to start as early as tomorrow evening.  Let me know if you are up for it.  We'll all do voice chat (for those willing, ofc) and just have a good time playing like a bunch of jack asses.  Let me know if you are interested. 

Reply #638 Top

i did not know you were a pokemon player, pacov. 

Reply #639 Top

Better?

or...



Reply #640 Top

Haha I'm down for being a troll team sometime. Sounds like fun. Also congrats on the Penta. I have yet to get one, despite having several quadras...

Reply #641 Top

can't

though I have done quite a lot of trolling

my schedule is still restricted to daytime playing at the moment

more Viktor ranked wins

have a 100% win rate

:D

Reply #642 Top

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun, reply 641
more Viktor ranked wins

have a 100% win rate

Great!

Reply #643 Top

I am so installing diablo 3 as soon as I get home.  I'll prob play some lol too, though. 

Reply #644 Top

Bleh Diablo. Guild Wars 2 will be out soon and there is a beta weekend the 27th.

Reply #645 Top

Quoting OMG_Shiro, reply 644
Bleh Diablo. Guild Wars 2 will be out soon and there is a beta weekend the 27th.

bleh waiting another week.  hail diablo today. 

Reply #646 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 637
Reduced 70%Original 800 x 621

Pacov wants you!

Join my LoL troll team.  I'm looking for folks that want to act like complete jackasses in normal or ranked games (no my games as eve recently did not inspire me... wait.. I mean...).  This will be entirely for fun.  We will try to win, ofc, but won't expect to.  I'm talking about team almost all invisible or team all support, or team all jungle, or team all tp gank, or team all heals, or team etc.  You get the idea. I'm looking to get 5 folks that are down and to start as early as tomorrow evening.  Let me know if you are up for it.  We'll all do voice chat (for those willing, ofc) and just have a good time playing like a bunch of jack asses.  Let me know if you are interested. 

a friend told me the ran a team of all support healing  and healing characters a couple of times in ranked and were unbeatable >.>

anyways im for it.

Reply #647 Top

huh... new patch out.

  • Fixed a bug where the enemy team would see several Champions in their alternate form, while the player was controlling their original form (i.e. Nidalee, Anivia, Shyvana, etc.)
  • Fixed a bug where champions would become un-targetable
  • Fixed a bug where some players would experience a blank log in page, after patching.
  • Fixed a bug where players would see all champions as grayed out, while the banning process was occurring
  • Fixed a bug where mastery pages would appear overly large, on low resolution settings
  • Fixed a bug where players could not edit mastery page names, and apply mastery points in the same action
  • Fixed a bug where visual effects continue on buffs, after they have ended
  • Fixed a bug with Warlord Shen’s run animation
  • Fixed a bug where the player with the first ban in draft mode can only ban from his own set of champions
  • Fixed a bug where champions would die in alternate forms and respawn in the same form (i.e Cassiopeia, Kog’maw)
  • Fixed a bug with draft mode champion select audio queue
  • Fixed a bug with chat disconnecting
  • Fixed a bug with Greater Quintessence of the Piercing present to match Greater Quintessence of Insight
Reply #649 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 648
Good game about to start:  http://www.nationalesl.com/us/tv/

smeh - they've remade the game like 3 times now... i give up.
 the game sucked balls.  4-16 and 2nd tier towers were falling when i stopped watching like 15 minutes into the game.

Reply #650 Top

Quoting 4Nana, reply 649
the game sucked balls. 4-16 and 2nd tier towers were falling when i stopped watching like 15 minutes into the game.

who was winning?