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New way to track advertising and purchases by cell signal strength violates the law.

New way to track advertising and purchases by cell signal strength violates the law.

 

It never ceases to amaze me just how our rights are violated to make someone a profit every day.

The newest twist (according to Sean Gallagher) is by tracing your cellphone signal strength as you enter and walk around in a mall. This new method

pioneered by Path Intelligence (http://www.pathintelligence.com/) essentially turns your cellphone into a tracking cookie.

 

What begs the question is however the simple fact that this cellphone data can be cross-indexed with credit card purchases, effectively identifying, and indexing “walk by” vs. “purchasing” populations down to the actual identity of the unsuspecting person.

These feckless “data entrepreneurs” (aka spies) have the nerve to state “warnings” are posted, so the public is informed. Here’s their purported “warning” which tells no one anything in the least visible manner possible:

 

It doesn’t state the method used, and is presented in the least attention attracting method possible, in the dullest colors on a mall map along with the url. No one intent on finishing his/her shopping would check that (a fact they have certainly researched and are counting on).

In an effort to expose this, and as a service to our British members, all I can tell you is the mall involved is a Forest City property. I cannot find the identity. They are not quite “transparent”.

Their nefarious efforts are not limited to England, where they can get away with it legally. They are in America also:

In the US, Footpath is being trailed in two malls by “Forest City” (http://www.forestcity.net/Pages/default.aspx), a mall real estate company that owns malls and shopping centers nationwide. Promenade Temecula in Temecula, California, and Short Pump Town Center in Richmond, Virginia are the sites of choice; the trial started twelve days ago, and will run through New Years.” – Sean Gallagher (link above)

Here in America, we are (paradoxically) protected from this type of behavior by “The Patriot Act”:

“There's just one problem with this type of detailed tracking: it's technically illegal, according to Mark Rasch, the director of cyber security at CSC. Thanks to court interpretations of provisions in the Patriot Act, he said in a recent blog, devices that measure cell phones' signal strength could be considered to be "pen registers"—monitoring devices that require a warrant.

"Although this mall technology might not identify specific individuals, it raises a bunch of privacy red flags," he wrote. "First, the instant the consumer identifies himself or herself anywhere in the mall (say, by using a credit or debit card to buy something), it is a trivial task to cross reference the cell phone data with the payment data and realize that the person hanging around outside the Victoria’s Secret dressing room was your 70-year-old neighbor."” – Sean Gallagher (http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/were-watching-malls-track-shoppers-cell-phone-signals-to-gather-marketing-data.ars)

I wonder if anything will come of that.

In case you were wondering, some malls are also using facial recognition software to track shoppers. That is illegal as well.

In summary, I’d like to see these folks (all of them) brought to justice. I also know nothing like that will ever happen. The most I can do is tell you about it, and by doing so warn you.

 

Sources:

http://storefrontbacktalk.com/securityfraud/mobile-tracking-would-be-great-if-it-werent-illegal-what-everything-has-to-be-perfect-with-you/

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/were-watching-malls-track-shoppers-cell-phone-signals-to-gather-marketing-data.ars

 

 

 

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Reply #26 Top

Sir_Linque, as I said I'm not against technology just the miss use of it. 

I'm somewhat older, born in '48 so I'm a child of the 50's 60's.  I can remember well when personal technology started with the tranistor radio and hand held calculator.  Usefull items untill the marketing folks got hold of them. 

Fast forward to cell phones and you have the same thing.  Adults where not buying them in the numbers expected so lets market it to the children, there is where the real growth market is.

:sun:

Reply #27 Top

I'm a bit tired and I don't understand what the alarm is about.

so the mall tracks your phone. But how can they know whos phone it is?

And how does this benefit the mall?   I don't get it o_O

Reply #28 Top

Campaigner if they can track the phone it stands to reason the can get the number, with the number all the identity doors open up.  It's just 'Big Brother' keeping track of you.  Should you worry............. :-"

Reply #29 Top

the best way of stuffing the 'cross-indexers' is to pay CASH and not use a 'card'(and also request a CASH discount as the 'card's usually have a processing FEE of atleast 1%(this also hurts the finance companies that supply the 'card's))

harpo

 

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Sir_Linque, reply 23
Philly0381, recently I've begun to wonder if there will be a larger pushback with regards to this high tech craze. I was born and raised with pretty much every single high tech gizmo that I could dream of. I am an IT expert now and know my way around technology perfectly. But in the past year or so, I've gotten rid of my smart phone (I have a very cheap Nokia phone that has some functions but not a lot), lost all interest on getting any new toys and generally just enjoy a more simplistic life tech-wise.

I don't know if I'm just an exception or whether a lot more people will snap out of the tech craze and try to make the tech adapt to your life, not the other way around. I still use technology, but it has begun to seriously lose its control over me. I'm still somewhat addicted to being online when at home, but that's something that wouldn't be that hard of an habit to kick should I get motivation to do it.
End of Sir_Linque's quote

My sentiments entirely....;)

Reply #31 Top

Quoting Campaigner, reply 27
I'm a bit tired and I don't understand what the alarm is about.

so the mall tracks your phone. But how can they know whos phone it is?

And how does this benefit the mall? I don't get it
End of Campaigner's quote

They track the phone.  You pay by credit card at a register.  They have your identity and can then know where YOU are in the entire mall, not just some anonymous phone holder.

Think of it like that dinky Nascar coverage where each car going around [on telly] has the guy's name and an arrow pointing at the cars as they go round.

Or...

Think of it as laboratory mice with an ink tattoo on their backs....wandering through the lab's maze for the enjoyment of some 'superior being'.

1984.

Reply #32 Top

@ Hey Jafo, pesky americans are not the only ones 'reinventing' the American (...er English) language.  Many linguistic studies on the changes in spoken English that occured after the Americans succeeded in their illegal rebellion indicate some non- so intuitive outcomes.  For example, many words that were pronounced in the same manner on both sides of the Atlantic in 1800CE are now pronounced with different vowel sounds only on the British side.   For example, 'vase' was pronounced with a long A sound, no inflection between the two parts of the word.  Spoken as 'ase' with a v in front.   This was common to both sides of the Atlantic.   Warp ahead to c1900CE, and now the americans still pronuced vase in the same manner.   However, the British are now pronouncing the word 'vase' with a short 'a,'  the entire word drawn out a  bit: v 'ah'   a-ah-s  and the s on the end is emphasised a little more. 

Just for more fun....  the pesky americans have changed a number of English words.  Pavement became sidewalk. Lift became elevator, wireless became elevator, 'ringing/knocking' someone up is also subject to mis understanding. 

 

Like W. Churchchill said"  "England and America are two great peoples separated by a common language."

Its all a fun romp through a post Babel world.  I wonder what the German speakers think of what we did to the language to transform it into 'English?'  Ah, those shifty vowels..... 

 

@ Phone tracking?  I have a very basic cell phone, voive, and text.  Not intereseted in all the other 'stuff.'  IS safer?  What is the mininum requiremens on the phone to allow it to be tracked in a store, mall, forever?

 

Reply #33 Top

I constantly wish America had voted for Spanish instead of English as its national language. We were so close to having a good one and it would make the whole Mexican immigration thing less of a problem. French would have been nice too. 

Reply #35 Top

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 32
Like W. Churchchill said" "England and America are two great peoples separated by a common language."
End of ElanaAhova's quote

"As", and it was George Bernard Shaw, actually.

The rest is accurate except that the biggest change to "English" came from (of all people) the Flemish printers chosen to print books in English.

As with their "gh" (as in the town of Ghent), and at the behest of the English aristocracy, they became the "counter revolutionary" force (the "revolution" being the Gutenberg printing press and its educational potential by making books far less expensive) changing the language with "th", "gh" and other letter combinations (common in Flemish) designed to distinguish (via pronounciation) between the aristocracy and the hoi polloi of the time.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting gmc2, reply 34
story on CNN regarding malls taking the initiative to stop this practice.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/28/news/economy/malls_track_shoppers_cell_phones/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3 
End of gmc2's quote

While I thank gmc2 for the follow up story, it wasn't really the malls which "initiated" the cessation. It was Senator Charles Shumer:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Two malls are axing their plans to track shoppers' cell phones, after a U.S. senator raised privacy concerns over the weekend."

Also, they did track people on "Black Friday":

"While the Cleveland-based mall management company, Forest City Commercial Management confirmed that it tracked shopper data on Black Friday, it said it now plans to pursue an easier opt-out option for consumers.

"We have temporarily suspended further trial of the technology while we work with the system developer on possible enhancements, and in deference to concerns raised by Senator Schumer," the company said. "We look forward to meeting with the senator and his staff, together with the system developer, to further explore his concerns." -ibid

I wonder what the second paragraph might imply.

These "entrepreneurs" have already pulled off their trick in England as well as Australia, according to the follow up article.

The disingenuous CEO said the following:

"Sharon Biggar, CEO of Path Intelligence, told CNNMoney that she welcomes the chance to speak with the senator directly about privacy concerns.

She points out that online retailers often track customers' movements in the digital world, without notifying shoppers or giving them an opt-in choice.

"We are simply seeking to create a level playing field for offline retailers, and believe you can do so whilst simultaneously protecting the privacy of shoppers," she said." - ibid

Indeed. She casually does not mention that her company markets that stolen information (yes, stolen: taken without the knowledge and consent of the lab rats).

I'm equally sure that for a fee she'll sell you the 'priviedge' of keeping your data private or the 'opportunity' to bid against the companies seeking to buy it.

Reply #37 Top

D*mn Scary STuff!! (Been thinkin they were already doing this & more)

Reply #38 Top

It's times like these I'm glad I can't afford a mobile phone. I'm expecting eye scanners, like in Minority Report, to be next.

 

Reply #39 Top

Tracking won't matter to me... I always use cash and my mobile phone stays at home. :w00t:

Reply #40 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 39
Tracking won't matter to me... I always use cash and my mobile phone stays at home.
End of starkers's quote

Sort of defeats the "mobile" in a mobile phone though, doesn't it?

Reply #41 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 40
Sort of defeats the "mobile" in a mobile phone though, doesn't it?
End of DrJBHL's quote

I only got it to keep in touch with one person... but now we have alternative ways and the mobile sits in my desk drawer until there is another need, which hopefully isn't soon cos I hate the damned things.  And even if I took it with me to one of those places doing this shit, it still won't do them any good.  I got me one of those real dumbed down $9.95 jobs that makes calls, receives them, sends texts and receives them, and that's it. no internet or smart shit to track,

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