Throughout history there have been crossroads that mark the beginning and end of a certain era and/or lifestyle, etc.  For example, when one tribe/nation depleted its own resources, it went to war to take those of another tribe/nation.... attrition reduced population numbers  Nature has its own methods of attrition... plagues, famine, natural disasters, etc....

So yeah, the world as we know it is at another crossroad... mankind does not need to do anything... mother nature will enforce her own population control and we as a species will have to rebuild, perhaps not from scratch but from a less advanced state to where mankind sees itself today.

Whether or not any of us is around to see this I don't know, but it will happen... nature will provide the means to a more level playing field.

Exactly...;)

It's not that hard to be even 'slightly' conscientious....

Don't buy a Prius....it costs the planet far more to make than it saves in petrol.

That'll do as a start....;)

http://dieoff.org/synopsis.htm

Once oil production starts the terminal decline, a huge population die-off is inevitable anyway.

It's estimated that without fossil fuels, Earth cannot sustain more than 2 billions of people (probably less, considering how much we have already destroyed natural sources of food like fish, topsoil, etc.)

What sort of world would be left for the survivors though? How much sufferring must they go through first? Isn't it better that people not be born than die painful or humiliating deaths from starvation, disease or war?

As to how a sterilization policy would effect gender balance: surely if there is a culture of preferring boys then people will wait until they've had a boy before volunteering. So you get lots of families with either one boy or one girl and one boy, ie, a net male majority. Or is my probability maths just flawed?

You just look at it from a Western point of view. The ultrasound machine used in the west to diagnose disease is used in India to see the sex of the unborn child. Females are 'eliminated' by some because of economic considerations.

As to 'Sterilization Policy'? Smacks too much of Dr. Mengele, for me.

Alternatives? While available, our species is simply too insane and stupid to avail itself of logic, not destroying the earth, balancing need and supply, sustainability, etc.

The whole thread is rather pointless and 'Academic' because of that. Why ask "Why?"?

I wonder if you manage to keep this stoic view once the famines start and people around you will start killing each other for basic necessities like food and fuel. ... or if you will run an scream like the rest. Sure, the laws of physics will always lead to a solution - but it may be a solution you won't live to see. 

It won't happen in my lifetime, I don't think, because basic resources have not as yet been depleted to the point of non-existence.  When fossil fuels have become a thing of the past and renewable energy sources cannot meet the demand, nature and society will implode.  Yes, nature will cull the human race to ensure its survival.

As for it being a stoic view, I tend to think it is a realistic view.. one that was precipitated by the greed of a handful of greedy corporate entities and self serving entrepreneurs. That's right, Capitalism will be the death of civilisation as we know it, sucking the life's blood from the planet and its inhabitants in their quest for exponential growth at any cost.  The fact is, there need not be shortages of food and basic needs at this point in history. 

There is still enough to go around, it's just that wealthy men/women have it concentrated to suit their own agendas while manipulating huge sections of population with shortages and gluts.... the shortages in places of high need, and the gluts in areas of lesser need... to justify wanton waste and its destruction when supply out-strips demand and profit is negated.

I mean, you don't think big business stores stuff for a rainy day, do you?  No, it costs them too much, so they cut their losses and tons and tons of food, clothing, etc gets destroyed, rather than donate it to the needy elsewhere.  No, there's no profit in doing that... and thousands of children in 3rd world countries die each week because greed in the 1st world is too great..

There are plenty of population reductions mechanisms already implemented.  Ever heard of BPA or Biphenol-A?  You see those population control methods trickling down into the ecosystems of the animal kingdom causing considerable ecodamage to the planet.  Ironic no?  Frogs born with both sexes or next to no male equipment, fresh water fish now suffering the same problems, it is slowly getting worse and all in the name of population control whether intentional or not.  BPA is suspected to be responsible for the rise of homosexuality in men as well which only furthers population control.

Population control supporters scare the bajezzus out of me.  The 10:10 environmentalist video underlines this.

WARNING: IMO it's graphic

ive been telling people in my social set since 1990 that Etheopia should have a population cull. (birth restriction) why would you even want to give birth to a child when you live in a nation that cant even feed its own, and depends on the good grace of other countries to help grow crops, set up wells, ect. its beyond me.

people might disagree, but every day of my life since i can remember ive seen ads on tv asking people in Australia to sponser children in Etheopia because they literally and i mean literally have no food, no water, no crops, and basically no homes (a slum is not a home to me) and no schooling.

basically nothing... so that is what i think they should have something in place for birth restriction...basically like china one child per couple.

'Tis a bit...but it'd probably actually work.....

...which is "unfortunate"....;p

The DeBono solution would be to 'Soylent Green' the dissenters rather than making quite so much 'mess'.

Well, I think that to read all these messages make me more and more inquiring.
Having lived in Guadeloupe, this is an example, and to see all the population which runs(drives) 4x4 and big car there, to show, because now there is that çà which(who) counts: be better that the other one!
But these people there eat not in their hunger to be the best in front of the others!
The vacationers on Côte d'Azur, who come to spend on seeing the sea, and who do not care about their children, about their education, there is only to see where goes the world!
Then from there to say that we are in overpopulation and that it is necessary to become Génocidien to exterminate children still in the stomach of their mothers or not to feed the persons in Third World countries, it is necessary to stop(arrest) there!
To limit the control of the birth? Or is the freedom?
Ah yes I forgot that we are watched!
He(It) has have a good laugh there, let us come back from years behind,where families had many children, there was not at this moment

But everybody worked the earth(ground), ate healthily, and did not run(drive) with these big cars which consume some gasoline(essence) and some energy....
Then before speaking, becoming homosexuals, about abortions, to limit the overpopulation, think of your ancestors! 

At the moment, why do not to accompany the countries which do not know the various means of contraception, to avoid arriving at extremes?

I one am had direct in my comments but I try to put myself in the place(square) of each and of course in mine..

Birth control ...........

This child was not born yet in ..........
Did you think of it?
The women as the men(people) have their wrong(disadvantage) in this not deliberate situation..... But if she(it) is wished, or is the freedom

<tinfoil hat>Control the food and you control the population.  Look at the majority of Africa.  You want to keep a people in check, and make sure they can't better themselves, starve them.  You can't think about much else when you're stomach is always empty.</tinfoil hat>

What Ethiopia needs is for other countries to stop fucking about with them.  Leave them to their own devices and they'll figure it out.  Essentially, what all those commercials are doing is creating a continent of welfare losers like here in the states.  If you give someone money and food, specifically food in their case, what incentive do they have to help themselves?

And if some dimwit comes along and says, they haven't helped themselves yet, it's because for decades we've been fucking them over.  See my previous post.  I jest about the tinfoil hat thing but the post is true.

The current situation of our world company(society) meets on the edge of the abyss, it is true that the overpopulation

 is for cause but the social education there also and a big awareness is outlined on the horizon... 
Between the good(property) and the evil put 10 nobody in 1 room(part,play) for 1 month,

 them shall try to take(bring) out there how together add 40 persons they shall destroy(annul)....

 And nevertheless it is easier in number to find a solution of exit(release).... 

The wisdom to find a solution of control of the overpopulation is evident, 

the question would be of that she(it) way by respecting our various civilization,

 customs, faiths, and development social economic so that together we can live correctly in the respect for the existence

But the current state of the humanity stops(arrests) not only in an overpopulation because the enormous

 imbalance between nations is there in the front line... 

The resources are often exploited(run) in third countries for our personal needs 

and in more after their credit note quite drawn we go their to impose a control of the population?... 

Has for a problem of consciousness There... Weapons, wars, conflicts, incomprehension between the cultures of the peoples etc. 

we would have it whole pages to be written but we forget to love his(her) fellow man. 

We forget it to find solutions together in the good(property)

 to be and the wisdom of the life which we in summer datum as long as we so show ourselves 

as I read on some I find disgusting to see people with so much hatred in their comments...
Sincerely in the IT era which we live, the union makes it a rule to find a sense(direction) of the solutions in the good(property)

 and the voucher which we have inside us.
The birth of the UNO

In June 26th, 1945 - During both world wars, it is as nothing could more prevent the violence

 from submerging the planet that took shape the attempts of universal organization of the peace, 

as if the peoples had needed to look beyond the abyss which they could not avoid any more.

However new is the union of the government of our planet which of climatic order does not support(bear) 

us any more the question of our overpopulation already reached(affected) 

at present is to have to check(control) not only but to find necessarily a solution of the current state, 

humanely in the good(property) by taking into account everything.

We are going all to have to without exceptions change our lifestyle. Because the climate of our planet will not give us of time(weather).
The social, economic consequences and the movement of the population are inevitable.
At the same time as an awareness of our current overpopulation we have to learn to live differed lies.
And then establish a control of the population in compliance with rules of socioeconomic healthy life beyond our countries and continents.
With a balance which takes into account everything the politicoreligieux parameters of the nations in the properties(goods)

We have economically and really the means which the whole world eats in its hunger and gives itself

 the possibility of evolving correctly on our planet
The costs attributed(awarded) to the wars and have our safety(security) are more enormous than a discution to find solutions peace-loving person.
The resources of our planet are still suitable if we stop deceiving it.
Our strength in the union is also big as in our destruction.
But openly humbly simply of credit note became aware to refuse to my wife to have a child 

I rebel on certain comment as I continue of quote and know that better to spread the evil consciously

 it's better to remain humble in front of the existence because our fellow man will have no more what we destroyed(annulled)

Respect à toi mon mari,

La vie commence comme çà, se respecter les uns les autres, et savoir s'apprécier à notre juste valeur, aider son prochain comme on peut s'aider soi-même.......................

Porter le monde comme on peut porter la vie, ne pas se faire de mal, et se respecter.......................................

What Ethiopia needs is for other countries to stop fucking about with them.  Leave them to their own devices and they'll figure it out.  Essentially, what all those commercials are doing is creating a continent of welfare losers like here in the states.  If you give someone money and food, specifically food in their case, what incentive do they have to help themselves?

And if some dimwit comes along and says, they haven't helped themselves yet, it's because for decades we've been fucking them over.  See my previous post.  I jest about the tinfoil hat thing but the post is true.[/quote]

But how to be also inhuman you...

thiopia
A wonderful country which shows has this only place the existance of the birth of the world... Tribes armed(equipped) by our economy to destroy(annul) itself between them..

With due respect, you were only once in the embarrassment? Financial embarrassment, or lack of food?
I do not think, because you will not hold offensive comments how you utter them!
Whether it is Ethiopia, France, Africa, India or America, every person has some blood which flows(sinks) into its veins ......
We are every equals in front of the life, regrettably so a lot of nobody think as you, how the world can get(fit) better!!!!!

évolution surpopulation in USA

You say anything and disappoint me profoundly...

PRESS CONFERENCE ON THE LEVEL OF THE WORLD POPULATION ON THE HORIZON 2100, WHICH WILL DEPEND ON POLITICS(POLICIES) TAKEN BY COUNTRIES WITH STRONG FERTILITY

The world population should reach(affect) 7 billions this year, 9,3 in 2050 and 10,1 billions in 2100, indicates a report(relationship) presented today by United Nations

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