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The Updated Enhanced AI Mod Thread

The Updated Enhanced AI Mod Thread


Updates:

Public version 1.03 live 1/18/2012 at 6:07 PM EST


 


Download links:

Link to the latest version PUBLIC version of the mod:  http://www.box.net/shared/g8lbbhpojik4tbkjn6su


I created a post that tracks the history of the AI in Demigod and it covers a good chunk of the development that has already been handled by the modding community.  If you are interested, see over here for more details:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/409712

The Project

Using the last version of peppe’s AI mod (0.26.35), I’ve started development on updated versions of the AI mod.  I’ll be releasing those versions here, tracking bugs, enhancement requests, rebalancing, etc.  I won’t be adding a new version to my combined DG installer until we make a decent amount of progress or come up with some sort of significant enhancement to justify a new release to the community at large.  It took us a long time to get reasonable adoption rate on the existing ai mod – I’d rather not force folks to redownload the bundle over and over.

The Project Team

  • Project lead:  pacov
  • Lead design/coder:  pacov
  • Lead support:  miriyaka – without miri, the majority of the changes we are looking at would not happen
  • Testers:  sledge, plaguewraith, and darkliath 
  • Contributors:  Lord_Orion

If you’d like to help in any way, we are happy to have you on the team.


Current status (what’s being worked on)

  • Build updates (removing inefficient builds and replacing them with new ones) - complete
  • Reprioritization of citadel upgrades, items, trips to the shop - largely complete - some late game tweaking still possible, but its improved quite a bit
  • Implementing a fix for AI’s with summonable minions so that they do not waste mana summoning more after the have created the max number of minions (miri created some code and I’m looking to make it work)  Resolved in 0.26.41
  • Recoding the ShouldSave functionality to improve the coding efficiency and gives us additional flexibility.  If we get this working, it will be a very solid improvement and provide more options.  - this has been implemented

Bug list (unless otherwise noted, these are all bugs from the original 0.26.35 version)

  • Stuck AI – the AI can get stuck on occasion for > 30 seconds
  • Poor scaling based on AI difficulty - this has been improved but there is still room for improvement
  • Not enough shopping trips for the AI unless it is killed or sent back the base with low HP (eg an AI could have 10k gold and still not attempt to shop and get better items) - 1 forced shopping trip at wr 4 has been added... might be good to do more, but much better now.
  • AI is not always getting fs1 in a timely manner (resolved in 0.26.39)
  • Some abilities are not being used as often as they should (a sedna, for instance, with pounce as her only ability would use it once in a blue moon) - continuing to make improvements (pent/pounce/grasp/deep freeze have all been fixed)
  • Some abilities are being used at inappropriate items and wasting mana as a result
  • Customized settings often throw the AI off.  For instance, if you set a game to being at WR10, the AI don’t shop (not sure if we want to try to code this to cover all possible settings) - improved some.
  • AI standing around at the shop at the beginning of the game (introduced in 0.26.38 – happens randomly and seems to only impact 1 ai on a team) - resolved in 0.26.40
  • Not truly a bug, but something I want to change - need to make it so the high gold dg can still buy things for themselves (resolved in 0.26.49 "siesta")
  • AI considers minions as part of a DG's army... this is good and bad - its good to target healers from time to time, but if I can make an enemy target a shambler while I'm wailing on him...

Enhancement requests (these are changes that folks would like to see happen with the AI)

  • Better healer distribution.  The over all goal would be to ensure that monks/clerics/etc are sent to appropriate players.  The basic code works fine, so this is a lower priority change imo.
  • Improve da’s shadow swap usage – plaguewraith suggests removing it completely from his build (might be a good temporary solution until we can tackle this) (removed 0.26.55)
  • Better creep farming with skills.  Plaguewraith indicated that he never saw a tb use circle of fire to farm.  This is something we could tweak, but we’d need to think it through
  • Lord-Orion suggests we remove all ub builds except for Spit/Ooze life - REMOVED 1 OF THE BUILDS 0.26.40 - still 2 left
  • Lord-Orion suggests we optimize all builds for skill dmg output as the AI cannot currently rationalize like a human can. 
  • Lord-Orion suggests we go with a basic item prioritization of 4 life/1 helm builds – I agree to some extent… (pretty much done as of 0.26.52)
  • Come up with a way for the ai’s to intelligently chain stuns or interrupts to go for kills.  In theory, the AI could be even better than a human at this if it was tied to precise timing
  • Teach the AI to teleport for ganks (this could be tricky – would probably result in a lot of pointless tp’s)
  • Find a way to help the AI manage mana better.  Early game the ai’s are almost always out of mana
  • Teach the AI when to shop!  (big improvement with 0.26.49 "siesta")
  • Have the AI always engage a simple enemy opponent if on a flag if hp is good, etc
  • Have the AI choose to engage towers on a regular basis (improved a lot since 0.26.54)
  • Have the AI refuse to run past towers in most circumstances and instead TARGET THE TOWER if no dgs around
  • Improve cataract map logic – the ai often goes into the middle of the map instead of staying in a lane.  This is probably due to the proximity of the creeps when the ai is working on capturing the middle flag (or if all flags are controlled by their team).  Ideal behavior would be to try to capture the middle flag and if its already controlled, then get into a lane on HP or Mana.
  • Override the flee functionality if there is an enemy dg and its likely possible to get a kill
  • Better decision making for flags – Ai heading over from mana side all the way to Hp without capturing mana.  this is likely due to flag weights… just not sure why it didn’t evaluate hp as the priority initially – could be some conflicting code?
  • Send the AI back to base if its low mana (sledge) – We might do something for this, but it would have to be a conditional statement – perhaps add a check to see if they are at low mana around X Ws have > X money, then run back and prioritze getting a helm as an override
  • Plaguewraith suggests removing mist from erb’s build – I’m not sure about this yet.  He says remove it or build a routine to cause erb to use it just to get rid of negative buffs – I agree that we could use a routine like that.  - mist removed in 0.26.40
  • Encourage the AI to react quickly if they are losing a flag that is near 2 or more towers (eg gold flag)
  • Increase the frequency that the AI picks up sigils – not sure about this one – I agree a good player should generally have one, but the AI might just blow a lot of money casting when it doesn’t need to and fall behind as a result.  Perhaps this becomes a conditional statement to raise the priority after ws X (0.26.47 - implemented)
  • Add an override so the ai will only go for flags like gold if the tower is down.  Add another override so the ai doesn’t go for portals early (probably WS related)
  • plaguewraith – delete the tb builds and just stick with 1 fire tb build - REMOVED 1 BUILD - only pure fire and pure ice remain 0.26.40

Change log

version 1.03
-Created new UID
-Adjusted hero/squad targeting values to increase AI skill use aggression
-Adjusted range cutoff multiliers to mitigate the chance of the AI from running past towers to cap flags
-Adjusted/fixed errors in Oak, Queen of Thorns, Unclean Beast, Regulus and Demon Assassin AI builds
-Re-enabled Sedna Pounce build and Queen of Thorns Shield_Spike build
-Homogenized AI build names so it is obvious what skills the AI is using.

version 0.28.00 BETA
- removed unclean beasts AA build as the Spit ooze build is generally a little better

version 1.02
- created new UID and incorporated all changes since version 1.01

version 0.27.09 BETA
- Disabled a substantial amount of logging (will result in a substantial performance boost for many)
- added miri's scenario name capture function to CommonUtils.lua (doesn't work now, but isn't being called)
- began to tweak ub's usage of ooze.  Reduced health activation from >= 40% hp to >= 30%.  Also reduced the deactivation health value from < 40% to < 30%
- reenabled the attack override in herogoap
- updated the flee mastergoal to set at 50% HP instead of the current 75% hp
- Added an action time to health pot usage to hopefully keep the AI from using a pot at lower HP, having the pot bring them up to full strength and then having the ai immediately sigil

version 0.27.08 BETA
- Added new action and instant status function in useitemactions to keep the AI from "double locking" flags (eg wasting locks on a flag that is locked)

version 0.27.07 BETA
- increased sigil activation health % from 45% to 50%
- added new hammerslam calculate rates function - should increase the odds that rook will slam if the unit is stunned (should work for any type of stun)
- rebalanced weights of rook's actions to bring them more into logical numbers
- rebalanced weights of erb's  actions to bring them more into logical numbers

version 0.27.06 BETA
- reduced sigil activation health % from 50% to 45%
- changed orb of defiance usage check so that it will consider using it before sigils
- removed grunt check on orb of defiance (previous the AI would refuse to use use the orb if the threat level was < 15)
- added nearby enemy hero check to orb of defiances - if no enemies nearby, then orb will not be used
- reduced the value of narmoth's ring on the AA ub build so that it is not choosen as the only item at the start of a game on nightmare difficulty
- reduced the captureflag override at the start of the game from 60 seconds to 40 seconds
- disabled the attack override to allow the ai to make its own decisions based on weight
- Reduced the reteat values if there are nearby enemy heroes and towers from 85% to 75%
- modified rules for dg vs dg fights.  AI will run if there are more enemies than allies present

 version 0.27.05 BETA
- removed the nonworking per map flag settings
- revised the generic flag settings
- disabled all existing rook builds
- added new "more balanced" hammer slam tower build

version 0.27.04 BETA
- continued to enhance the documentation in heroGOAP
- added new logic to provide a count of heroes/enemies in heroGOAP for decision making
- added rule so that the AI's goal will flee if 3 or more enemies are present vs 1 ai
- changed default value of gold and portal flags to 0.5
- increased unit.movecutoffrange from 1.2 to 2.5 in attackactions
- fixed a problem with da's new swap logic
- continuing to test out flagassets.lua - I don't think values are being loaded for each map

version 0.27.03 BETA
- removed erb's desire to cast stun as an interrupt as its not possible
- increased erb's desire to bite
- increased oak's desire to use surge to kill units
- removed sedna's desire to use silence as an interrupt as its not possible
- added comments to heroGOAP to try to track where the AI is getting stuck (NOTE - this could slow down some lower end pcs)
- added new logic to count the number of grunts near a hero for decision making purposes - previous check was based on threatlevel
- changed the balancing capture flag logic so that the AI will re-prioritize capturing flags if there is a difference of 50 in warscore
- changed AI's desire to buy capture locks from WR 4 to WR 6 - AI will not purchase them prior to WR 6

version 0.27.02 BETA
- major revamp to DA's swap ability - da will now only swap if the number of allies is > enemies near da
- disabled existing DA build
- enabled STANDARD_ASSASSIN da build (eg what most players use when playing da) now that swap is working as desired
- disabled pounce sedna build

 version 0.27.01 BETA
- updated TB's frost nova so that it is used more often

version 0.27.00 BETA
- created new UID - this is done so folks can still keep the release version 1.0 installed and try out new "beta" versions and help with testing, etc
- added additional documentation to AIGlobals.lua
- adjusted the saving routine so that angels are not saved for until ws 7
- changed the way the AI evaluates additional shopping trips.  Now based on warscore
- fixed a minor bug with reg's mark of the betrayer squad target
- added additional shopping trips (see details below)
    # SHOP PERIODS
    # Warscore >= 300, AI with most money, possible to buy fs1, at least 600 gold
    # Warrank >= 3, AI with most money, possible to buy cur1, at least 1800 gold
    # Warscore between 2450-2575, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 3100-3225, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 3800-3925, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 4150-4275, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warrank 8 OR AI already bought the upgrade, priest/angel/cats available, AI can afford the upgrade
    # Warrank 10, possible to buy giants, AI can afford the upgrade

version 1.00
- created new UID
- removed any "pacov" labeling
- changed name to Enhanced AI (peppe's original version was Enhanced_AI
- updated version name to 1.00 (numbering convention will be 1.00/1.01/etc going forward)

 version 0.26.56 (misc fixes + pounce sedna build is live)
- removed CaptureFlag goal weight from oak's pent functions
- removed CaptureFlag goal weight from rook's hammerslam functions
- removed Captureflag goal weight from tb's deep freeze functions
- removed CaptureFlag goal weight from ub's grasp functions
- removed ub's mygraspstatusfunction and replaced with DefaultStatusFunction
- removed oak's myPenitenceStatusFunction and replaced with DefaultStatusFunction
- removed sedna's myPounceStatusFunction and replaced with DefaultStatusFunction
- substantially increased sedna's desire to pounce
- re-enabled sedna's pounce_tank build

version 0.26.55
- fixed a bug that still allowed demon assassin to pick up swap
- fixed a bug with unclean beast's grasp code
- enabled new hammerslam/tower rook code and tweaked desire to hammerslam
- increased sedna's desire to pounce (did not re-enable the pounce build yet)

version 0.26.54
- removed the remaining demon assassin build and added a new build without swap per request
- reworked the valor flags weight.  Should be less desirable for AI prior to ws 8
- tweaked deep freeze to be cast much more often
- re-enabled ai priority to attack structures.  Tweaked the formula so the AI will immediately back off if any enemy dgs come into range.  This should reduce the odds of death and also keep the AI from wandering past towers for the gold flag, etc

version 0.26.53
- increased artifact weight so they will be kept if the AI purchases
- added mageslayer to the generic equipment purchase list with a priority of 110, moved godplate to 120
- enabled oak to cast surge when trying to flee

version 0.26.52
- substantially increased the odds that oak will attempt to interrupt
- removed demon assassin speed_spine build
- re-enabled the graveyard level 1 upgrade
- minor misc changes
- changed ai's desire to pick up locks from level 3 to level 4

version 0.26.51
- rebalanced the general equipment builds
- rebalanced the specific demigod equipment builds
- removed AI's desire to purchase any graveyard upgrades
- removed "cloak of invisibility" from artifact prioritization as the item does not exist

version 0.26.50
- Reduced priority from 35 to 20 for boots of speed on UB HP/ooze build to keep the AI from purchasing boots of speed as the first item if the AI is set to normal
- increased priority of grofflings plate in the general build
- substantially increased ub's desire to grasp in game
- updated flag goal for cataract to reduce the AI's desire to grab the valor flag early (eg the AI running to the middle of the map)
- increased ice tb's goal to make it use deep freeze more often (tb's abilities all need a bit of an overhaul)
- various item selection tweaks

version 0.26.49
- changed desire for flag locks to increase at wr3 instead of wr4
- adjusted AA ub build so that it will never choose mana items (unbreakable is still acceptable, though)
- implemented the "siesta."  At warrank 4, any ai (not the high gold AI), will return to base to shop as long as they have 1500 gold.  Then, towards the end of wr4, the AI that is the highgold AI will shop alone. 

version 0.26.48
- added miri's check to force the tb to stay in whatever mode its build is designed for.  This should improve the AI's usage of abilities tied to the pure ice or fire builds.  Confirmed that fire tb will stay in fire form and ice in ice form based on build.
- continued to balance item selections
- Changed Rook's favor item to blood of the fallen
- TEMPORARILY turned off the attack structure code

version 0.26.47
- made MANY balance changes - all changes are noted in the files, but too many to detail here (so I'll cover highlights)
- changed ideologies for the mod.  Before the goal was to force the AI to do everything I wanted it to do (simply buy cit upgrades) - now I'm planning on having it scale that back and focus on becoming an arse kicker
- odds your ai will have a sigil is MUCH higher - this improves survival odds ALOT
- ai will always purchase fs1/cur1/priest/angel/cats/giants - that's it.  AI will no longer get any levels of experience.
- ai will VERY OFTEN have locks - I still need to teach the AI how to use locks better though... so at least for now, it will have them...
- MANY item prioritization changes - If you understand the modding side of things a wee bit, there are 2 ways a dg chooses equipment/items:  1 - a general list that contains all recommendations.  2 - a list that is specific to demigod build.  I spent quite a bit of time improving the general list today and started working on the 2nd method that includes build specific items.  I've only started on QoT, but I will likely get her to mimic my standard QoT build for items.
- removed some additional checks to help reduce overhead of the AI

* note - I have not begun to force shopping trips on the AI outside of fs1/cur1/priest/angel/cats/giants.  I'll be looking to start phasing in shopping trips to encourage the ai to get even better items as appropriate.  AI will still shop if it gets its arse kicked, but I want to schedule some trips so the AI will get stronger at different intervals even if its doing fine.

version 0.26.46 (the getting back on track version)
- added miriyaka's changes to the save function so that we can evaluate based on warscore as well
- added saving for fs1 as a priority after ws 200
- updated value for fs1 to increase its priority to 200 after ws 300
- removed log writes from miri's savefor, etc to see if that helps the lag issue that's been mentioned
- confirmed - the generals will now choose monks if they are a normal ai with default settings (instead of saving for fs1)

version 0.26.45 (the lesser of two evils/back to basics version)
- the title gives you an idea - if you play on normal settings with 1 general ai, they will NOT purchase monks at the start.  This is not desired behavior.  But in allowing this, the AI does not freeze between ws2 and 3 for any extended duration.  Sadly, the other option right now is you get monks, but the ai stands around like an idiot at ws2.  
- Added additional documentation for the herogoap file
- disabled the trip to the shop for ws 5 to get cur2
- developed basic test code to send the ai to the base if its not the high gold ai
- backed out the changes that increased rate of fire for bite/pounce/pent.  We'll visit this again, but I'm concerned that the ai is overriding their flee function due to the high priority I put on these abilities resulting in more pointless deaths.  My goal is to simply make them use their abilities more often... not die like goofs.
- tweaked the rules for purchasing sigils.  AI will not buy them until ws 2 and only if the AI has a max health > 2750
- removed assassin sedna build again until I get back to sorting pounce

 version 0.26.44
- hopefully corrected a bug that would cause the ai wait around to purchase an upgrade if it did not have enough money of the ws for it.  This should give us new opportunies for balancing upgraded in the future.  The short version is I updated HeroGoap perform a check if the ai can afford the upgrade they are saving for before heading off to the shop.  Not enough money = no shop.  I'll be looking into explicitly sending specific ai's to shop on some sort of interval in the future
- (not a real change... but started deep dive into integrating miri's savefor function)
- removed cur2 shopping trip for now - it still gets a high priority, though

version 0.26.43
- added miriyaka's save for gold functionality
- disabled ai goal chat function from herogoap 1198

version 0.26.42
- substantially increased the rate that erebus uses bite
- substantially increased the rate that sedna uses pounce
- re-enabled assassin sedna build now that pounce is used more often
- substantially increased the rate of oak's penitence
- added another shop period at ws 4 - the ai with the most goal should head for base a 4.  This might result in a different dg being choosen for highgold after

version 0.26.41
- added miriyaka's summon shambler fix.  The code would work for QoT, Sedna, and Oculus.  I'm only implementing it for QoT as this would be a disadvantage for the Oculus build and sedna does not use yetis in the AI mod
- Removed anklet of speed from all TB builds and replaced with Blood of the Fallen.  The ai is not smart enough to use a speed fire tb build
- Removed the file mod_units. This contains fixes already in uberfix and is not needed here
- Enabled master goal chat - this is a debug function that broadcasts what the AI's goals are - you might find this annoying...
- Re-enabled code that adds a destroy structure goal for the AI.  Peppe turned this off at some point... probably for a good reason, but I did see the AI being more aggressive attacking towers, so I'm leaving this on for now.
- Made some adjustments to the flag weights on cataract.  This SHOULD end dgs running over the the mana flag at the start and then rushing to HP before they capture the mana flag.  Reduced the weight of the gold flag to encourage the ai to attack structures first.  Reduced the value of portals prior to ws8.
- Removed all oak builds and added a new shield/pent focused build
- Minor change for reg's build - added impedance bolt at level 16 instead of stats 1

version 0.26.40
- removed the code that placed a limitation on what items could be purchased at the start of the game (AIShopUtilities 736-741)
- Changed the priority level trigger from WarScore to WarRank for fs1 (AIGlobals 1433) - this appears to have resolved the ai's standing at mid issue.  The Ai will purchase fs1 at ws2 now correctly
- Changed AI's priority to get xp2-xp4 to 0.  AI will no longer purchase these upgrades
- removed mist and added coven 1 as erb's level 2 skill until we get a chance to write a routine for him to use mist to remove negative buffs
- Updated ai priority values for minotaurs to 0/5/10/15 (eg an ai will never buy the 1st level minotaurs now) - I was seeing the ai pick this up as a cheap filler if they have the money - not worth it
- Updated ai priority values for level 1 archers - dropped from 15 to 0 so the ai will never buy
- updated ai priority values for hauberk of life - dropped from 40 to 35 so that unbreakable would be chosen over this if money was available
- updated ai priority values for unbreakable - removed conditional formula and set to a static 39
- removed ub skill build spit_ooze_mana (essentially bots ub)
- removed hybrid_fire_ice build from tb (bots tb)

 version 0.26.39
pacov is learning things… :O
- reprioritized AI to purchase fs1 at ws2.  Previously, it only purchased it if made it back to base with enough money; this forces it back to base to get it if no one else has
- raised priority for currency 2.  Logic mirrors currency 1 as I want this purchased every time.  Also sending ai with the most gold to purchase at ws 5.
- removed assassin sedna build until I have a chance to look at the pounce training – assassin sed should be pouncing left and right… right now its like once in a blue moon – heal_tank sedna is solid though

version 0.26.38
removed unitstatussensors code – concerned it might be causing an issue
- tweaked erebus build so that he gets mass charm later – he’s not using it well as is

version 0.26.37
bugfix – just resolving a sytax issue

version 0.26.36
copy of peppe’s version 0.26.35
- removed 3 old sedna ability builds
- added 2 new sedna ability builds
- removed old qot ability builds
- added new qot ability build
- removed 2 old erebus ability builds
- added 2 new erebus ability builds
- uncommented some code peppe developed in UnitStatusSensors that might help resolve the frozen dgs
*note – all builds that have been added by me will be announced in team chat at the start of the game and will say “pacov” folowed by the build name.

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Reply #301 Top

version 1.00
- created new UID
- removed any "pacov" labeling
- changed name to Enhanced AI (peppe's original version was Enhanced_AI
- updated version name to 1.00 (numbering convention will be 1.00/1.01/etc going forward)

 

live now - bundling this up and including it in the combined DG installer. 

edit - here's how I'm going to handle things going forward.  I'm going to keep the 1.0 version in the combined installer.  Then, any update I make will only be released in this thread until we hit a good enough reason to add it into the combined installer. 

Once you install the 1.0 version, I won't be overwriting that until we hit some big milestone.  I'm going to create a new UID and call the mod something else for any 1.01 release and so on.  This means that we can start to build the adoption rate of v1.0 while I work on new versions here and there.  So, you will always have the 1.0 version for any game online.  Then you can install updated beta builds as standalone (and still be able to play with anyone that has 1.0.  Hope that's clear. 

Reply #302 Top

side note - going to be hosting some games using the mod this evening.

Reply #303 Top

2 good games!

 

Me think you made the AI a bit to good! Which is great!

Reply #304 Top

Just a partial log.  I probably won't upload this version for a bit.

version 0.27.00
- created new UID - this is done so folks can still keep the release version 1.0 installed and try out new "beta" versions and help with testing, etc
- dropped the first check for sigil usage from 50% HP to 40% HP in an attempt to make their usage more effective

 

NOT LIVE

I'll start keeping 2 links active in the OP.  1 for the 1.0 version.  And another for whatever the beta version is.

 

 

TESTERS - If you want to help, I could use some.  Take the 1.0 version and pay VERY close attention to when the AI is using sigils.  What I've been doing is just setup or play an XvX game with AIs. Then I watch the replay at a somewhat slow pace after Warrank 3 paying attention to fights etc.

I'm trying to isolate when the AI's make idiotic decisions and use sigils when not necessary.  I'm also trying to guage how effective the AI is generally speaking with sigils.  I need you to pay CLOSE attention to when the AI is actually using the sigil.  Make note of how much HP they have, etc.  Anything you can think of to note could be helpful.  And if you do see them use them at completely idiotic times, I need to know what the situation was... what flag were they near... was anyone chasing them... etc.  Anyway, I could use a bit of testing on the current 1.0 version so that the changes I'm making in the newest beta will be more clear (eg so I know if I'm making improvements or not).

Reply #305 Top

Concerning EAI 1.00, Uberfix1.05, high towers

Me (fun AA rook build) vs Sedna (hard, assasin_tank) on Cataract

 

I really thought that it would be a tough one. But surprisingly it was not. Killed her 11 times, never died...

 

- She bought only 3 sigils the whole game and used two of them. If was surprising to see that, after she died and respawn, didn't shop. The two sigil she used where used as it should (can't tell now if it was 50% or 40% but it felt like it is fitting well). But to use a sigil and then stay in battle can be hazardous. ;-)

- She bought only banded armor and scaled helm and nothing more. I guess it was due to a strange bug where she always buyed and sold bishop and high priests idols. Did that 3 times if I remember right, waisting her money for nothing. No surprise she was so squishy then...

- Used pounce at skill level 1, after that I haven't seen her using it.

- silence is of no use for the AI and just a waste of mana. Should be disabled for now if not used for routined actions (like silence before teleporting out for example).

Reply #306 Top
Interesting. I'll take a look at the cleric high priest thing. Ur sure she was buying and selling them over and over?
Reply #307 Top
Good feedback btw. I could still use more tests paying close attention to sigil usage. Ty!
Reply #308 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 307
Interesting. I'll take a look at the cleric high priest thing. Ur sure she was buying and selling them over and over?

The shop window was opening and closing multiple times in one shop session and money was going down. The shop window showed the cleric sign but the minions skill buttons showed III and IV changing during that shop session. So I guess the AI did that. Can't figure out another reason.

Reply #309 Top
Ok. I'll give that a look after work. Thx
Reply #310 Top

Ah... well I sorted the resell/rebuy issue.  Going to have to decide how I want to handle things (eg its probably worth it to update the combined installer version to 1.01 for that bugfix. 

Other interesting stuff... I was watching a replay where the enemy sedna had 10k and only ninoth and banded armor.  I was a bit surprised when I saw that she did not purchase a single item when at the shop (outside of upgrading to bishops).  Then, I saw she made her way to the artifact shop and bought mageslayer... because mage slayer has a higher priority than all of the other items and she could afford it, she bypassed those items for mage.  Anyway, going to have to code some new rules.

Reply #311 Top

quick thought on the stuck ai issue.  Paying very close attention to da this time... I've seen multiple times (>10 in 1 game) where the AI indicates striking an enemy AI only to see it stop just outside of range and do nothing.  variables... I've seen it with 2 allied dgs there vs 1 enemy ai standing by a tower... creeps are also nearby.

hmmm... i also wonder if this could be mana related.  It seems like leveling knocks the dg right out of the freeze as well...

SIGH... now I'm also thinking the majority of the problem is tied to attackactions.  Specifically actions associated with the findbackrow functions...

Reply #312 Top

OK - so things that I know need fixed but don't yet know how to do it. 

  1. An AI can issue a destroy structure command, but only send minions at it.  Doesn't matter if there are no grunts nearby, no enemies nearby.  The AI that issued the command will be happy to only send units at it.  The desired function would be to attack with units and self if no enemies heroes are nearby.  HeroGoap is coded so that the ai is not overridden on an attack structure goal unless certain conditions are met.  That said, somewhere else, the AI decides that attack with minions = attacking with a dg on a structure.  Note, this happens the majority of the time, but not all the time.  DEPENDING on the Ai's location when it issues the attack structure command, it may very well go up and hit the structure itself.  Anyway, I'm seeing instances where the AI has 6K hp with no one around and is only willing to attack with bishops on the tower.
  2. most stand offs begin at a specific distance from 1 ai to another (eg JUST out of range for a ranged attacker... generally speaking anyway).  These types of stand offs end one AI moves for one reason or another
Reply #313 Top

releasing an update and bundling with the combined package.  The error plague caught is worth a new release.  Thx again!

version 1.01
- updated priority values for clerics/high priest/bishops to keep the AI from going into a loop selling high priests/bishops

 

Live now

Reply #314 Top

Concerning EAI 1.01, Uberfix1.05, high towers

Me (fun AA rook build) vs Sedna (hard, assasin_tank) on Cataract

 

In general:

It was better this time, but still the old bad moves show up again and again. Walk through the middle, capture the exp flag and try to farm two lanes. Sometimes I even manage to lure it into tower fire. It is often the AIs death.

Another thing is still the skill usage. Besides silence (would skip it for heal in this build) the AI doesn't use pounce often enough. I saw it engaging me with 3500 mana at her portal without using any skill. Just auto attacking and fleeing with low life. If it is possible, spamming such skills could be a solution?

But heal is used properly I would say.

 

special events:

4. kill, 11 minutes played, WR 3 (for AI)

- had a sigil but didn't used it

 

5. kill, 14 minutes played, WR 4

- used sigil properly, it had 6000 gold after respawn but didn't shop. Had banded armor, scaled helm and clerics at that time. no pots, sigils, TPs

 

later at WR 4

-did several shop sessions in a row, bought bishops, nimoth, vlemish, sigil, 2 locks, TP, captured own portal flag back and locked it

then it ran for my portal, just past the towers, caught it at the celerity flag. Used sigil properly.

-respawn and didn't shop --> no sigil. It got killed to more times but didn't bought any sigil. Around 6000 gold in coin purse.

 

WR 6

- shopped unbreakables, sigil

- later NR, skipped scaled helm

 

8. kill

- no sigil use

 

Reply #315 Top

Concerning EAI 1.01, Uberfix1.05, high towers

Me (fun AA rook build) vs Sedna (nightmare, assasin_tank) on Cataract

 

Mainly the same. Of course, AI is a little tougher. Shopping was a little bit better this time. Still saved alot of gold to often.

AI doesn't use a sigil once, the other times like planned when available. Only freezed one time for approx. 20 sec-

 

Suggestions (may repeat myself):

- no lock when capturing own portal and no enemy DG is near

- shopping session after respawn (check for sigil)

- assasin_tank Sedna build doesn't pounce (never used pounce IV). should be checked.

- skip silence for heal or  in the assasin_tank build

- immedeatly recast monks when they're killed

- no creep farming in the middle lane

- head back to base and get a new sigil after using it (sigil use --> shop session)

- when enemy DG shows up, it should be attacked and not ignored (if it is not in attack range and not near a tower. I know it could be too difficult to tell the AI that)

 

Reply #316 Top

Does anyone from Gas powered games read here?

Pavocs whole package should really be implemented as a normal game patch. This community seams to be quite good and active and why wouldnt they listen to us if everyone told them to do so?

Anyone know if there is any company rep here?

Reply #317 Top

Maulkin - we occasionally get a visit from Sorian (GPG), but its been some time since we've heard from him.  I didn't know a hell of alot about the inner workings prior to following stardock/gpg, but here's the basic deal.  It costs money to have patches implemented.  Even if our uberfix mod and ai mods were perfect (eg the best AI in the world and uberfix making the game bug free), we still wouldn't see everything we've coded included in the game.  That's just the nature of the beast - patches cost money and unless there is money budgeted, then there won't be a patch. 

Then, consider they decide to make a patch for us.  GPG would have to assign a coder and either reverse engineer the code in uber/ai and then add it, step by step.  It's not as simple as just cutting and pasting values from the files we created (we'll techincally it could be, but that's not how things are done).  Anyway, I wouldn't hold your breath about this stuff being fully implemented in the game.  At best, we'd MAYBE (pretty big freaking maybe at this point) get one more patch - but even then, I'd lobby for a few balance changes and everything else would just be bugfixes. 

re: this mod... I spent about 2 hours last night banging my head against a wall to try to correct the frozen AI issue.  No luck.  There are just a number of things that seem to go wrong with it.  There's the "stalemate" where the AI is literally waiting to act and will actually move the moment whatever dg is holding them in the stalemate... there is the stuck during a move command issue.  Anyway, there are more than a few pieces of code that drive these actions and its taking quite a bit of searching to find them. 

edit - thx for the tests plauge - keep em coming as you like.  Your info is useful to me.

Reply #318 Top

OK - here begins our new beta versions.  I'll leave 2 links in the OP.  One for the public release build and another for the most current beta.  You can have the public release and beta release installed at the same time (they are installed into different directories and have different UIDs). I recommend everyone use the public release and use the beta builds for testing.

Here's the changelog for the beta build:


version 0.27.00 BETA
- created new UID - this is done so folks can still keep the release version 1.0 installed and try out new "beta" versions and help with testing, etc
- added additional documentation to AIGlobals.lua
- adjusted the saving routine so that angels are not saved for until ws 7
- changed the way the AI evaluates additional shopping trips.  Now based on warscore
- fixed a minor bug with reg's mark of the betrayer squad target
- added additional shopping trips (see details below)
    # SHOP PERIODS
    # Warscore >= 300, AI with most money, possible to buy fs1, at least 600 gold
    # Warrank >= 3, AI with most money, possible to buy cur1, at least 1800 gold
    # Warscore between 2450-2575, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 3100-3225, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 3800-3925, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warscore between 4150-4275, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
    # Warrank 8 OR AI already bought the upgrade, priest/angel/cats available, AI can afford the upgrade
    # Warrank 10, possible to buy giants, AI can afford the upgrade

Here's a link to the beta - I'll add this to the OP:

http://www.box.net/shared/2jregykpel48f10l3f5l

 

Reply #319 Top

hey good news and bad news.  The good news:  I solved the stuck AI problem.  And bad news:  the AI will refuse to run away and will always die.  So there... ha.

heh... anyway, I think I'm on the right track at long last. 

Reply #320 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 320
the AI will refuse to run away
 

That's probably better imo. So many battles are lost from ppl not committing to the fight and failing with aa damage.

Reply #321 Top

Quoting doggu, reply 321
That's probably better imo. So many battles are lost from ppl not committing to the fight and failing with aa damage.

well... its sounds ok for a second... but the way I overrode it was to cause the AI not to give a rip about how much HP it had (eg fleeing is not an option).  And if you make an AI do that 100% of the time... well.... not so good.  Anyway, I'm toying with some adjusted settings.  I think I'm definitely seeing some improvement now, but its not quite 100%. 

Reply #322 Top

Well I was only being 1/2 serious at first, but say you were playing with an AI and you knew it was going to fight no matter what you could make an informed decision as to whether to tele to get involved etc. The more I think about it the better I think it would be.

Reply #323 Top

Quoting doggu, reply 323
The more I think about it the better I think it would be.

heh... just trust me then.  In magic perfect world, we'd set a condition and if its like a 2v1 or the ai is on a sigil about to go off, etc, then attack like a crazy shite... this is acting that way no matter what. 

Reply #324 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 319
# SHOP PERIODS
# Warscore >= 300, AI with most money, possible to buy fs1, at least 600 gold
# Warrank >= 3, AI with most money, possible to buy cur1, at least 1800 gold
# Warscore between 2450-2575, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
# Warscore between 3100-3225, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
# Warscore between 3800-3925, AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
# Warscore between 4150-4275, NOT AI with most money, at least 1500 gold
# Warrank 8 OR AI already bought the upgrade, priest/angel/cats available, AI can afford the upgrade
# Warrank 10, possible to buy giants, AI can afford the upgrade


I could use some independent tests to confirm that the AI is shopping when expected based on WS if anyone can spare some time.  Be aware that the AI may choose not to shop if has a higher priority.  If you see this happen, please note what the circumstances were (eg I was playing a 3v3 (me + all ai) - at ws 2450, the ai with the least gold did not shop - he was fighting another dg a the time, etc). 

 

Reply #325 Top

I've played some games yet, but I haven't watched them in detail because I played myself also.

But 1 v 1 seems to be ok. There are moments, where the AI was not seen. Maybe it was shopping.

But the overall performance was not a bad one, imho (always hard AIs)

 

Nice to read that you seem to discover the idleness problem. Would be a important step for the improvment.