I think the media is doing a damn good job at turning the word "conspiracy" into an automatic "nut" where people are conditioned to put the 2 words together and therefore any information supplied or questions asked are laughed at and waved off.

Look at any article by the so-called reputable media about conspiracy theories and all are automatically biased using words like quacks or nuts.



Definition of CONSPIRE

transitive verb
: plot, contrive
intransitive verb
1 a : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement <accused of conspiring to overthrow the government>b : scheme
2 : to act in harmony toward a common end <circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts>


By this definition, the USG theorizes (NOT PROVEN) that Al Qaeda conspired the attacks of 9/11.

I challenge anyone to find a YouTube news clip or news paper article that uses the term "Conspiracy Theory" when describing an investigation into Al Qaeda and 9/11.

Find me one article or video clip that ever used "Conspiracy Theory" when describing legitimate investigations.



Popular Mechanics Debunks 911 Myths

Lets just start with the title using Myths

Now what do most Americans automatically think of when hearing or reading the word "myth". Personally I think of ghosts and unicorns. "an unfounded or false notion" or "a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence" as websters puts it.

So upon reading the title of the article, ask yourself is this objective or biased.



CLAIM vs FACT

Webster's "Claim"
3a : to assert in the face of possible contradiction : maintain <claimed that he'd been cheated>

Webster's "Fact"
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>

So upon reading the titles of the sections, ask yourself is this objective or biased. Can a person not state that all the information supplied under the "Fact" sections are also only "Claims"?

Red "Claim" vs Green "Fact"

Impact of color on marketing

Purpose – Color is ubiquitous and is a source of information. People make up their minds within 90 seconds of their initial interactions with either people or products. About 62-90 percent of the assessment is based on colors alone. So, prudent use of colors can contribute not only to differentiating products from competitors, but also to influencing moods and feelings – positively or negatively – and therefore, to attitude towards certain products. Given that our moods and feelings are unstable and that colors play roles in forming attitude, it is important that managers understand the importance of colors in marketing. The study is designed to contribute to the debate.

Findings – Findings of the study are that managers can use colors to increase or decrease appetite, enhance mood, calm down customers, and, reduce perception of waiting time, among others.

Ask yourself to think about the first ten things that pop in your head when you think of red. Then do the same when you think of green. Objective or biased?

 

The Color of Money

• Green. Beyond it's symbolic associations with nature and growth, green is the color of elastic tension, often associated with the desire for improved conditions: the search for better health, a useful life, social reform. It expresses the will in operation, firmness, constancy, and persistence. Those who possess or wish to possess high levels of self-esteem respond strongly to it. Green is associated with many forms and degrees of control.
   
• Red. Physiologically, red makes blood pressure, pulse rates, and respiration rates go up. It's an energy-expending color. Red is associated with vitality, activity, desire, appetite, and craving. Symbolically, red is blood, conquest, masculinity, the flame of the human spirit. It's the impulse toward active doing, sport, struggle, competition, eroticism, and enterprising productivity. Red is impact or force of will, distinct from green's elasticity of will. The person who favors red wants his own activities to bring him intense experiences and full living. 
    

 

 

Starting on the first page and Popular Mechanics views of anyone that questions the "Claims".

 

"has curdled into paranoia" "Wild conspiracy tales" "among extremists" "Only by confronting such poisonous claims"

extremists plural of ex·trem·ist Noun: A person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, esp. one who resorts to or advocates extreme action. More » Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary Is this not how the media describes terrorists?

Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.

 

Conspiracy Theories 101 from the New York Times

"Is the fact of this group’s growing presence on the Internet a reason for studying it in a course on 9/11? Sure. Is the instructor who discusses the group’s arguments thereby endorsing them? Not at all. It is perfectly possible to teach a viewpoint without embracing it and urging it. But the moment a professor does embrace and urge it, academic study has ceased and been replaced by partisan advocacy. And that is a moment no college administration should allow to occur."

 

And I haven't even started in on the content of this article yet.

I am not taking a microscope to Michael Moore, all I am saying is he is a liar and to not believe anything he says without taking it with a grain of salt.

Who is Popular Mechanics?

Visit Popular Mechanics Customer Service Page and click on "Contact Us" Editor and you will see an eMail  [email protected]. Now google "hearst.com"

Ever hear of William Randolph Hearst? Just do a google search and you will find links with The Rockefellers, Illuminati.

Over the next few years Hearst became the owner of 28 newspapers and magazines, including the Los Angeles Examiner, the Boston American, the Atlanta Georgian, the Chicago Examiner, the Detroit Times, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Cosmopolitan and the Washington Herald. He used his newspapers and magazines to campaign for an aggressive foreign policy. As a result of distorted and exaggerated reporting, Hearst was blamed for the war between the United States and Spain (1897-98). 

“You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war.” William Randolph Hearst

“You can crush a man with journalism.”  William Randolph Hearst

 

HOLY CRAP   and I just started 

Hearst upset the left-wing in America by being a pro-Nazi in the 1930s and a staunch anti-Communistin the 1940s.

 

Governments are a necessity if there is to be any cohesiveness to one’s society, just like the religions. It is just too easy to blame the American people for electing the idiots when all we did was elect people who told us they were going to fix everything, just like the religions. Then after the people have served their sole purpose (to elect would be liars and thieves) … they go about doing ‘whatever’, and we go about ‘assuming’ they are going to do what they said they would but don’t. We ignore their actions and go about daily life angry and upset most of the time, just like the religions. It is just too easy for most to attack secularism and ignore religious manifestations of the same things. For example … Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition: (There are many other examples too)

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1231–16th century)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )

The Great Jewish Revolt (66-70). Zealotry was described as one of the "four sects" at this time. The zealots (Jewish rebels) have been described as one of the first examples of the use of terrorism.

Most religions have both dualistic and gnostic elements which are often at odds with themselves. It seems that religious folk have no problems dismissing outright anything (everything) cruel and inhumane the religions have (still are) sponsoring as long as there is the “built into the system” that God’s will makes it right. Substitute USG for gods in the previous sentence and you have well, just what we do today, anarchy which is the desired effect.

You cannot presuppose (to make something necessary if a particular thing is to be shown to be true or false) that all men are evil??? You know this not to be true yet you persist. Are you telling me that we have free scope here ... and that you having no free scope is anything besides a disguised social slavery.

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"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." -- Sir Winston Churchill[/quote]A lot of things have been said about a lot of things, that are wise, but that doesn’t make them true (or not) … is that not the purpose (that’s politics). There are in my mind no real preferences for type of government as it is totally up to the miscreants (or not) in charge (USG in our case) to live up to their own ideals which virtually never happens. America is a perfect example!

Yep so true ... It makes me think about theology though not Kings except … your God is considered the King of kings, go figure... isn't that an exact description of the demands the religions force on the minds of their own … and of the rest of us too, if we were to allow it?

I am not sure of your point unless it is that many Brits are capricious in demeanor and rather un-educated … they are not alone there?

In a perfect world, we would all live in harmony and coexist content in our own joy.  It isn't now and never will be a human-made "perfect world".  We have to work within the imperfect--that's what we are.

My quotes weren't to prove anything just to point out that the limitations and liabilities of government and people have been long understood by many--it isn't a new thing.

I just like a Churchill's quotes--he has some real gems for a cantankerous curmudgeon--and I thought it was funny that people in England can live there oblivious to who he was.  Of course here, kids don't  really know who Nixon or Reagan were either.

If the world soccer cup is being played in the final game and each team accuses the other of cheating regarding the final and winning goal...what do you do?  You turn to a referee.

Imagine going to a game being played at an equally passionate level by two teams with totally different philosophies on what was fair and how it should be played and just saying, "Well--we'll let it work itself out."

As long as people are different and imperfect--which will be as long as we are here--we need a referee.  Government is the only referee we have been able to come up with.

I've been around the world a few times and known a lot of different people and can tell you now that if we leave it just up to individuals to govern themselves, that many individuals think it's perfectly fine to be the roving motorcycle gang from Mad Max and to take whatever they want from you.

So going on about "all government is evil and pestilence" isn't any kind of solution to anything--it's all we've got at the moment.  The American Indians had tribes--some of which worked together and some that didn't but nearly all had in common the values of treating the earth and nature with respect and care, to not take more than you need, to share from abundance, etc.  Yet at the same time these tribes almost completely (with the exception of a very few) believed in kidnapping and killing members of other tribes for glory and goods.

No society that's yet been on the earth has avoided violence and the need for governance at some point in its existence and I am always suspicious of people who want to eliminate the status quo by means of compulsion and even force so they can have it their way.  think about it--what do you think the very corrupt people who make up governments and make laws now would be doing if there were no laws and governments?

That is much better, thank you. I have always maintained the idea that most of my research needs to go into greater scrutiny when they support my understanding of things. But I look at all sides, try to remove the political (religious) nonsense and see what turns up. There is hardly a time when I take something for granted and I do not care the source. But blind faith in the veracity of the USG is an oxymoron to beat them all… but one.

There are no bad governments. It they all were run under their own ideals ... it just wouldn't matter. There are just bad people who monopolize and manipulate the moral values normally for financial gain (power).  But all countries are nationalistic, just as we are. And they value their lives and sovereignty as much as we do. But this is where the problem exasperates itself … Americans are particularly hypocritical here in that they place a much higher value on everything American and a much lesser value on other peoples, countries and organizations. Things can change in a heartbeat.
 
Before Hitler came into power, Germany was a cosmopolitan marvel of the times, however through the use of propaganda, fear and terrorism (just what the USG is doing), they transformed themselves into the hideous thing they became seemingly overnight. If you are really interested, look at the following clip by Naomi Wolf - The End of America ... before you offer all your ire on figures like Hitler.

They probably think this is another conspiracy I suppose. There is so much information available ... maybe that is the problem? I wonder if the church knows?

SO.... Many.... TOPICS

Where in the world did this come from? Is that not what we do when we form governments ... we in effect govern ourselves through the democratic process. The USG is the only self-empowered and justified entity that can take whatever they want from me. Send Mad and co. over to my place and see what they steal, you are being silly?

 

SO.... Many.... TOPICS  ... I know, whew ... how would you like to try and filter much of this nonsense and try to respond to them all

Supposed to be 9/11 though if I remember? 

I'm primarily just hitting the "United States is the Great Satan" outroar here and just suggesting that there are no angels on either side.

I am very aware of Hitler and the parallels in some aspects of our contemporary society but its a big difference in pointing to similar methods and saying, "We are just like Hitler."

When we are having jack booted thugs kicking kids naked into gas chambers after having shot there parents in front of them and conscripting young women as teens to serve as breeders for perfect babies and exterminating ethnic populations then you can say, "The United States is as bad as Nazi Germany.".  We're not there yet.  Fascism doesn't automatically equal "Hitler".

If you make the point that we are slowly tolerating fascist-like methods in the US--I completely see the parallels and have actually toldd to my own kids about that very thing.  My view is that a lot of the voices crying, "Fascists!" would be happy and even advocate communism as its replacement.

The one value we still have at least a loose hold on now is that we have constitutionally recognized emphasis on individual freedom.  Teaching people revolution doesn't mean they understand liberty.  That's a tool used by tyrants as well--which is why I mentioned some of them.  Hitler and Mao and Stalin were all revolutionaries and addressing action against some real injustices when they began.

Here's a saying I have at home, "If you go around convinced all is darkness and devote yourself to looking for it--you always find it.".

I listened to your video above and what she said about the founders intending the people to  be the patriots--that's exactly my own point.  What's at issue is when we say, "Take action!"--what sort of action are we advocating?

 

Here is a saying to hang next to it. If you go around convinced that history will not repeat itself because we have become different somehow … then you do not understand the history of human kind. You go the emotional route and bring up the holocaust and such and try to compare them to today … and you have missed the whole point. As I stated, Germany was America like with democratically elected leaders, the whole modern bit … until Hitler corrupted them.  I do not think you give enough strength to the steps pointed out that Hitler went through to make this all happen. Because those same exact steps have been accomplished by the USG right now and the handwriting is on the wall. It is a warning from the past if you will listen to it. Because these same conditions all took place in Russia, Cambodia, China and many more before their insanities. But America is different … how?

myfist0, ran across this and thought of you ... we have the same problems here too, hehehe.

You gat to love the educational system ...

Alright, this is just offensive.

Does anyone know if there is a way to block JoeUser forums from my feed? Or maybe even just a specific user (not naming any names)?

I just can't take anything you say seriously after reading this. There is absolutely nothing equivalent to the Night of the Long Knives or the Night of Broken Glass in US history. Now, normally, I try to keep my language clean on these forums, but you are either:

1) A fucking idiot,
2) Have some dumb fucking ulterior motive, or
3) Are a fucking idiot.

To trivialize such dark aspects of history is to do a disservice to all those who had the misfortune to live through them.

I am reporting this post to the forum administrators, and I truly hope to never hear from you again.

Awesome video. Funny as hell

LoA's post was almost as funny. I love online temper tantrums 

As to my Popular Mechanics post. That would be like Cheech (PM) asked to give evidence about Chong (USG) and we the people take it as gospel. ROFLMFAO

My last thought here--I'm not blind to history repeating itself--that's what 80% of my posts are referencing.  Yes, Americans could--given the right set of chance and circumstances--become like the Nazis--as could any country.

Where you jump off the diving board though is when you attempt to definitively say, "I see it--it's happening right now!".

It's subjective, speculative and fanciful to go, "Hmmm--someof our troops acted badly in some circumstances"..."Hmmm...we may have economic interests to have troops there--not just moral ones"..."Hmm...some of our politicians are corrupt and affecting our governement"...

Ah Ha!  They are becoming a full-blown fascist state and its happening tomorrow--rebel nooooow!

This sort of thing isn't debate or discussion--its just inflamatory and reactive.  it isn't a chain of logic and evidence--it's circumstantial and speculative.

It also is exactly the sugar that conspiracy nuts and crazies feed on.

And MyFist0--I do fully agree with you about the pairing of "Conspiracy" and "Nut" being automatically associated--sometimes there are conspiracies and not everyone looking at them are nuts.  We should question everything and demanding clear explanations and transparency is never a problem.  And, sure, the press isn't helping greatly in this.

Another of my sayings: "Australians would be sooo cute if it wasn't for their politics."

Moved thread to a more appropriate category.

Just think myfisto, a shame you would be cute if it were not for "YOUR" politics ... better get on the ball if you need these admirers and such, hehehe.

It sure is, hehehe. Personally, I just post articles here and the JU gods’ place them wherever they are want to, NMP. But it is interesting to note how many comments these yo-yos make as they complain about everything herein ... USG education in full view, amazing.

Personally, I might just have to relocate to Australia soon, based on the predictions of the upcoming nuclear holocaust.

This is for all those who fear not the new nuclear order of which Iran will be the ceter of discussions.

 

 

And while you are questioning everyone else ... the benign USG gets a "go past jail" card because of what ... in ones search for the truth. Sounds exactly like the same pass our religious patrons use to blanket excuse everything the bible says as un-impeachable, which is not the case either, sorry. Are you trying to say that you have Faith in the veracity of the USG?

Thank you ... whomever you are, but I do not think it will stop the moon bats from commenting complaining here, go figure. ... a more appropriate category?

It seems that reading on their own is too difficult, maybe the picture method will do it ... it works for the other children who know everything ... too. If you think there is some magnanimous reasons from the USG to “HELP” save all those idiots from themselves … and that “OIL” has nothing to do with things … think again! Bin Laden was never even charged with the murders of 9/11 ... because there was not enough evidence to charge him ... but as is usual, the USG knew better ... so they did what all 'good' politicians do, they lie through their teeth after all the sheeple will not question THEM? Is it safe to presume that Iran is in a bad way?

Is it safe to presume that Iran is in a bad way?

 

Seems a bit far-fetched. Most of those "US Military Bases" are not US bases at all. There may be a US military presence there, usually a logistic mission at a foreign military/civilian airport. The presenter would have one believe these (outside the war zone) are packed with soldiers, armor, and artillery. Most (as in the majority) of these sites are leased from the host and can be closed/removed at the their pleasure. Telling the intended audience that 20-30 (in some case fewer, much fewer) US military personnel at many these sites wouldn't be as dramatic I suppose. Some folks entertainment is another's gospel I guess. Doesn't everyone get their opinion from you tube these days???

Iran may be in a bad way, but I believe it has more to fear internally than external.

 

He didn't have me believing it, humm. All he indicated was that we have a military presence around the country. And how would we feel if our enemies had military installations surrounding America (kind of like Cuba) … any pressure there you think? Well you try to figure it out.

In case you haven’t noticed, the USG doesn’t take NO very well. Why, that would be tantamount to telling my teenager NO … Poof… end of story.

The clip was actually put together to demonstrate the “moral” reasons the USG and the Coalition of the willing has for wreaking havoc in the Middle East. The film also showed well, I guess you will have to watch more to find out, hehehe. I only mentioned Iran because its fate has already been sealed. I am not supportive of everything Ron Paul has to say, but he was spot on here. I am using a lot of YouTube lately, because people on JU have such a hard time with words of more than one syllable ... so I am trying pictures.

 

I will find you ... heheha ... you cannot hide from me!    ... whoa, what am I thinking?

No discussion of the arguments or facts, just ad hominem attacks on the source. The only 'untainted' sources are the truthers. Sad, but hardly unexpected, and clear evidence of a lack of interest in the truth.