President Trump? Talk about a debatable concept.

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Lots of talk about who might run for Republican candidate for the President of the US for 2012 but one of the more interesting ones I see is Donald Trump. Now, I remember hearing about Ross Perot back when I was little but because I did not have much interest in politics back then I knew very little about him except he sounded kinda funny and was very persistent (Edit: I mean annoying not persistent). 

Now we possibly have Donald Trump, another millionaire considering taking the big chair in the big house. I have mixed feeling about him. On the one hand I have never pictured him as a politician, especially for President of the US, so this is kinda concerning to me. On the other hand, he might be what this country needs. Someone who is not really a politician, who is straight forward and also well known. They guy has been on TV more times than Obama has, has had his own TV show, has tons of money and does not seem to be afraid to tell what’s on his mind. Now mind you he is human like everyone else and as a millionaire I am sure he’s just as much a liar as any politician.

I tend to lean Conservative in my political views so I tend to be resistant to change, I like tradition. But only when the Status Quo is good and beneficial (if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it). However the Status Quo is broken and radical, extreme change is necessary in this Gov’t because people are just too use to things being this way so much that too many think it can never be changed so why even bother. Talk about a sad state of mind. Obama ran on the concept of “change” but he brought nothing more than business as usual. Hell he has even gone as far as turning back on his promises, just like a normal politician does. Guantanamo anyone?

So what do you think? Do you think Trump may just be what we need around here or is he probably the worst option we could have? Should we simply continue to stick with the Status Quo and either vote for Obama again or pick another useless Republican politician who will simply maintain the Status Quo? I don’t know how much longer does the BS have to continue till the American people finally decide we need real change, and I don’t mean another black man or a Latino man or even a woman for President. I mean someone who will really make a difference and bring us back to what we were meant to be, even if it means some have to suffer a little along the way. No pain, no gain; I think it’s time to gain now.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

was very persistent.

No, he was not.  That is why we got Clinton.

That being said, I have been burned by Perot, so am shy to support Trump.  But even if he is not another Perot, I wonder if he is another Schwarzenegger.  IN other words has name recognition, is likable, but when elected, cannot stand the heat.  Schwarzenegger started out with high ideals, but in the end became just another hack.

If nominated, I will support him.  But not enthusiastically.

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

No, he was not. That is why we got Clinton.

You know, I meant to say annoying actually. Not sure why I wrote persistent.

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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

That being said, I have been burned by Perot, so am shy to support Trump. But even if he is not another Perot, I wonder if he is another Schwarzenegger. IN other words has name recognition, is likable, but when elected, cannot stand the heat. Schwarzenegger started out with high ideals, but in the end became just another hack.

Exactly, I just can't help but think that he will simply end up following the Status Quo. But to be honest I also can't help thinking he would definitely be something different, more different than a Black President. I guess I don't want to judge or compare him because that would make me disqualify almost anyone who runs.

If nominated, I will support him. But not enthusiastically.

I find myself considering the same but I guess it all depends who else runs and if he sticks to that same attitude he has now while running.

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Good article considering a Trump run for President.

So what do you think? Do you think Trump may just be what we need around here or is he probably the worst option we could have?

Trump saying he's considering running is not new. He considered running in 1988 and again in 2000.

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Trump saying he's considering running is not new. He considered running in 1988 and again in 2000.

This could all be more publicity and stuff too, but it would be interesting to see since they seem to be putting a lot of interest in this, the Media that is.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

So what do you think?

Not too well of Trump having a political career, especially as President. For one, he's shown himself to be too fickle not only by changing his party affiliation....was a Democrat, then a Republican in the 80's, then an Independent in the 90's, and back to Republican in 2009. But even more than that, he's changed his stance on abortion and that's the biggy for me.   Right now he's courting the conservative vote and he claims he's pro-life. The burden of proof would be on him for that.

Do you think Trump may just be what we need around here or is he probably the worst option we could have?

No. Not as President, but to his credit he's out there saying what we need to hear ......he's not mincing his words about Obama's  disastrous economic and foreign policies and the Tea Partiers like what they are hearing.

Quoting CharlesCS, reply 5
it would be interesting to see since they seem to be putting a lot of interest in this, the Media that is.

Not only the media, but the people seem to be interested in Trump as well. I just saw a poll that has him as second and even with Huckabee.  

 

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting CharlesCS, reply 3
But to be honest I also can't help thinking he would definitely be something different, more different than a Black President.

Different doesn't mean better, or that is will be different at all in the end. I believe the percentage of people that voted for Obama, because he wouldn't be the same old same old, was quite high. I say those folks were roundly fooled. Do we want another supposed "novelty" candidate? I like Trump, but not as president. I say no, for what it is worth. We have an inexperienced president now. I'd like to see someone with some political background, but not a lifetime politician (or beholding to career politicians).

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

I'd like to see someone with some political background, but not a lifetime politician

My pick is Newt Gingrich.

Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting CharlesCS, reply 2

No, he was not. That is why we got Clinton.
You know, I meant to say annoying actually. Not sure why I wrote persistent.

I can agree with that! :grin:

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

My pick is Newt Gingrich.

We do have some decent options, Newt does seem like the best option I can see. If Obama keeps screwing up as he has we could probably throw GWB out there and he might actually get somewhere. LOL.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Trump has an image problem. First off his hair. I know it shouldn't matter but between the hair and the fake tan, it screams...I dunnno, desperation? Fear of getting old? Something that makes me think of him as a dirty old man. Can't help it.

His business acumen has issues as well. He filed bankruptcy in 91, 92 then again in 2004 and Chapter 11 in 2009. I don't know how much he's worth today, but if he would have paid his DEBT instead of declaring bankruptcy, at least 3 of those times...well, he might not be rich, or as rich.

I think he's a master at using bankruptcy as a tool to keep from going broke. Not exactly the kind of credentials we need imo.

What do I like? I like that he believes (as I do) that we are at war in Iraq and Afghanistan (oil rich) and they should be paying us, in money or oil, whatever.

And I get a lot of pleasure out of watching him go after Obama's birth certificate issue. Let's face it. If there is anything to find in that whole mess, Donald Trump can afford, or has the connections, to do it. If it's out there...the Donald will find it. lol

But I couldn't vote for him. Not unless he came out with some very specific plans for the country, AND how to implement them that I agree with.

Perot did that. I remember. I voted for him! hahahah

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

 

Quoting Tova7, reply 12
I think he's a master at using bankruptcy as a tool to keep from going broke.

I didn't know anything about his bankruptcies.

But what I like about Trump is the same as what Rush Limbaugh pointed out......Trump not as Candidate, but as blueprint.

Trump has a bold, aggressive approach challenging Obama on the issues.

 

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Tova7, reply 12
I think he's a master at using bankruptcy as a tool to keep from going broke.

That is what it is for.  Chapter 13 is only meant to buy you time to repay your debts.  It is not being irresponsible as you still pay them.  Chapter 7 is the one for scoundrels (you walk away from it all).

Chapter 11 is for businesses.  And the smart business man makes sure his business money is not intermixed with his personal money.  11 can be either like 7 or 13 depending upon how bad off the company is.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

The latest has it that Trump has taken the lead in the polls with 26 percent of the vote. That's enough to call him a serious challenger.

It seems that people like him because he brings "a fresh perspective to the field." 

 

 

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 15
The latest has it that Trump has taken the lead in the polls with 26 percent of the vote. That's enough to call him a serious challenger.

It seems that people like him because he brings "a fresh perspective to the field."   

Numbers mean nothing now.  But one thing does appear to be happening.  The right is vocal on what it wants, but they are willing to vote for ABO - so the last man standing will win in 12.

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Numbers mean nothing now.

True but I imagine right now Trump is pretty puffed up about them. Getting headlines as #1 is his schtick. It's all interesting nonetheless.

 

 

 

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

Hopefully this will get some serious Republicans attention. If Trump can get this much support when he's not even actually running, just rumors and hints, imagine what it can do to a serious candidate?

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

I really hope Romney doesn't get the nomination.  I don't like him.  At all. 

Even less than I liked McCain.

It's not looking too good right now imo.

Not good at all.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Tova7, reply 19
I really hope Romney doesn't get the nomination.  I don't like him.  At all. 

Even less than I liked McCain.

It's not looking too good right now imo.

Not good at all.

We can hope for a dark horse!  I agree on Romney - too much like a moderate (first national health plan).  I like Palin and Bachman (Favorite line - republicans need to learn to fight like girls!).  Even Brewer has spunk!

It is still early, but one thing seems to be certain.  Whoever gets the nomination will probably win.  I do not see the economy getting any better for Barry.  And his mouth is going to be his downfall (when he does not use Mr. Teleprompter).

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't think Palin can win.  I know too many people who HATE B.O. but wouldn't vote for Palin.  (Thank Tina Fey!) 

I wouldn't mind her as VP, so she could go to DC and learn the culture of corruption from the inside out.  And I think she'd be on Fox day and night shouting about the corruption..lol.

Where is Condi Rice??  I really liked her.



Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Tova7, reply 21
I don't think Palin can win.  I know too many people who HATE B.O. but wouldn't vote for Palin.  (Thank Tina Fey!) 

I do not fault Tina Fey - she was just doing standup.  But the MSM sure likes to demonize her.  That is why liberals think it is funny now to trash Trig.  They have dehumanized her for being a good conservative.  ANYONE that is remotely as good as Reagan will be demonized fast and furiously so that there will be no Reagan II.  In talking to those who profess hatred for her (very few just do not like her), none can really state why they do not like her.  Other than repeat myths and lies.

I do not know if she can win, but I would vote for her in a heart beat.

Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

I like Condi Rice.

And I support Allen West, to noone's surprise.

He is a military man, pro-America, pro-Israel; he believes in G-d but is not extremely religious. He knows what he is talking about, he has seen the war. And his wife is a doctor. That means he is not afraid of women as smart or most likely smarter than he.

A most likely candidate is Mitt Romney. He can attract voters from both sides, I think. Republicans would be smart to pick him. You want a change back from Obama? You have to try to get independents and liberals on your side. I think Romney can do it. I would enthusiastically support him too.

 

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Leauki, reply 23
You have to try to get independents and liberals on your side. I think Romney can do it.

While this is very true, one must not forget the lesson of Reagan either.  In otherwords, a "Democrat lite" would hardly be an improvement given the dire need for financial reform.

West is for the future.  Still too green, but he is good!  And as far as getting independents - the one killer for all presidents is Inflation.  Nixon, Ford and Carter knew that.  Obama apparently does not.  That is the statistic that everyone has first hand experience with.  If inflation takes off (disregard government figures as it is evident they are cooking them), ANYONE will beat Obama.  The race card is being pulled out early - but like all hysteria - people get tired of it and it soon becomes the boy who cried wolf. 

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Well what do you folks think?

Would Obama have aired his birth certificate had it not been for Trump?