It is a post-scarcity utopia,
Evidence? This I'm genuinely interested in; what evidence is there that the Federation is a post-scarcity utopia- and thus should appear far more akin to, say, the Culture, than the UFP.
First of all i did not name you anywhere so stop thinking of yourself as the center of the universe, my comments were directed at one side not you in particular.
I'm the only active pro-Wars debater at the moment. That would naturally indicate that you're responding to me.
If a gun in the trek universe is shown to vaporice a person with a normal strength blast without any odd factors influencing the result then a gun in the trek universe CAN VAPORIZE A MAN IN 1 NORMAL BLAST.
No vapor, no vaporization. And you still haven't answered the issue that, if they do indeed vaporize, then why aren't the firers killed when such weapons are used in close-quarters? Rapidly expanding flash-steamed human being is lethal.
I'll also note that nadion particles are canon.
How do you know this? it could well be that this technology would trump star wars sensors aswell, if your going down this road i might aswell say that the ships in the federation can calibrate their shields to stop turbolasers.
1. Because Imperial sensors work on different principles to Federation models; it's only natural, considering the different design philosophies of the two powers.
2. ST shields can't be calibrated to stop non-frequency based attacks; if turbolasers had a magic frequency, your argument might hold water. As it stands, it's fallacious.
Saying things like this is just stupid, "Yeah you got your invisibility cloak that cant be detected by any form of sensors but OUR sensors would work" Why the fuck would they?
Well, to use a real-life example, Radar and Sonar stealth measures do not work on each other's detection systems. Acoustic buffering is useless against a radar ping, and vice versa.
It's the same principle.
Furthermore you want to base you your knowledge of SW's medical science on darth vader lying near the fireriver? Heres my explanation, he was a powerful force wielder which made that possibly. If you know anything abouth how much a human body can take you would know that any human beeing would be dead after spending time that close to lava, it would have cooked him alive, yet he is clearly alive. Only possibly explanation: hes powers.
First off, please at least have the courtesy to use a spellchecker on your posts. It makes reading them much easier. Secondly, both Obi-Wan and Anakin were unaffected by environmental conditions prior to Obi-Wan's defeat of Anakin. Being a Force-user would account for his ability to tenaciously cling to life and not succumb to shock and unconsciousness- but it doesn't account for his survival of the extreme heat.
For all we know, the ambient temperatures aren't that high; I submit this is the case, as Padme was able to walk about without any specialized gear- and she was pregnant at the time, thus making her less tolerant to extreme conditions.
Also the empire and the federation would not be the same, simply because that would be near impossibly.
I didn't say that they were the same; I said that they had comparably advanced medical science and technology. While they advanced down different routes, paths, and methodologies, the relative "tech level" is roughly similar.
Seeing each side knows exactly how they came to be, an offshot of that same race couldent just suddenly apprear on a different planet far away. What chanse do you think there is that humans ever come across an identical race as ourself out in the universe? If we ever meet an alien you can be sure it wont have our dna and be exactly alike. Sure they may look alike and be pretty the same, but its statistically unsound that they are the exact same.
There are humans in SW-verse. There are humans in ST-verse. Neither are appreciably different from baseline humans IRL (excepting weird psychic phenomena and Force-users), and neither are appreciably different from each other (again, excepting psychic phenomena and Force-usage).
It's the logical conclusion to draw that both settings humans are close enough that they are near-identical. Small differences from genetic drift will naturally be present- but that occurs in all populations of humans.
i said that the next salvo would turn the planet into glass, not part of it. And foliage igniton do not turn a planet to glass.
I know what you said; you needn't restate it. What I am saying is that the dialogue doesn't give as much supporting evidence as you initially claim- and that the visuals offer no supporting evidence. I also did not state or intimate that the foliage ignition would turn the planet to glass- the very act of turning a planet into a glass sphere is ludicrous.
If you meant "render the surface a glassy consistency", then I agree- it won't happen from foliage ignition. But it also won't happen in the second salvo if the first was foliage ignition.
Why the crap do i even bother, you are what is called a cantankerous man that wont listen to anything unless they agree with your own twisted personal view, but that is to be expected from someone who think every word in the bible comes from god himself! Halleluja!
Hey, that's what the Bible says. Obviously you've decided that that's incorrect, and I hope that in the future you change your mind- but that's not my job.
As for "cantankerous"- I've been courteous and polite for our entire discussion. Not sure how that applies.
Actually read through your own arguments and try to see them in an objective light, they are just silly.
Your the kind of guy that would be barred from philosophical debates because you dont know the meaning of a well reasoned debate, and yeah i know im casting a stone when sitting in a glasshouse now, what im dooing is not exactly good debate either, but what else is there to do when one are as ignorant as you.
I'll have you know that ignorance is not the cause of all things- it just so happens that far better intellectuals than myself have pronounced this judgement of the Empire squishing the Federation. You don't like it, you can always take it up with them. Most can be found on StarDestroyer.Net.
I could probably get my point across with a fist, but thats neither possibly, nor legally, nor would i take such an action.
I stand by my beliefs; your attempts with "a fist" would be in vain.
Ive had it with this crap. You are incapable of seeing the sun for your own self made clouds, there has been multiple good arguments made here yet you try to twist or ignore anything that dont agree with you. Its pathetic. I wash my hands off you, you dont exist in my world.
Going for a lock.