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Co-Op RTS Games

February 17, 2011 3:01:14 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

Once upon a time, I played Starcraft with my friends co-op style.  While much of that same experience can be had with current games, there was one feature that we enjoyed that I have not seen since.  That idea was a shared-team experience, where multiple players all control the same units.  While this could lead to arguing if you played with randoms, it was a lot of fun to allocate tasks to different team members.

Is there any current game that offers a similar experience?

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Reply #1 February 17, 2011 6:17:57 PM
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I'm wracking my memory here to try and recall which games have used a similar "shared unit" mechanic... Perhaps Warcraft 3 did, if Starcraft did. I can't recall, but it's possible the Earth: 2150 series of game did, as well.

For dedicated co-op campaigns, you could check out Red Alert 3 (OK game, shitty DRM) or Starcraft 2 (Great campaign, toxic multiplayer). I don't think either has the unit sharing you're looking for, but it's something.

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Reply #2 February 17, 2011 7:16:11 PM
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RA3 has a fairly good version in that you have to work with your ally, though it doesn't have shared units. Dunno about SC2, not heard of it being playable in co-op before.

 

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Reply #3 February 17, 2011 8:50:16 PM
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SCII can be done co-op in multiplayer, complete with shared unit control.

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Reply #4 February 17, 2011 10:32:49 PM
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Quoting SpardaSon21,
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SCII can be done co-op in multiplayer, complete with shared unit control.

 

Where at?  I know that with SC2 you can share control of YOUR units, but as far as I know there is not a mode that allows for everyone to be controlling and building with the same team.

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Reply #5 February 17, 2011 11:11:51 PM
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You can share unit control through the diplomacy options.

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Reply #6 February 17, 2011 11:18:17 PM
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Quoting zigzag,
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You can share unit control through the diplomacy options.

 

Not the same thing - that is not shared everying, ala "Team Melee" from StarCraft 1.  I did some research, and found a custom map that emulates the old way of playing - sadly, though, you cannot play it vs. overwhelming numbers of AI, or more than two players on a team.

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Reply #7 February 17, 2011 11:50:12 PM
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I have never played a game like this before but more importantly

What Happened to all the good rts'?

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Reply #8 February 17, 2011 11:57:31 PM
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The Kohan games had coop RTS - very cool.

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Reply #9 February 18, 2011 2:21:05 AM
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Supreme Commander, and to a lesser to extent it's sequel, have some of the best Co-Op RTS action around.  Starcraft II's Co-Op is pretty lacklustre, frankly.  One person spams ground units, the other spams Air units, and you steam roll your opponents.  If it's online Co-Op, then in Starcraft II whoever has highest number of Zerg players is going to win.

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Reply #10 February 18, 2011 6:08:58 AM
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I've never seen a game other then Starcraft 1 do it in exactly that way. Shame, that was a really fun mode.

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Reply #11 February 18, 2011 8:56:43 AM
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Quoting ZehDon,
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  If it's online Co-Op, then in Starcraft II whoever has highest number of Zerg players is going to win.

Lol. Only if you are a against bad players.

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Reply #12 February 18, 2011 5:01:31 PM
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Quoting ZehDon,
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One person spams ground units, the other spams Air units, and you steam roll your opponents.  If it's online Co-Op, then in Starcraft II whoever has highest number of Zerg players is going to win.

Its that simple? Wow.

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Reply #13 February 18, 2011 10:50:30 PM
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You could do this kind of coop in the original Age of Empires. This was great because one person could focus on building, upgrading, and resource management while the other took control the military. Damn I miss that.

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Reply #14 February 19, 2011 12:20:51 AM
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Age of Empiers 2 coop i build the Building my mate command the army i did miss that alot I hope coop RTS games come back out soon like that would be fun

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Reply #15 February 20, 2011 10:14:53 PM
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Isnt Dawn of War 2 singleplayer also co-op?

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Reply #16 February 20, 2011 10:49:48 PM
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sorta. Each player controls two units, instead of one player controlling 4. 

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Reply #17 February 21, 2011 12:44:00 PM
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DoW2 singleplayer isn't RTS though; it is more like a tactical RPG than anything.

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Reply #18 February 24, 2011 1:42:52 PM
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Men of War: Assault Squad has a Skirmish mode where 1-4 (or more?) players can fight the AI on one of 15 skirmish maps. Granted you don't build a base it still comes down to strategy and tactics. Units are controlled individually but from what I understand the player with the least forces always get supplied first and you can and should gift units over the course of gameplay. It requires a lot of teamwork to conquer & hold against the AI and the more you advance the better are the unit options.

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Reply #19 February 24, 2011 2:06:45 PM
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Quoting TorinReborn,
reply 11

Quoting ZehDon, reply 9  If it's online Co-Op, then in Starcraft II whoever has highest number of Zerg players is going to win.
Lol. Only if you are a against bad players.

Quoting mentalinstra,
reply 12

Quoting ZehDon, reply 9One person spams ground units, the other spams Air units, and you steam roll your opponents.  If it's online Co-Op, then in Starcraft II whoever has highest number of Zerg players is going to win.
Its that simple? Wow.

Not true, it takes tremendous skills, on par with the way the AI can't effectively use the Advent in Sins, for someone to successfully use the Zerg in StarCraft II. Zerg are in a bad place, one of the numerous reasons I haven't bought StarCraft II yet.

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Reply #20 February 24, 2011 2:15:51 PM
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Speaking of interesting RTS mechanics, anyone ever play dark reign?  Though it was only a so so game in general, it allowed for players to customize ai on individual units.  You could select a squad then set them to harass, but to come back and heal when low.  You could set the hp threshold at which they would flee and then ignore them while you concentrated on expanding/major assaults.  Anyone heard of that in another game?  That was years and years ago.  Anything newer/better with similar mechanics?

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Reply #21 February 25, 2011 3:41:08 AM
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Dark Reign was such a fun RTS, and it had a great setting too.  Most RTSes as of current emulate StarCraft, focusing on fair competitive play.  Few try to make things easier - Sup Com was a rarity in this respect.  I can't think of any others that have tweakable AI features like that.

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Reply #22 February 25, 2011 9:30:56 AM
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I would love to see that sort of AI again.  Seems odd that others have ignored such an excellent  mechanic.

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Reply #23 February 25, 2011 9:36:17 AM
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Maybe Stardock can do that kind of AI in a RTS game.   Good ideas frequently can come back if they are remembered by at least some.

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Reply #24 February 27, 2011 5:04:07 PM
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I think rise of nations had this kind of co-op experience, it was a lot of fun.

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Reply #25 March 4, 2011 5:41:08 PM
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Not recently....

 

Cossacks2 (napoleon) certainly did iirc

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