The tech tree structure is bugging me.

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Theres a bit of a pattern I'm noticing in my games that I'm not satisfied with. Because techs get more powerful as you progress through the tree, I'm finding that spreading my research out is punishing me more than helping me. I very often find myself advanced in one tree and completely neglecting the others. There are some very crucial techs midway up these trees that you kinda need to get first before you think about other trees. One that comes to mind is the training of groups of soldiers.

I can't seem to use my tech research to shape the character of my faction. With 5 different trees it would seem that I have many options, but I don't really. I'd like to see some more cross dependancy between the different trees, so that there are many paths of progression rather than just climbing one tree. I would say that the higher techs need to be more expensive in order to force people to spread out, but then the civics tree becomes the tree you need to focus on first until you get greater research capacity. Maybe the techs should be more powerful at the bottom, so that specialization happens at a later point in the game, and is more of a refinment of your capabilities than an all or nothing 'one trick pony' kinda thing.

I think that the way the system is structured creates problems that are difficult to solve. I kinda wish that if the trees can't be brought together, then maybe they should be completely separate, in that you use entirely different resources to progress in each one, so that instead of this severe trade-off of your precious research points, your kingdom can walk and chew gum at the same time, depending on what resources are available.

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top
I completely agree with your post. Perhaps, in order to make it even, you could require certain levels be met in other research topics before you research the more advanced stuff? Much like Civ, you'd require a couple different techs before the next step in other research trees. It would help keep things spread out. Or maybe just a complete overhaul of the structure to be more like Civ in that you research different, more specific techs, not broad subjects only to choose more specific techs. Perhaps somethings just shouldn't be available until you meet other requirements, like population or spell levels?.... Just throwing some ideas around...
Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

I'm somewhat in agreement here. Many of my games have been dictated by the technology choices I made. Many of a NEW player's initial reactions to the game are based on the techs they did (or didn't) bother to research.

I agree that it doesn't lend much to players specializing their faction according to research: you need virtually everything, except select parts of Adventuring and Diplomacy. The AI specializes its research, but that just leads to grossly over-effective (or crippled, in the case of not doing Empire research) AI in one area or another.

Cross-dependency is a BIG one, I think. Some higher level techs should have prereqs outside the tree itself. This is already a fundamental problem in the game as far as balance goes for equipment. You don't need the heavy duty armor and weapons to unlock their more powerful counter parts through the spellcasting tree. While the other weapons may be more affordable, it doesn't make logical or fun sense that you can bypass two entire grades of armor and weapons, in a tree that basically says "you learned how to make weapons and armor magic." Arcane weapons and armor should require the previous techs from the conquest/warfare tree.

Part of our issues, I think, has to do with the research rebalancing. It's just a lot slower now, to start, which makes getting all Lvl 2 techs by turn 200 or whatever seem a little unbalanced.

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