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It's nice to see Pirates being held accountable.

It's nice to see Pirates being held accountable.

Jammie Thomas-Rasset, a single mother of four, was found liable by a jury on Wednesday of copyright infringement for using KaZaA peer-to-peer file-sharing network to download the songs over the internet.

She was ordered to pay $US62,500 ($A62,303.74) for each of the 24 songs, a total of $US1.5 million ($A1.5 million) dollars.


Oh, shit, did I say being held accountable?  I mean having their lives ruined.  Haha, my bad.

$US62,500.00 per song.  I doubt the bands that recorded those 24 tracks made that much money off of their songs, excluding Concert ticket sales, of course.  I'm all for paying people for their hard work, however I'm also for letting the punishment fit the crime.  Placing someone under so much debt that they'll never outlive it doesn't seem like a fitting punishment to me.

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Reply #301 Top

This would be true if the market was actually free and fair. But it is not. It is ruled by greed and corporations. Laws of many countries help them.

I would believe in market system if somehow greed could be exchanged by compassion in the equation.

 

Not sure what's untrue? I only stated what I believe is fact and separated it from "extenuating circumstances" which I don't really see in this case.

In a country that allows slavery someone being pronounced a slave in the courts also had a "fair" trial.

Not a good analogy because no one's "Basic human rights" (as defined by the U.N.'s "Universal Bill of Rights") has been infringed upon.

 

 

Reply #302 Top

I think anyone would agree that $62k per song illegally downloaded is a bit stiff. The whole "but she shared via torrent thus she stole the whole store" isn't true, given human behavior at best she stole two copies and gave one to somebody else. More likely is she stole 1.25 copies.

 

Is it just a case of the courts being out of touch with reality? See the case of Pearson vs Chung to see how a judge can be off the planet mentally while his physical body is here to wreak havoc. Its a pair of lost pants that he asked $64 million for.....

 

While the internet is as free and unrestricted as it is piracy will continue. Seeing the latest batch of "the internet is losing its neutrality" stories from the US and UK I wonder if part of that argument, from the providers side, is to put tighten piracy as torrents apparently use significant bandwidth.

 

 

Reply #303 Top

This isn't an argument it's a contradiction...

No it isn't.

Yes it is....

Argument...  contradiction???

Either way, a stalemate has been reached by the participants.... er, combatants, but none of them is willing to see that. :S

 

Reply #304 Top
It's a Python quote, Starkers....;)
Reply #305 Top

I think anyone would agree that $62k per song illegally downloaded is a bit stiff. The whole "but she shared via torrent thus she stole the whole store" isn't true, given human behavior at best she stole two copies and gave one to somebody else. More likely is she stole 1.25 copies.



Is it just a case of the courts being out of touch with reality? See the case of Pearson vs Chung to see how a judge can be off the planet mentally while his physical body is here to wreak havoc. Its a pair of lost pants that he asked $64 million for.....

It's what the jury awarded. Perhaps that can be appealed. I don't know.

As for the pants case, that was tossed.

Reply #306 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 305

It's what the jury awarded. Perhaps that can be appealed. I don't know.

As for the pants case, that was tossed.

 

The pants case was to highlight that judges can be separated from reality. If a jury awarded damages of $62k per song they must be separated too.....

 

If this were the amount per song they could receive, imagine how much they would get if every pirated song was able to be claimed on. There is not enough money in the world. It sounds to me like they pushed the argument that pirating costs the industry huge dollars, thus this lady should pay huge dollars. This is a poor argument as it effectively says she should have to pay the penalty for her actions and the actions of others.

 

I don't know what the answer to piracy is, but I know its not this. I think consumerism, the need to have more even if its not needed, drives people to pirate. It also is leads to an existence where the economy is all great and mighty and the environment comes second to the needs of the economy.

 

My point is you won't ever see anyone with an interest pushing for people to consume less, but you will see complaining when people feel compelled to illegally consume more. Does this mean I condone piracy? No, I think its wrong.

Reply #307 Top

It's a Python quote, Starkers...

Yes, so it is.... still doesn't alter the fact that this contradictory argument has run its course and has nowhere else to go.

Could change the subject, tho.....

So wot about them thar pirates 'ijackin' ships orf tha East Coast of Africer? :-"

Reply #308 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 307






So wot about them thar pirates 'ijackin' ships orf tha East Coast of Africer?

 

 

couple of well aimed 5 inch shells from the forward turret would be an acceptable answer, but to the hairy armpit brigade that would be much to harsh treating these parasites the way they treat the ships they hijack... but not to me. Send the correct message at the start and these things tend to become less common. ( in some cases)

Reply #309 Top



couple of well aimed 5 inch shells from the forward turret would be an acceptable answer,

Yar, scuttle tha basterds in shark infested wa-aters, I ses. ...cos they be bringin'  a bad name ter gentlemem pirates like meself wot does no 'arm t' anybody.

:-"

Reply #310 Top

I agree the punishment is harsh. She should have agreed to the $5,000. Unfortunate all the way around.

Reply #311 Top

She will have to work hard at the local diner to pay that off. Personally I'd buy lotto tickets, there is a greater chance of paying the debt off by winning lotto than by actually working.

 

Ah, I've vented enough about this :)

Reply #312 Top

She will have to work hard at the local diner to pay that off. Personally I'd buy lotto tickets, there is a greater chance of paying the debt off by winning lotto than by actually working.

I hear there's a vacancy at her local bordello.... but then there's the risk of more children, an expense she can ill-afford...  and one which would defeat the purpose, I guess.

Oh well, she can always hope for a toilet to fall on her  o_O :(O from a passing American Airlines jet... then she could sue for the much needed funds.

:-"

Ah, I've vented enough about this

Hopefully it's contagious. ;)