Islam......peaceful....NOT!

Jeeezzz! Christianity is still way ahead in killings, tortures and malicious deceptions than any other religion on the planet.

Don't think we have forgotten how Christianity came to power. It wasn't by good arguments, evidence and common sense. It was by fear and military power alone. Still today Christianity allows itself to rape the minds of innocent kids and turn them to delusional psychotics. 

Targeting Islam, seems to have been a hobby that has been going on for some 1300 years now. Isn't it time, that Christianity began behaving as peaceful and intelligent, as Christians claim they are? Maybe throw in some humility?

At least Christians leave the heads attached (to be 'mind-raped').

BTW, exactly who is 'targeting' who, again?  I mean, you know, circa 2012.

Not even Terry Jones wants to murder all non-Christians for failing to believe.

If ExpressoKid is bent on ignoring current reality in favor of ancient history, tis his/her privilege.

Give Christians too long a leash, and you'll yourself back in the dark ages, with witch hunting, inquisition and whatnot. It still happens today that Christians see themselves crazed on something and do whatever they can to make things they way they want things to be. Freedom and Christianity is completely incompatible. There is nothing more terrorizing than Christianity. What I wonder often is why, in these times, that Christianity is legal, because the bible is actually not only a Terrorist manual, but also instruction in how to create mindless Terrorists.

Don't tell me Christianity is peaceful, because it is not. the moment Christians have the opportunity to release their violent psychosis, they will. It has happened constantly since the beginning of Christianity.

I know its not a popular view, but I view all religions as a tool put in place by men to control people. Religion isn't setup for an average person to prevail, it benefits Clergy. I have to laugh when the Pope visits a 3rd world country in his Mercedes with gold hubcaps and peasants who drink water unfit for animals drop to their knees to kiss the ground he walks on. Islam is a particularly brutal, violent, and backward religion and unlike Christianity or Judaism it always seeks to serve as a theocracy. I view it almost as a form of Nazism

When my church group visited El Salvador, they built a well so that the people wouldn't have to drink water unfit for animals.

This is the problem by "good intentions". Even Jesus had something to say about that: "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it --- lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'"

Luke 14:28-30

It's about calculating the cost(consequences) of something you want to do. The consequences of helping "poor people in El Salvador"(and turn them Christian in the same breath) can be, as described, fatal if you're not using your head. What Christians should do, is to consult with experts, not only in human health, but also what environmental impact the Christian presence and its changes could have in the local environment.

The problem is, that to most Christians, it is more important to get social points in the Christian community popularity contest called "Whom is the better Christian?" than considering the impact and following consequenses their actions may have where ever they go...

But according to Christians - everything Christians do is always good - and IF it turns out bad, then God is always there to clean up after them when he gets the time to do so...

Are you kidding me, ExpressoKid?

Islam came to be, Mohammed wrote things about not forcing people to become part of Islam, because he had 10-20 followers.

He left Mecca and found a place that was receptive to him, and then he had an army of 10,000.

Then he wrote that you shouldn't leave the heretics alive, and that everyone should be Islam.

Then, he invaded Mecca and everyone became Muslim.

So, what really prompted the violent side of Islam was the fact they had an army and that their prophet wrote to be violent.

But the MSM would tell you that it's peaceful, because they are referring to the earlier writings.

Now, if you asked a Muslim about it, they would justify it by saying that Allah gave them instruction for what was good at the time - they didn't have many followers, they shouldn't force people, they had an army, they should.

Compare that to the God of the Old Testament Bible, who took Gideon and his tens of thousands of warriors and WEEDED PEOPLE OUT until he only had 300 warriors, and then STILL won the battle, armed with pots, torches, and trumpets.

So, you've got to ask yourself, if Allah is so powerful, and was for force-conversion, why wouldn't he have been for force-conversion from the get go?

Answer:  He's not powerful, and Mohammed is a fraud who used the idea of 'religion' to seize power.  This shows, because he actually had power.  His problem was that he put his writings above the scriptures, which made the scriptures meaningless.

Compare to Jesus - He was followed everywhere.  He walked into Jerusalem to be crucified instead of crowned with his rightful title.  He gave up power repeatedly.  He had the followers to battle Rome, but that wasn't what he was here for.  He healed.  He cleared out the temple of the evil that was going on inside it.  He spoke roughly to the pharisees who couldn't see past their man-made laws.  Then, Christianity started, and it was okay for a while, and then persecuted horribly for many years.  People still came anyway, with a sword against them instead of for them, as Islam had.

Anyway, that's probably a lot more than you all wanted to know about it.

Everyone in the village is diseased and begging for clean water.

Experts not only picked out where to build the well, but helped to build it.  People who do this sort of thing for a living.

Lack of water keeps people poor, kills 2.2 million people a year, limits education, and burdens women.

Then why send a religious group? Why not instead have the church finance atheist scientists to go and sort out the problem? IF there is a problem... This is where we get in to another problem. The necessity of death. Even the necessity of death when it comes to humans. There are natural balance of life that needs to work in order for humans to even exist, but if humans are not willing to pay the price to live, all life will eventually die out. There is only so much organic matter on the planet, and to turn all organic matter in to humans, is a really bad idea for the existence of the human species. Again - ignorance is highly destructive, and ignorance is not uncommon in religious circles.

But then we have tons of other forms of death that could be dealt with as well, like the deaths of the many that are victims of experimental drugs the pharmaceutical companies send out. The death of the many caused by wars sanctioned by incompetent politicians. The starvation of people in first world countries.

Now we can raise the question - why does lack of natural resources happen? The answer is overpopulation. The more humans you save and create, the harder it will be to feed and water them all. In addition, it is not just humans that require natural resources. Animals require them too, and the natural resources themselves require each other to interact chemically to keep up the diversity that makes it possible for all organic life to exist.

So there you have it - saving those people in El Salvador sounds like it could give you the badge of being "a good person", but in reality, the consequence is absolutely fatal. In a few years the huan population will have doubled from 7 billion to 14 billion. You're gonna get really busy at that time, because with that kind of increase, there will not be food nd water enough for everyone. Already now in the Western world the water is getting lower and lower by the day... So, no - this Christian hysteria about "being good people" by helping other people is a really bad idea. As rough as it may sound, we need to get back to the attitude we had just 4000 years ago, where death was handled more maturely.

If the people of El Salvador were so desperate, they could simply organize and dig for water themselves. They would have done that, using the old knowledge from before the Christians came and "educated" them in stupidity. But since those population turned Christian, they lost that kind of practical knowledge and choose to act like little spoiled kids, rather than throw an effort.

If people prefer to pray to a god to dig a hole for them to get water, they don't deserve the water given to them by people whom actually do an effort to dig the hole.

Some years ago I walked with a Christian dude through a park. We heard the screams of a women for help and we heard the sound of slapping. My companion chose to kneel and pray for her safety. I rushed to the place, grabbed the rapist and beat him to a cripple. You know what my companion told me afterwards? That his god had heard his prayer, because god send me to rescue the female!... Of course I punched him right there, and cut all ties with him. What IS that arrogance? Christians stealing credit for everything that happens around you, unless its something bad, then Christians arefast to point to any other place and call it "Evil".

To me - from the day he said that to me - I realized that the only true evil the world has ever seen, is Christianity... 

Saladin. You're talking about Saladin. Saladin was defending himself and his people after the Christians started crusading, first using Roman power.

And just to set something straight - The Jewish God, the Catholic God, The islamic God and the Christian god - is the SAME god... Fight Allah, and you automatically fight the Christian god as well. 

In addition - there is more evidence that Saladin existed, then there is that Jesus existed. In fact - even if Jesus could put an eternal object that could not be moved and working as evidence for the existence of a religion, he never did so. It would have taken so little to leave lasting evidence behind, when you have such supernatural powers and/or you're a god - instead of just abandoning people to their own shit and have them steer you name into murder, torture, rape and whatnot. Christianity is a scam - nothing else.

No, it's not the same God, because Mohammed's writing are 'more important' than the scriptures and outweigh them, so they do not worship the God of the Old Testament, but the God of Mohammed, who is a very different person.  Jewish God, Catholic God, and Christian God are the same though.

From Wikipedia's Muhammad entry:

Muhammad gained few followers early on, and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia before he and his followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622. This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the tribes under the Constitution of Medina. After eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, in a largely peaceful conquest gained control of Mecca where he destroyed the pagan idols in the city^[16] and then sent his followers out to destroy all of the remaining pagan temples throughout Eastern Arabia.^[

So it turns out I'm talking about Muhammad.

Saladin existed in 1100s.  Muhammad in the 500-600s.

There is evidence in secular historians of the day's writing that Jesus did exist.

And oh look, there's a Bible.  An unchanged object, evidence for his existence, and it's in most homes.

What's funny to me is how smart atheists are to finally have seen through the Bible and how dumb everyone who ever walked the earth before them must be to believe in any sort of higher power. 

I don't think you understand what actually happened in Jesus' life.  People were healed with no explanation.  People who were blind, people who were lepers - people who people had known for DECADES were suddenly made whole.  How did that happen?  Why didn't the first Christians fight against these teachings if they weren't true?  Because they were true then, with eyewitness verification.  They didn't have the technology back then to have made a blind man see or a leper be healed.  So your position is, what, that it didn't happen?  I have eyewitness testimony that it DID happen.  Do you have eyewitness testimony that it didn't?  Even the pharisees, who hated Jesus (did they exist?) knew that he was performing miracles.

So how does that work with atheism?

How do the miracles that happen today work with atheism?

Also, don't forget that there are idiots from all walks of life - your Christian acquaintance sounds like one of them.  You can pray while you run.  Maybe God sent him to do it, but because he didn't, God ends up looking bad, but somebody still needed to save her.  Glad you did.

It's not a bad idea to help people.  Don't you understand what wells do?  It takes water that's stuck in the ground and brings it up to the surface, to then evaporate and rain down again, refilling the well's source in the process, and adding more water back into the cycle.

So, technically, by building more wells, we're increasing the fresh water supply, not taking away from fresh water supply that's being used somewhere else.  It's like saying, "Hey, if you drill that oil well, this other oil well will dry up faster."  If it's from the same source, sure, but if it's a different source... I don't think so.

Not to mention that fresh water is only the beginning of meeting the needs of these people.  They are also taught hygiene, and further they are told about Jesus, who loves them.  That's very important.  You see it as a way to make people stupider, but what's actually happening is that this charity is going to get them out of the cycle of poverty.

If you think it's okay to leave these people in those conditions, you can go live with them.  What, you wouldn't want to do that?  Then why should we leave them there?  Hey, while you're there you can try to convince them of how horrible God is and how Christians are just trying to rob them of their freedoms.

As for the knowledge to do it, you just told me that I needed experts to build a well.  Who in the village is the expert to build the well?  Nobody... that's why they need outside help.  They don't have any money to build a well, because instead of doing things to produce more, they are traveling miles to get to water, to haul it up to their village.  Water that's going to make them sick because the people upriver are putting things in it that aren't good to drink, because THEY don't have another water source, either.

You can come up with all the excuses you want not to help people in need, but in the end you're just apathetic about it. 

The biggest thing I can bring to the table against what you say is God.  Because I know that God is sovereign and in control, I don't worry about overpopulation like you have to.  There will be enough, or people will die.  Either way, God is in control, even though this fallen world has a lot of things in it that he didn't want for us.  Since it's the way we chose, and some of us would still choose, apparently, the world doesn't follow God's will perfectly (obviously) but he still has the reins to tug when it needs it.

Exactly!

There is nothing Muslims can do that is worse than what other people can make up about Christianity.

We really have to fear Christians!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBJg_TS-Wo

You're funny.

If we let Christians vote, they might vote for people who think like them and then they might shape society in good ways instead of the way we're going!  Don't let Christians vote.

So where does it say, that it is not the same god? and we are also entering the Which Daddy is stronger - discussion. We now have something close to a ton of religions and even more gods. Which one of them is the "stronger" one? The one that people truly should follow in order not to be cast in to hell, by anyone of them. And here we enter a new problem. Why did the one true god, that everybody claim their god is, not make sure, beyond any doubt make it so that, that god was the only one there was to worship_ Why didn't that only true god make some kind of everlasting, non-movable, magical evidence, that could not be ignored or disputed?

Anyway... Islam acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. That also means that Islam is embracing the God of Jesus as a true God. That the Christian god is called "Allah" rather than "god" is a question of language. Would you claim that people believing in "dios" are not Christians, but something else?

...And another thing that you mention here, that is in conflict. Why mention the old testament in connection with Christianity? Christians are not following the old testament. If they did, they would also follow the rules in the old testament of killing children, gays, women etc. in special circumstances. Whom decided that the old testament or parts of it should be ignored by Christians? Isn't the old testament god the same god that jesus worship on the cross? Remember the words: "Daddy why do you let them bully me? Daddy? Daddy?"

This little detail about the old testament is really important to settle, because otherwise, Christianity is just a rogue religion, that pretty much invent and pick whatever seem "right" according to the current need. That is also how Christianity turns more dangerous than any other religion in the world, because it is easy for any Christian to collect a group with any pretence selected from the bible and manipulate people to go into terrorism in the name of Jesus or god.

If the old testament god is truly the same god as the new testament god, then why are bits and parts of the old testament ignored by the worshipers? When did this god send out an indisputable decree than you could choose whatever as a Christian. If you ignore what the god of the old testament has established in the old testament, then you're working against that god and establishing a false religion. The Abrahamic god doesn't like that. 

Why have so much critique on Islam, when Christianity is just as messed up? Why do Christians not spend time on efficiently cleaning up their own ranks and set themselves straight, before attacking others? 

No no no - Don't give me that! You should know better that you're not up against just anybody here. You have to give me evidence that Jesus did this and words from the bible do not count as evidence. If the words in the bible count, then words in any book are to be taken as equally true. There HAS to be provided evidence to a claim. You could then say "why should I give anyone evidence?"
If I claim that I am Jesus, you would want some kind of evidence on that, right? I could actually be Jesus that is testing your faith in me just to see if you can be trusted before I step out in public and start a grand earthly drama. How would you know that I'm not Jesus? How would you know, that the words, that I am telling you through this forum are not true, without evidence? You can't know, and if you ask for evidence whether I am Jesus or not, I could simply tell you, that in that case, you're no true believer. 

The only thing you have in the bible, is a collection of urban legends. That's all.

I do understand the concept of a well. That's not the point. The point is, that you don't know the full impact. the bacteria and minerals they take in through the water, can be highly necessary for them to build up defenses that will help their children survive in the future. If you lead water from one area to another, you will not only lower the existing waterlevel(which is one of the largest problems in the West), another area will loose water. Clean water does not come in endless amounts you know. It goes through a long period of processing before it is drinkable. With the amount of air-pollution we have today, we can't even safety drink rainwater anymore.

But that another environment goes low in water also means that non-human species will die instead of the humans you save. Lack of wildlife will then be a problem concerning fertility of soil, which then means that drops die out. By watering and feeding humans, there has to be a loss somewhere else, and that loss, will eventually get back on the humans. We are now in the unfortunate situation, that we are already feeling the problems of overpopulation, and there are some groups out there saying "no problem if gets real bad, God will give us a miracle!"... God has never given an true miracles. God has never provided the miracle of letting an amputated limb grow back out. All the miracles that are spoken of, are so vague, that it's pathetic... and frankly it's getting a bit old. But I think it would be proper for Christians to learn about ecology from non-religious sources, because then they may understand how everything in nature is connected, and how humans are not elevated from whatever happen in nature...

If, however, you used the words as an sarcastic argument, then maybe it would be good for you to learn from here: http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html 

Good ways? What you think is good for me, is not what I think is good for me. If you impose on me something you think is good, then were did MY freedom go? Is freedom only something Christians should have? Your words alone gives me the chills, because you're actually speaking of a totalitarian state, where everything is regulated according to what YOU think is "good". Worse is that what you think is good, is something you picked up from a book, that someone else manipulated you to swallow at some point.

I can assure you, that if you force something that is good on any population with a mindset like mine, you will meet resistance  If you keep up pressing on, you will be regarded as hostile. If you still press on, violence will happen. Violence is a natural response to a hostile environment, and there is nothing that has proven itself more hostile in history than Christianity.