[1.09] Weapon/Armor Balance Problems

Overall I like the weapon balance changes I've seen so far with 1.08, but I noticed a few items that need attention:

1) There is no zero reason to take the Oak Spear vs. the War Staff. They do the same damage, neither has a modifier to Combat Speed, the War Staff costs 1 less Gold, they cost the same in materials, and the War Staff adds 1 less turn to training time. Perhaps the Oak Spear should return to 5 damage?

2) Currently the Leather Cuirass costs 5 Gold and 2 Materials, while the Helm, Armlets, and Greaves each cost 5 Gold and 5 Materials. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense (Cuirass is the biggest piece and adds the most Defense) for the Cuirass to cost 5 Gold and 5 Materials and have the Helm, Armlets, and Greaves cost 5 Gold and 2 Materials? Also note that the Metal armors are all done this way, with the limbs costing less than the Cuirass.

3) It would be nice if the Gold cost of the Light Wooden Shield could be reduced because as it is, it's too expensive to give the Dagger or the Axe any value for being 1H weapons. The Dagger only has value vs. the Staff if using a shield makes sense. Raise the materials in exchange if you want.

4) The starting Peasant for Kingdom factions has a Base Attack of 1 while any unit you create has a Base Attack of 0. As a result, if you create a new unit with a Staff, its damage is the same as the starting Peasant. Fixed in 1.09.

5) The Chain Mail Shirt is completely pointless vs. the Leather Cuirass. I suggest removing the Combat Speed penalty and the need for Materials. Maybe add a small Dodge bonus like the shields.

 

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I finally researched a good weapon 50 dmg and 1 combat  speed.... but the price was 2000 gold for it and the most i have in game is around 1000 gold and 25 gold per turn.

So that it s as good as impossible to get that sword to any of your hero troops, and to equip it to troops is also impossible because it uses an ore i have never found in the game before. (elementium i think)

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Quoting ZettaOmega, reply 1
I finally researched a good weapon 50 dmg and 1 combat  speed.... but the price was 2000 gold for it and the most i have in game is around 1000 gold and 25 gold per turn.

So that it s as good as impossible to get that sword to any of your hero troops, and to equip it to troops is also impossible because it uses an ore i have never found in the game before. (elementium i think)

 

If that's 2000 Gold in the store you need to specify because the price in the store isn't the same as when you equip troops.

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Regarding #1 in my original post:

I'm looking at Empire stuff now and the Imperial Short Sword is yet another weapon with 4 Attack, so now it looks like - War Staff > Oak/Boar Spear > Short Sword/Imperial Short Sword. That's completely opposite of what it should be...

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As of 1.09n only #3 remains.

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Somehow in fixing this the war staff was broken completely. It is now both the cheapest and best weapon for a long time.

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Quoting Carewolf, reply 5
Somehow in fixing this the war staff was broken completely. It is now both the cheapest and best weapon for a long time.

I disagree that it's the cheapest. It has a high Gold cost, and Gold is what determines how much the unit's wages are. It's also a 2H weapon. This high Gold cost often leads me to continue using Spears in many cases. I also find the Short Sword at least equally effective, although it can be insanely difficult to find a metal mine in some games.

On a separate note, I'm not sure that a War Staff should be in any way superior to a Spear.

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Quoting Trifler500, reply 6
 

Quoting Carewolf, reply 5Somehow in fixing this the war staff was broken completely. It is now both the cheapest and best weapon for a long time.
I disagree that it's the cheapest. It has a high Gold cost, and Gold is what determines how much the unit's wages are. It's also a 2H weapon. This high Gold cost often leads me to continue using Spears in many cases. I also find the Short Sword at least equally effective, although it can be insanely difficult to find a metal mine in some games.

On a separate note, I'm not sure that a War Staff should be in any way superior to a Spear.

Okay, maybe for troops but for heroes the cost is 25 gold, which makes it the second cheapest weapon. Only clubs are cheaper at 20gold.

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Talking about troops in this thread.