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Reply #76 September 14, 2010 3:01:57 PM
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This is not accurate and the reviews of other games tell the truth. When playing an RPG I would be plenty satisfied with Diablo_2 style graphics.

I'm pretty sure istaris point is that E:WOM needs to do more than draw 24(?) sprites to add a unit.  (8 facing, 8 attack, 8 move.) Units need 3d models and appropriate animations; you cant just add (say) a Great Wyrm with the same amount of effort you spend on adding another humanoid unit. 3d has a number of advantages, but it certainly makes adding fantastic creatures a lot more difficult.

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Reply #77 September 14, 2010 3:14:37 PM
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Quoting DeadlyShoe,
reply 76

This is not accurate and the reviews of other games tell the truth. When playing an RPG I would be plenty satisfied with Diablo_2 style graphics.


I'm pretty sure istaris point is that E:WOM needs to do more than draw 24(?) sprites to add a unit.  (8 facing, 8 attack, 8 move.) Units need 3d models and appropriate animations; you cant just add (say) a Great Wyrm with the same amount of effort you spend on adding another humanoid unit. 3d has a number of advantages, but it certainly makes adding fantastic creatures a lot more difficult.

I agree it's certainly more difficult, however us TBS gamers do not "expect" high resolution 3D images for "everything" as what he has written.  Thus my complaint to combat the myth on how us gamers expect high resolution 3D images for everything.  Dominions_3 and its reviews are a perfect example showing graphics play a medium or below average level of importance in comparison to other game components.

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Reply #78 September 14, 2010 3:20:44 PM
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Dominions skates by on like... 3 sprites per unit, though. Hehe.

EWOM certainly cant change to an entirely different graphics model at this point.

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Reply #79 September 14, 2010 3:55:39 PM
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Quoting DeadlyShoe,
reply 78
Dominions skates by on like... 3 sprites per unit, though. Hehe.

EWOM certainly cant change to an entirely different graphics model at this point.

I'm not saying changing to a different graphics model... just saying there's no need to place such a high importance on graphics.  Once everything with a new game is solid and working smoothly then a sequel can provide better graphics otherwise the original game can end up as a piece of trash with nice graphics.  When really most gamers would be more happy finding a diamond in the rough(below average graphics).

Actually I think Dominions_3 only has two sprites per unit.       

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Reply #80 September 14, 2010 7:02:46 PM
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"Dominions skates by on like... 3 sprites per unit, though. Hehe."

Two. If you've got a complex enough combat system, people don't seem to care much.

On the other hand, it wasn't until Dom 3 that the AI would build castles, ever.

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Reply #81 September 15, 2010 1:08:51 AM
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I just picked up MoM on GoG early today and has been feeling my way through it. I can see why people like it and I'm probably going to like it a lot and will certainly get my oh-so-great investment of $6 out of it.


That said, I feel like I've played this game before - then it hit me, it feels like Age of Wonders (right down to the interface and music). This is probably because AoW "stole" elements from MoM.

So while I think I'll like MoM (since I liked AoW a ton), I don't know if I want Elemental to be MoM 2. I feel like I can get that "fix" from AoW even though I know it's not the same.

I just think that if Elemental became MoM, I'd feel like I'm playing just a different version of AoW again - and...I can play AoW for that.

I want Elemental to be its own entity with it's own ideas, systems, and concepts.

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Reply #82 September 15, 2010 1:59:12 AM
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Quoting VR_IronMana,
reply 81
I just picked up MoM on GoG early today and has been feeling my way through it. I can see why people like it and I'm probably going to like it a lot and will certainly get my oh-so-great investment of $6 out of it.


That said, I feel like I've played this game before - then it hit me, it feels like Age of Wonders (right down to the interface and music). This is probably because AoW "stole" elements from MoM.

So while I think I'll like MoM (since I liked AoW a ton), I don't know if I want Elemental to be MoM 2. I feel like I can get that "fix" from AoW even though I know it's not the same.

I just think that if Elemental became MoM, I'd feel like I'm playing just a different version of AoW again - and...I can play AoW for that.

I want Elemental to be its own entity with it's own ideas, systems, and concepts.

I think it's safe to say Elemental is not and will not be MoM 2.

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Reply #83 September 15, 2010 5:56:35 AM
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There are a few good summons, and some nice city buffs like Brilliance, but apart from that small handful I find myself skipping 90% of the spells that are available and just researching the next level over and over until something useful shows up.  That's a big contrast to MoM where half of the spells in any branch of magic feel like "must-haves" and some games are scrapped and restarted because I only had 5 books of Nature and didn't get both Pathfinding and Water Walking.

 

Heh, yep

 




I think it's safe to say Elemental is not and will not be MoM 2.

 

Hopefully we get a mod that will duplicate it

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Reply #84 September 15, 2010 6:04:07 AM
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I hope that we don't. I'd rather have a game/mod that takes the good concepts of both games and creates a better one.

I want Overlord of Magic, not just Master. =P

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Reply #85 September 15, 2010 11:39:17 AM
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Quoting Robert Hentschke,
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I hope that we don't. I'd rather have a game/mod that takes the good concepts of both games and creates a better one.

I want Overlord of Magic, not just Master. =P

 

Exactly.

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Reply #86 September 15, 2010 1:16:57 PM
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Those who do not understand Master Of Magic are condemned to reinvent it - badly.

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Reply #87 September 15, 2010 9:00:30 PM
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Ooh, I love Mail Order Monsters!  That was such a cool game.  Still, I don't understand why people are comparin--  Master of Magic?  oooooohhhhh... nevermind...

 

/slinks back off into a corner

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Reply #88 September 18, 2010 8:17:32 PM
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Alright I've done some MoM researching and found what appears to be a better multiplayer version:  http://www.roughseas.ca/momime/

Its developer seems to have been lured away to some other game and has been away for over a year.  Perhaps some true fans of MoM can lure him back to patching the game and updating. 

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