A Tale of Two Rallies » Forum Post by Island Dog

Your point? This is America, they can say whatever they want - Right or Left, fringe or sane.

Forgive me, but this comes off as typical, and a tad underhanded, bashing of the left wing, while stroking the ego of the right. I'm guessing you can't ever find anything positive to say about the left?

Get over it; it was rallly. I say, good for both of them. I'm not a fan of Beck, or many of the speakers he had, but frankly, I don't care. Real change (that is, change for the better), comes from action and work - not celebrations and back slapping rhetoric.

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I also don't care for Sharpton. For him and his bunch, I repeat what I said.

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ID, that Sharpton photo isn't correct. I'm pretty sure his rally was out doors too.

Milonas- I'd say the point is one event was up-lifting, non-political, and positive while another was whiny, partisan political, and hateful. One bashed the other, while one made no mention of the other. You don't have to care for Beck or Palin to appreciate that money raised at the event will benefit the children of fallen warriors, although I'm sure Sharpton will accept donations as well.

Someone recently said, "Would you just as willingly and eagerly point out the hypocrisy on your ideological side?" Does "ditto for the other side" (A.K.A. "I repeat what I said") constitute "willingly and eagerly" in the scheme of things?

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KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

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I have a friend who goes to the Democratic meetings here. She said they met on Friday to clear up the Muslim rumors about Obama saying that neither he nor his father are Muslims.

Also, she said they spent some time discussing that the tea parties are funded by the elite rich billionaires and mentioned the Koch Brothers. I never heard anything about them or the connection with the tea parties. Do you know anything about this?

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Quoting Milonas,

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Your point? This is America, they can say whatever they want - Right or Left, fringe or sane.

Forgive me, but this comes off as typical, and a tad underhanded, bashing of the left wing, while stroking the ego of the right. I'm guessing you can't ever find anything positive to say about the left?

Get over it; it was rallly. I say, good for both of them. I'm not a fan of Beck, or many of the speakers he had, but frankly, I don't care. Real change (that is, change for the better), comes from action and work - not celebrations and back slapping rhetoric.

Ever hear of a "rant"? It is a blowing off of steam in a non-violent, but therapeutic way. It is quite healthy for you actually!

Whether the OP has anything nice to say about the left or not is really immaterial. He was doing a compare/contrast between 2 rallies and the amount of hate being spewed at each. At the same time tweaking the Main Stream Media for its refusal or incompetence (that part is open for debate) to do its job.

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Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,

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I have a friend who goes to the Democratic meetings here. She said they met on Friday to clear up the Muslim rumors about Obama saying that neither he nor his father are Muslims.

Also, she said they spent some time discussing that the tea parties are funded by the elite rich billionaires and mentioned the Koch Brothers. I never heard anything about them or the connection with the tea parties. Do you know anything about this?

Wow! 2 delusions in one meeting!

#1: Obama's Father was a Muslim. Perhaps as much a Muslim as most cradle Catholics are (born to it but never practicing it).

#2: I am sure the Tea Party would LOVE some billionaire money, but the truth is the Hunt Brothers are not interested in funding parties, but cornering markets. As the tea Party has become a money accepting organization, the contributors are a matter of public record, and no, unlike "moron.org" they do not have a George Soros. But that is the way the democrats operate. Blame others for your own sins.

Tell your friend that there is no crime against being a democrat. Or being ignorant. But steadfastly maintaining the latter does make one stupid.

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Yup the Glenn Beck thing reminds me of another such event. The million man march. Not a bunch of fringe lunatics at all:

KFC: the Koch brothers are - in that case - mostly likely a boogey man. They're kind of the George Soros of the right: spend a lot of money funding a lot of stuff, but all in all responsible for very little. I know one of them have a lot of involvement in the totally out-of-your-mind-batshit-insane-anti-water-fluoridation John Birch movement. The other helped start the Cato institute and I think that's the connection to the teabags that's being hocked. No idea if it's true, not even convinced that it matters....

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As an aside, much like the Million Man March, there seems to be some question as to actual attendance.

Adam Serwer causes trouble on the Plum line

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/was_the_glenn_beck_rally_turno.html

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While the official Tea Party estimates of Saturday's rally attendance may range between a gajillion and the fafillion, the company CBS hired to give an estimate placed the turnout at a respectably large 87,000, larger than the official estimates of turnout last year's 9/12 rally but no where near the estimated 1.8 million that attended Obama's inauguration.

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I'm going to guess that there's a few more than 87000 people who showed up. But still, fun because this thing is going to make the news cycle by 10am. And then the laughs will begin...

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Yep, just a bunch of fringe lunatics, right? Hundreds of thousands of people attended.

Even if it's the most estimated (five hundred thousand by NBC, six hundred and fifty thousand by beck) you still only have anywhere between one sixth of one percent of the total population of the United States and one fifth of one percent of the total population of the United States, which in the grand scheme of things, is a negligible blip on the screen. In other words, yes, just a bunch of fringe lunatics. Of course their counterparts on the far left are just as nuts, but I expect that you won't accept anything other than me silently nodding my head up and down in agreement with everything the far right says as a legitimate opinion.

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Got yyour Sharpton number's handy? LOL

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No, but considering that the picture appears to be from the inside of a church I think it's safe to assume that the left's fringe is smaller than the right's.

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Anthony R

Join Date 01/2003

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I'm surprised the Shapton rally didn't admit or have any of the traitorous trailer trash whites that support Barack Hussein.

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Even if it's the most estimated (five hundred thousand by NBC, six hundred and fifty thousand by beck) you still only have anywhere between one sixth of one percent of the total population of the United States and one fifth of one percent of the total population of the United States, which in the grand scheme of things, is a negligible blip on the screen. In other words, yes, just a bunch of fringe lunatics.

So using your logic the 1.8 million (Dan's numbers) that went to the inauguration represents approx. one half of one percent "in the Grand Scheme of things" is barely a blip on the screen. In other words, yes, just a bunch of fringe lunatics. Wonderful reasoning skills you have there DB!

I suppose the money raised for the kids of killed servicemen and women just makes you sick to your stomach? How dare those "lunatics", right? What did the inauguration donate... let's see, here it is, this is what "hope" and "change" started with:

Obama Inauguration

That's right 100+ tons of trash. Love those "green supporters". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103900.html

That's OK I guess the clean up money came from the generosity of the "government". If they can only keep it up they can fix the job problem by hiring garbage pickers.

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No, but considering that the picture appears to be from the inside of a church I think it's safe to assume that the left's fringe is smaller than the right's.

No, they were just getting back from vacation and had to stuump down in NO.

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I'm surprised the Shapton rally didn't admit or have any of the traitorous trailer trash whites that support Barack Hussein.

Isn't that guy from the NAACP half white, Ben Jealous (how appropriate), does he count?

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

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I'm guessing you can't ever find anything positive to say about the left?

No, I don't have many good things to say. The best thing about Obama is he has done more for the conservative movement than anyone I can certainly remember. People were fooled into "hope and change" which was nothing but socialism in disguise. America is rejecting it.

What is my point? Well I'm pointing out how the media judges two different rallies, and showing how one is misrepresented in the so-called media. If you listened to the MSM on Friday, you would have expected only several hundred people to show up, and that the only people attending were racist "teabaggers". All of which was wrong.

Also, she said they spent some time discussing that the tea parties are funded by the elite rich billionaires and mentioned the Koch Brothers. I never heard anything about them or the connection with the tea parties. Do you know anything about this?

All that was from a hit piece from the NYT. Ask the Tea Party groups if they have received any checks from them, the answer will always be the same. There is not "one" leader of the Tea Party groups, they are community organized. It doesn't matter though, the left has nothing better to do than call them racists and try whatever they can to discredit them. This coming from the party of George Soros. Oh the hypocrisy.

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Quoting DoomBringer90,

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Yep, just a bunch of fringe lunatics, right? Hundreds of thousands of people attended.
Even if it's the most estimated (five hundred thousand by NBC, six hundred and fifty thousand by beck) you still only have anywhere between one sixth of one percent of the total population of the United States and one fifth of one percent of the total population of the United States, which in the grand scheme of things, is a negligible blip on the screen. In other words, yes, just a bunch of fringe lunatics. Of course their counterparts on the far left are just as nuts, but I expect that you won't accept anything other than me silently nodding my head up and down in agreement with everything the far right says as a legitimate opinion.

Your math is sound. However, that does not take into account the fact that those who showed up had 2 things going for them - the means to do so (it would have been very difficult for an Alaskan to make it - even had they been well off), and the time. That is why the 1.8 million for the Obama inaugural was so significant. Not due to the ratios, but the fact that each one that did show up represented many who could not.

So if the Beckians were lunatics, what does that say for the Obamians? Perhaps not lunatics, just cultish. Ala Jim Jones.

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KFC Kickin For Christ

Join Date 11/2005

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thanks guys for the info. I did some research on both Soros and Koch Brothers and relayed the information to my very nice but gullible friend. I read her your responses and she didn't have much to say and was much more subdued than when she first told me about the meeting after being all hyped up about what they said.

By the looks of it George Soros has everyone beat. The interesting part is I found out that he is a very wealthy Jew and my friend is also Jewish. Yesterday when I asked her why the Jews are more apt to vote Democratic especially when the likes of Obama and friends are no friends of Israel she told me that the rich Jews vote Republican. She didn't know what to say after I told her Soros was a very very rich Jew.

So much information being tossed to and fro and so little critical thinking these days.

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I'm fine with the money's use, but if he could get away with it, I'm sure that beck would have tried to take it all for himself. If you can honestly say that you think that he just gave out of the goodness of his heart, you're just as nuts as you claim I am.

And of course, if the big companies would grow a pair and just hire qualified people, we wouldn't be in this mess. Of course that would mean their cries that obama is bad for business would be completely unfounded. Sure in the short term they'll take a hit to profits, but the fact that they are paying more people means those people can then spend more money, increasing profits in the long run. But of course, we can't do that while the democrats are in control, because that might mean they did something right and their popularity would go up, meaning the people might vote for them again, and we can't have that.

2 things going for them

three things actually, the two you mentioned plus the motivation to go.

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Quoting Nitro Cruiser,

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ID, that Sharpton photo isn't correct. I'm pretty sure his rally was out doors too.

Milonas- I'd say the point is one event was up-lifting, non-political, and positive while another was whiny, partisan political, and hateful. One bashed the other, while one made no mention of the other. You don't have to care for Beck or Palin to appreciate that money raised at the event will benefit the children of fallen warriors, although I'm sure Sharpton will accept donations as well.

Someone recently said, "Would you just as willingly and eagerly point out the hypocrisy on your ideological side?" Does "ditto for the other side" (A.K.A. "I repeat what I said") constitute "willingly and eagerly" in the scheme of things?

I do applaud the money they raised. Although, I'm curious at the probability of ulterior motives as well. I'm not hesitant to criticize the left (where my beliefs lay, being a moderate/slightly left wing person); in fact, i tend to criticize them more because I expect better.

As for Sharpton, blegh. I've never liked the guy. I don't care for Jesse Jackson either, but at least he's bearable when he speaks.

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Anthony R

Join Date 01/2003

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Isn't that guy from the NAACP half white, Ben Jealous (how appropriate), does he count?

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I'm fine with the money's use, but if he could get away with it, I'm sure that beck would have tried to take it all for himself. If you can honestly say that you think that he just gave out of the goodness of his heart, you're just as nuts as you claim I am.

That's a bold accusation, but I'm pretty sure that between his FOX salary and his own business ventures, Beck probably does quite well. Sharpton on the other hand, well his money comes directly from poverty and race pimping, all with a big Democrat seal of approval. People living in harmony just don't pay his bills, so he will never be for true equality, it leaves him unemployed. Victims mean cash.

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Although, I'm curious at the probability of ulterior motives as well.

Nothing political at all mentioned at the rally. Are you saying your incapable of doing such a thing for three hours? If people went to oh say a Bruce Springsteen concert based on his (often vocal) politics don't you believe attendance would be way down?

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The interesting part is I found out that he is a very wealthy Jew and my friend is also Jewish. Yesterday when I asked her why the Jews are more apt to vote Democratic especially when the likes of Obama and friends are no friends of Israel she told me that the rich Jews vote Republican. She didn't know what to say after I told her Soros was a very very rich Jew.

I asked Leauki the same question in a thread once. It actually has nothing to do with politics per se, but with the way they are raised. They are raised to believe that a community is responsible, and of course the democrat version of social welfare plays right into their up bringing. That is about the only thing they have in common with democrats, but apparently it is enough. I wonder how smart they are to be so gullible.

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Quoting DoomBringer90,

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I'm fine with the money's use, but if he could get away with it, I'm sure that beck would have tried to take it all for himself. If you can honestly say that you think that he just gave out of the goodness of his heart, you're just as nuts as you claim I am.

And of course, if the big companies would grow a pair and just hire qualified people, we wouldn't be in this mess. Of course that would mean their cries that obama is bad for business would be completely unfounded. Sure in the short term they'll take a hit to profits, but the fact that they are paying more people means those people can then spend more money, increasing profits in the long run. But of course, we can't do that while the democrats are in control, because that might mean they did something right and their popularity would go up, meaning the people might vote for them again, and we can't have that.

2 things going for them
three things actually, the two you mentioned plus the motivation to go.

#1: Your paranoia is exquisite! So the reason the economy is tanking is not due to bad policies, but due to people willing to cut off their nose to spite their face! What is your next act - pulling a unicorn out of a hat?

#2: Yes, Nancy - unemployment pay is the best jobs stimulus out there! When you are out of OPM to stimulate the economy, what is next? Printing money! That does everyone good, right? Oh! Wait! The unicorn and hat trick! My bad! I forgot about that one.

and #3: - that is a given. people with no motivation are not reading about it either. They do not care.

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