Obama Does the Right Thing

At Last

A Darfurian friend of mine, a genocide refugee, pointed me to this news story:

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/africa/US-to-Host-Summit-of-African-Leaders-97220734.html

U.S. President Barack Obama has invited 18 African leaders to Washington to commemorate their countries'  50th anniversary of independence.

Senior administration officials say the celebration will take place in early August.

They say the president will also invite young leaders from each of the countries to encourage a new generation of leadership in Africa.

(Hat tip to Mohamed Yahya.)

This appears to be a marked change of Obama's apparent policy of ignoring Africa and basically undoing all the work George W. Bush has done in Africa.

And this news came just after I read about the interview President Obama gave to Israeli television in which the President, much appreciated at this current time, made it clear that he supports Israel and went as far as publicly agreeing that Israelis have been betrayed by their "peace partners". Maybe it was a mistake he will correct soon, but I don't think even George W. Bush went as far as blaming those who broke the existing peace treaty for the breach of the peace treaty.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/interview-president-yonit-levi-israeli-tv

(Hat tip to Israellycool Dave and Little Green Footballs.)

The President's words:

And Israelis, rightly, look at the past and have skepticism about what’s possible. They see the enmity of neighbors that surround them in a very tough neighborhood. They see a track record of attempts at peace where, even when concessions were made, a deal could not be consummated. They see rockets fired from Gaza or from areas in Lebanon, and say to themselves that the hatreds or history are so deep-seated that changed is not possible.

And yet, if you think back to the founding of Israel, there were a lot of people who thought that that wasn’t possible either. And if Herzl or Ben-Gurion were looking at Israel today, they would be astonished at what they saw — a country that’s vibrant, that is growing economically at a extraordinary pace, that has overcome not just security challenges but also has been able to overcome challenges related to geography. And so that should be a great source of hope.

About Bibi:

I think that not only is Prime Minister Netanyahu a smart and savvy politician, but the fact that he is not perceived as a dove in some ways can be helpful in the sense that any successful peace will have to include the hawks and the doves, on both sides, and in the same way that Richard Nixon here in the United States was able to go to China because he had very strong anti-communist credentials, I think Prime MinisterNetanyahu may be very well positioned to bring this about.

About how he treated Bibi the last time (for which Obama was widely criticised by Republicans and Democrats including Nancy Pelosi):

Well, some of this has been greatly overstated. I mean, the last time that the Prime Minister came here, we had a terrific meeting. It was so good that it spilled over. And the reports then came out that somehow I had snubbed the Prime Minister, when in fact what had happened was the Prime Minister was interested and eager enough in working out some issues that he wanted to convene with his team, and then I came back and we had this meeting.

Next President Obama sidelines a question about the "settlement freeze". Just a few months ago the settlement freeze was the most important American demand. Now it is, according to the President, less important than actual negotiations which Bibi is willing to pursue but the Arabs are not. Perhaps Obama has realised that you cannot get the Arabs to talk by pressuring Israel.

About Iran:

So we just pursued the toughest sanctions that have ever been applied against the Iranian government. We followed those up with U.S. sanctions that are going to be tough. Allies and partners are following up with those sanctions. We want to continually ratchet up the costs of them pursuing this nuclear program.

Now, will that work? We don’t know. And we are going to continue to keep the door open for a diplomatic resolution of this challenge. But I assure you that I have not taken options off the table.

Then the President tells of his connection with Israel and American Jews:

My closeness to the Jewish American community was probably what propelled me to the U.S. Senate.

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There is a value to anonymity in terms of just being able to wander around, sit on a park bench, take your kids to get ice cream without having Secret Service and helicopters over you. That part of this life I’ll never get used to. In fact, I remember when I first visited Jerusalem, I could wander through the Old City and haggle for some gifts to bring back to Michelle, or stand at the Wailing Wall, and people didn’t know who I was. And that is a profound pleasure that is very hard to experience now.

The last time — the second time I went to the Wailing Wall, I put my prayer — and somebody pulled it out, and the next thing I know it was printed in the newspaper.

Now, that was quite a bit. And you can argue that he was not sincere and/or that he will change his opinion again or explain that he didn't mean what he said (like when he said that Jerusalem should remain undivided). But none of that is important.

He might change his opinion again or he might not. The important thing is that we have, now at this difficult time, a powerful politician with impeccable left-wing credentials speaking up for and defending Israel.

Perhaps he does it because he fears the next elections (which he has no part in), perhaps he does it because he was mugged by reality. The point is that Obama, the great hope of the international left, is, at least currently, on OUR side. Left-wingers now have to dismiss Israel AND Obama and moderates, including those who voted for Obama will increasingly recognise those left-wingers who dismiss Obama now as radicals who are simply wrong about everything.

And that's a success for Israel.

George W. Bush could have said the same thing but it wouldn't have had the same effect. Indeed, it would have steered irrational hatred for George W. Bush towards Israel.

So, thanks Obama for this. Well done.

But do remember that the reason Abbas and the PLO are moderates is because their main supporter, Saddam Hussein, was removed from power by George W. Bush, not by hope and diplomacy.

The great chance now is that Israel can sign a peace treaty with Abbas of the PLO while he is still considered the legitimate representative of the "Palestinian people" by the insane "international community". Once the peace treaty is signed, the "Palestinians" can do whatever they want in their country. It will be increasingly difficult to sell breaking a peace treaty brokered by President Obama as "legitimate resistance".

The only problem now is Jerusalem. If Israel is forced to give up Judaism's most holy site, we have once and for all time established that the Jewish people have fewer rights than other peoples. That must not happen if we want peace. And if Jerusalem's Arabs are forced to live under a PLO regime or worse, Israel will be at fault for abandoning people who accepted Israeli protection.

So any peace treaty will have to include that Israel will keep the holy sites in Jerusalem and souvereignty in Arab neighbourhoods in Jerusalem must be subject to local votes, i.e. each Arab neighbourhood will have to decide itself whether it wants to remain part of Israel or become part of an Arab state.

(Jewish "settlements" can become part of Israel or the Jews living there must be accepted as citizens of the Arab state. Similar arrangements can be made for Arab villages and cities within final Israeli borders.)

 

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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

And Obama is worse than a blind squirrel.  He had to back off of his antisemitism because

My closeness to the Jewish American community was probably what propelled me to the U.S. Senate.
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Anyone who becomes president is first and foremost a good politician.  Now we can argue that being the best at a worthless occupation is in itself useless.  But no one, not even Limbaugh, thinks he is a sorry politician.

He has done nothing of substance on the issue.  As they say, he talks the talk, but does not walk the walk.  So be thankful if you want.  I am sure the gingerbread man was for the fox helping him cross the river too.

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You don't understand, Dr. Guy.

Israel's main problem is what people think about the country. Reality has nothing to do with perception.

Israel doesn't need Obama to do anything, but Israel needs him to talk. In this case talk is worth more than action and left-wing talk is more effective than right-wing talk even if left-wing actions are useless.

If George W. Bush (not even exactly a right-winger) blames the Arabs for the situation, he is right but it doesn't help.

But if Barack Obama blames the Arabs, his followers will either have to agree or give up on the man they claimed was "their man".

 

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Obama Does the Right Thing
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That just don't sound right. No matter what he does, no matter how it looks it probably is wrong. Sorry, but the guy is evil. He hates me and I hate him. I just hope our USA makes it till we throw his sorry ass out.

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You don't understand, Dr. Guy.
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No, I do understand.  But like all your others mistakes (there have not been many), you see what you want to see, and not what is.  Indeed, what you say in this comment is mostly correct.  And I did not disagree - saying the blind squirrel found a nut.  The outcome is close to what you say, but doing the right thing for the wrong reason (or as is this case, being coerced into doing something against your principals) is not a praiseworthy event.

Mussolini made the trains run on time.  That does not make him right or a good man.

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Mussolini made the trains run on time.  That does not make him right or a good man.

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No, but it means that if you want trains to run on time, you want a Mussolini to run them.

The trick is to keep these people from running other things too. As a puppet for congress Obama would be excellent.

 

That just don't sound right. No matter what he does, no matter how it looks it probably is wrong. Sorry, but the guy is evil. He hates me and I hate him. I just hope our USA makes it till we throw his sorry ass out.

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You and I are not the important audience. Obama's support for Israel now is critical because Israel's European "friends" turned away. (I so hoped that Germany would not be among the executors this time.)

 

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No, I do understand.

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Not sure about that. You understood that Obama did the right thing here, even if accidentally or because he was forced to do so or for whatever reason. But in this case what makes this remarkable is not that it is the right thing but that it will actually help because it's coming from him.

If tomorrow David Duke walked up to a camera and defended Israel, he could be as right as Moses and yet it would destroy Israel to have him as a "friend".

But a President seen as left-wing even by moderate Democrats is the best friend Israel could have.

(And considering that Israel was founded as a socialist state by socialists, this is quite remarkable.)

 

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No, but it means that if you want trains to run on time, you want a Mussolini to run them.
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That is only half right.  Mussolini was not the only choice. 

Not sure about that. You understood that Obama did the right thing here, even if accidentally or because he was forced to do so or for whatever reason.
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Am I a generous person because the government confiscates my money and gives it to a charity?

Not sure about that. You understood that Obama did the right thing here, even if accidentally or because he was forced to do so or for whatever reason. But in this case what makes this remarkable is not that it is the right thing but that it will actually help because it's coming from him.
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Oh, I do, I just disagree with who is doing what.  HE is not doing anything.  Those who slavishly worship are.

The remarkable thing is that people will follow any celebrity and hang on their words for no other reason than their celebrity status.  A peacock is a beautiful bird.  And they did what to get to that beauty?  And does a coyote care what it looks like?

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In this case talk is worth more than action and left-wing talk is more effective than right-wing talk even if left-wing actions are useless.
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Let's hope Israel doesn't have to make a military strike on Iran. Your logic may backfire.

Obama's support for Israel now is critical because Israel's European "friends" turned away.
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Europe pretty much told Obama to get stuffed during the G-20. The honeymoon is definitely over, and Obama is stuck doing the dishes, the laundry, and most important, the shopping (I should say spending). I'm not sure a weak America is going to help anyone in the long run. Until the leader of Israel gets a DVD collection or an I-Pod from Obama, you can't be on the same level as our most trusted, respected, and stalwart allies. Mixed signals are the worst kind and both Israel and Palestinians (and their supporters) are getting just that. We see things Obama said and what he actually now does, every night over here. I wouldn't put a lot of trust in his word.

This last meeting was purely political, because the previous one polled so badly, yet spoke volumes. Wait for the wink to the Palestinians, it's coming.

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While he may have 'got it right', he had to go muck it up with his 'my middle name scares Israelis' and 'some of my best hacks are Jews' comments.

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While he may have 'got it right', he had to go muck it up with his 'my middle name scares Israelis' and 'some of my best hacks are Jews' comments.

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Yes, what was he thinking?

However, the simple sentence "Obama agrees with me and Netanyahu" does more for Jews in Europe and for Israel than any honest support from the right! While I trust the right, I rely on the left.

Obama's support for Israel is even better than David Duke's support for the PLO.

As long as I can always point out that people like Obama are consistently on Israel's side and people like David Duke and European neonazis are consistently on the Arab side, left-wing antisemities find it difficult to get their point through, no matter how many lies they have prepared.

I also enjoy the fact that my own political positions can easily be summarised as "for anything that Stormfront oppose and against everything Stormfront are for". It's not that I actually base my opinions on what they say. It's just that this is how it came out.

And most anti-fascist non-racist left-winger can say the same thing about his positions.

 

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Yes, what was he thinking?
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A lion is a lion, a Tiger is a tiger.  His thinking is transparent.  He hates Jews (not just Israeli ones, but any non-self loathing ones as well).  I am sure he regrets not hist statement but the fact he has to help Israel with empty words.

Look at it this way.  David Duke, as a by product of his racism, actually helps blacks (brings it to top of mind awareness for some who may not realize his ilk still walks the streets).  So he did good, right?  That is your argument Leauki.  That the actions of a bigot can be good - and they can.  But that still does not excuse them or merit them praise.

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But that still does not excuse them or merit them praise.

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Actually, it does.

I prefer David Duke over dishonest left-wing racists who pretend that their hatred for Jews and Africans is based on all sorts of rational explanations for why they are not racists. Duke is honest (in that sense). It doesn't help his cause, but it helps others.

That does merit praise.

And if we praise Obama for saying the right thing, then maybe he will continue to do so. I don't think his ideology outways his self-interest. He wants to be a celebrated president, and to become one, he will have to pander to those that do not love him automatically.

All the Obama fans are already on his side and change their opinion when he changes his. But people like you and I he will have to convince. And while he cannot convince you (or even me), his legacy relies on what people like you and I say about him.

The Tea Party people understand this. While many of them stand for lots of things that I (and you, I am sure) oppose, they do speak up for things that matter to us as well. And while I myself tend to be rather left-wing, I will vote for right-wingers if they support Israel. And I think there might be many Americans who are put off by the redneck image of the Tea Party movement but who look more closely into what these people stand for if the Democrats appear to idiotic on the foreign policy front.

 

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My Darfurian friend mentioned above is not convinced that Obama is the good guy.

If I am offended by how Obama treated Africa, just imagine what the Darfuris feel about that!

 

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Well, Africans are now recognized by Obama as victims of Al Qaeda racism, so I'm sure they all feel much better about their prospects.  So much better & more noble to be killed by racists than by simple terrorists.

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Well, Africans are now recognized by Obama as victims of Al Qaeda racism, so I'm sure they all feel much better about their prospects.  So much better & more noble to be killed by racists than by simple terrorists.

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I haven't heard Obama say anything about African victims of Muslim fundemantalists.

 

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In an interview earlier today with the South African Broadcasting Corporation to air in a few hours, President Obama disparaged al Qaeda and affiliated groups' willingness to kill Africans in a manner that White House aides say was an argument that the terrorist groups are racist.

Speaking about the Uganda bombings, the president said, "What you've seen in some of the statements that have been made by these terrorist organizations is that they do not regard African life as valuable in and of itself.  They see it as a potential place where you can carry out ideological battles that kill innocents without regard to long-term consequences for their short-term tactical gains."

Very good! I didn't know that. (I don't read White House press reports a lot.)

Obama seems to wake up. It's not like I (and others) haven't made that point years ago.

I don't think I have ever heard of people who hate blacks but not Jews. Unfortunately there are blacks who hate Jews. I always thought they learned it from whites or decided that somebody must be an inferior race after all.

Heck, George W. Bush made that connection which is why he was so active in ending the Sudanese Civil War and increased aid to African countries. He wanted to counteract Islamist influence with American influence. And he was right.

 

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This just came through Twitter (JulietteAkinyi, I have no idea who she is):

Of course Al Qaeda is racist; The Arabic word for Negro is 'abd,' meaning 'slave'; the Islamic Civilization destroyed black Africa...

...well before European colonialists came along; the difference? Islamic civ is *still* murdering the "abd" for conquest

She is right.

The word "abd" is indeed used to refer to Africans in Arabic. And it literally means "slave". (The same root in Hebrew means "work", "serve", "labour".)

Of course the Islamic civilisation didn't destroy all of black Africa. But it certainly destroyed East-Africa, including the Nubian and southern Sudanese civilisations.

You have never heard of them?

Part of the point really?

I am myself still learning about the marvels of the Nubian kingdoms and the history of the civilisations of the Upper Nile.

Southern Sudan is on my list for travel in the next two years.

 

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Unfortunately, his comments have less to do with condemning Al Qaeda's 'racism' than they do with planting the seed that there's little difference between Al Qaeda & the Tea Party.

While I understand that, to you at least, saying something is better than saying/doing nothing, he's not shown any particular interest in this subject before.  Certainly no action of any significance.

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Actually, it does.
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Ok Uncle!  You understand what I am saying but will never agree with me, nor I with you.  But at least you are honest in your opinion and consistent.

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Quoting Daiwa, reply 15
Well, Africans are now recognized by Obama as victims of Al Qaeda racism, so I'm sure they all feel much better about their prospects.  So much better & more noble to be killed by racists than by simple terrorists.
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Al Qaeda is many things, almost none of them good.  But Racists is not one of them.  Obama is a tool.

They do not hate Semites, just Semites who are not Muslim.  That does make them biggoted, evil and fools.  But not racists.

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(I don't read White House press reports a lot.)
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Fox and Drudge both have it.  Of course they are only American outlets that carry ALL the news.

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This just came through Twitter (JulietteAkinyi, I have no idea who she is):

Of course Al Qaeda is racist; The Arabic word for Negro is 'abd,' meaning 'slave'; the Islamic Civilization destroyed black Africa...

...well before European colonialists came along; the difference? Islamic civ is *still* murdering the "abd" for conquest

She is right.
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If the Black Muslims were smart enough to read, I wonder what they would think of that!

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If the Black Muslims were smart enough to read, I wonder what they would think of that!

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I always wondered about those black Muslims.

What made them believe that their ancestors were Muslims before they were sold into slavery? Islam never made it to the west-African coast. Plus they blame the Jews for the slave trade. But the Jews never made it to the west-African coast either. The slave trade in east-Africa and the Mediterranaean was in Muslim hands. It still is.

Ironically African-Americans, like most people, never seem to differentiate between the different African civilisations. They see the world as black and white. That's how Obama became a symbol for the descendants of slaves, despite the fact that his father came from Kenya and the slaves came from west-Africa, two completely different lands. It's like saying that a Norwegian represents Bengali culture (except that the Norwegian and Bengali languages are more closely related).