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"Punishing the unemployed"

"Punishing the unemployed"

I've written about the tendency of the derailed right to bash unemployed folks here and here. Truthfully, I still find the idea totally inexplicable. Politically it just doesn't seem right. For giggles I put this together:

Top X states for unemployment, red/blue coding of the rate based on '08's presidential election results. Obviously, this is a 'broad' look and it's not geared for detail digging, but rather was something I kicked together to see if there was a meaningful pattern there.

The two most striking things to me:

1. We know that Nevada is a highly contested race to bounce Harry Reid. Nevada also has the highest unemployment rate in the union.

2. Florida, Ohio, NC, and Indiana all broke blue in 08, but not by much---less than 5% or so. Ohio and Florida are currently toss ups (aren't they always). Indiana leans red at this point.

Doesn't it just seem counterintuitive that, where you have ---no doubt---economic induced misery to actually pound the pulpit to make what is an already very difficult situation even worse. Angle/Hatch's loud and stupid mouths aside, isn't it just a queer thing to do? It's an election year for christ's sake.

One of the things that GOP has used really effectively over the last 10 (well, more than 10, and it's not just the GOP who's doing it--but I won't go into it) are these wedge issues. Issues with invisible demons - issues that solidify an 'us' and highlight a 'them'. This doesn't even seem to have that stink to it: no doubt every single person in the states knows somebody who lost a job or a house. Pile on the unemployed folks? No voter is that much of an animal.

So I'm still at a loss on an explanation for this. It's not great policy, it doesn't serve any discernible political purpose....and maybe that can be explained:

Krugman has a thought:

But that was then. Today, American workers face the worst job market since the Great Depression, with five job seekers for every job opening, with the average spell of unemployment now at 35 weeks. Yet the Senate went home for the holiday weekend without extending benefits. How was that possible?

The answer is that we’re facing a coalition of the heartless, the clueless and the confused. Nothing can be done about the first group, and probably not much about the second. But maybe it’s possible to clear up some of the confusion.

And the money shot:

So, is there any chance that these arguments will get through? Not, I fear, to Republicans: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something,” said Upton Sinclair, “when his salary” — or, in this case, his hope of retaking Congress — “depends upon his not understanding it.” But there are also centrist Democrats who have bought into the arguments against helping the unemployed. It’s up to them to step back, realize that they have been misled — and do the right thing by passing extended benefits.

In Krugman's view maybe the point is to inflict more misery. Maybe that misery isn't so useful now, but has the potential to be the greatest ally of the GOP when they take on Obama in '12. I don't necessarily buy it - truthfully a guy who says this - is somebody you should always be cautious of. But by far, the most plausible explanation for the anti-unemployed bend the gop is on right now.

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If this is the best you can respond then I see no point in continuing the "debate".
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Right.  Anything you can do to insulate yourself from reality you should do.  Especially when your attitude about policy is so positively misguided that it fucks average, hard working Americans in favor of hating on that president who you like.  I recommend continuing to close your mind to the economic realities of modern America. 

 

 

That I want to fuck hard working Americans? Now who's confused. i thought we were talking about the unemployed? How the "fuck" do I want to "fuck" employed people when we are talking about unemployment? Looks like you are more confused than Biden.
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Ohhhhh I see.  So unemployed folks aren't otherwise hard working Americans.  They're just bums, right? I mean, it's not like they're caught up in this mess because of very bad situations, it's that they're just lazy, drug using  twits sucking at the government teat. There's no people who are busting their ass to find a job----hell most of them probably never worked a day in their whole life, right? YEAH YEAH JOE BIDEN YEAH YEAH SOCIALIST!

Thank you.  Thank you kindly.  You've proven my point entirely. 

 

Neither cell phone nor Internet are strictly needed for a decent life.
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Says you!  :)

I mean look, sure you could get by without it.  But I think most people would consider internet/cell phone/running water to be pretty essential. 

 

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But I think most people would consider internet/cell phone/running water to be pretty essential.
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Like George Obama?  No, the Middle tier and poor (not poverty since they do not exist) in America love the convenience.  But they are hardly a necessity.  My mother does without a cell phone (and until recently a computer as well).  It sure is NICE TO HAVE, but not essential.  just like Color TVS, Cable, Cars, and AC are all nice to have, but not essential.  We did without them growing up.

But I know of the mentality you speak of.  A co-worker was undergoing a nasty divorce and it was very costly.  But he "insisted" he just had to have his nights out with the guys (even though he could not make his alimony payments).  It is a sign of softness, not necessity.

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Says you!  

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No. Says the 80s.

 

I mean look, sure you could get by without it.  But I think most people would consider internet/cell phone/running water to be pretty essential.

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Running water is essential because it guarantees a certain hygiene level. I want the poor guy next door not to spread disease and he can have the tools needed to prevent himself from doing so for free, if he likes.

But that's it. I don't need him to have a cell phone or Internet access and I don't see why I should pay for something I don't need or want, especially when other people in the world are starving and could use the money I am forced to pay as welfare taxes much better.

If this is about a decent life for the poor, tax me and give the money to the hungry.

But if you tax me and give the money to some guy for his Internet connection, you have left the territory of helping the poor and have entered the land of the opportunistic thieves, depriving both the poor of help and the rich of their hard-earned money.

 

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But if you tax me and give the money to some guy for his Internet connection,
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They already do in America.  They slapped the Universal Service tax on all of us about 15 years ago.

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Running water is essential because it guarantees a certain hygiene level. I want the poor guy next door not to spread disease and he can have the tools needed to prevent himself from doing so for free, if he likes.
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Dude, it was a joke.  Calm down. You're not going to get ebola. 

 

God damn.  I'm going to start italicizing sarcasm for people.