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Labor Department starts it’s own Immigration Reform

Illegal Immigrants; you would think that meant something bad since it has the word “illegal” in it. But according to Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, illegal immigrants should also be protected under the Labor Laws that protect legal citizens rights to fair wages even though by law they should not even be employed in the first place. But you don’t have to take my word for it, hear it from the mouth of the moron herself:

Just listen to what she says at about 18 seconds into the video “Every worker in America has the right to be paid fairly, whether documented or not”. For real? That’s funny because as the link below states “The initiative appears to contradict labor law -- cited on the Labor Department's own website -- which states that employers may hire only people who work legally in the United States” which you can see in the image below and you can find it right here on their site.

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But lets not also forget that Obama himself stated he would go after employer who hire illegal immigrants in his own Blueprint For Change document on page 27 (see image below, last lines). If Obama is suppose to be against hiring illegal immigrants and employers who do would be punish, then why are we offering to help illegal’s get paid fairly? Is this maybe a ploy to catch employers who are hiring illegal’s? But wouldn’t this hurt illegal’s as well as they would have to be processed by the Immigration Dept for, well, being here illegally? Or will this Administration ignore the fact that they are here illegally and therefore not enforcing this countries laws? Hmmm.

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Maybe I’m crazy or stupid but wouldn’t helping illegal’s who are working here illegally be a crime in itself since, according to the Labor Dept’s own website and the Labor Law, employers are only to hire people who can work here legally or they would be punished for hiring illegal’s in the first place. Why are these people doing this and claiming they are not doing anything wrong when it’s obvious they are pretty much breaking their own rules? You know, it was one thing for politicians to do things behind closed doors, to claim they can’t discuss it in public for National Security reasons and to get away with things because no one knew they were doing it; it’s another to be so upfront about their stupidity and then expect us to simply ignore it or accept it even when we are completely aware it’s wrong. This Administration has been a disaster and a blessing at the same time as they are trying really hard to bend and break all the rules to satisfy their agendas while at the same time doing it publicly so that everyone can see it and ask “what the hell do you think you are doing?” and then question why they voted these people into office the first place.

The Democrats continue to publically dig their own graves and they continue to publically cut their own heads off. Just ask DU.com, their hard work to get a Democrat in office has backfired on them as I explained in my previous article here. Stupidity at it’s finest.

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The ad has been out there for some time, so it kind of surprised me that it is just now getting attention.

But I am uncertain (and the reason I am not a lawyer) that aiding someone in a civil crime is a crime itself. I suppose it is as it seems if the government wants to arrest you, they can find a reason regardless of your saintliness. But that is the key. The government. Since they are the ones committing the crime, who is going to arrest them? Not do-nothing holder! He cant even smell a crime when he commits it!

That being said, I do agree with the intent. Although I do not agree with the method. It is a gross waste of taxpayer money. BUT, if the illegal gets a job and does it, the employer is obligated to pay them their money.

First an anecdote: Here in this town they built a new federal courthouse a few years ago. I had to walk by it several times a month on the way to my bank and it was clear that most of the laborers "no hablan Inglés". Just before the project was signed sealed and delivered, ICE came in and raided the place. They found over 50 illegals and of course deported them. To me that is outrageous! The employer probably called ICE on them to get out of paying them, either their last wages or unemployment, and I believe the employer should be tried for every crime in the book (fraud, aiding and abetting, hiring illegals, extortion, etc.)

Now for my reasoning on why the illegals should be paid, regardless of their status. First, if employers know they can get away with paying them less (below the law required), then they have no reason to hire legals and will continue to hire illegals which does not help the immigration issue, or the unemployed Americans. The unemployed Americans cannot compete with illegal wages. Period.

Second, the illegals did an honest days work and should get an honest days pay. They did break a law, and should be arrested for that, but they also deserve the pay coming to them.

Finally, the solution is part of Arizona SB1070. Nail the employers. If you make it so expensive for employers to hire illegals, then it will no longer benefit them to hire them over legal Americans. I am not talking about minor fines, but mandatory fines of several tens of thousands of dollars per illegal hired! Only when the cost of the illegals is driven higher than the cost of Americans will companies stop hiring them, and illegals stop coming (no work, no point).

Obama's duplicity on this issue is a losing one for him, but he thinks it is a winner. But then he thinks that his Health Care is a winner too. He is just too stupid and narcissistic to understand that his will is not God.

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I agree that if you worked you should get paid a fair wage. I can't agree with them working an honest day because they are working illegally and that to me is not honest, still they should get what is fair. But again, they are working illegally and were willing to work for the amount so in a sense what exactly is fair at this point when we are talking about illegal workers? How does one reward a criminal? They should not have been working in the first place and they should not have accepted such a low wage. They basically screwed themselves by accept jobs illegally and accept a low wage on top of it. But, then again, a low wage here can actually be pretty big for someone who had little or nothing before and even minimum wage here is more than they probably ever thought they would ever see in their lifetime.

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They should not have been working in the first place and they should not have accepted such a low wage. They basically screwed themselves by accept jobs illegally and accept a low wage on top of it.

You missed my second point. By working for the low wages, they are depriving legal Americans from work. Legal Americans CANNOT work for less than minimum wage even if they want to! I do not blame the illegals for that, after all, $5/hr still beats 10 cents an hour any day. But it is the employers fault and crime, and they should be prosecuted to the max!

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Riddle me this... why does SEIU (a very large labor union) support illegal immigration? I thought purpose of unions was to benefit the workers.Wouldn't less workers coming into the workforce benefit those people already here? Undocumented workers earn low wages and undercut the entire purpose of unions altogether. There is definitely something rotten going on here. These union workers paying dues are being tricked, with "their" money is going to undermine the very people it is supposed to benefit. It is common knowledge SEIU is in bed with this administration.

Here is SEIU's position on immigration LINK.

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Quoting Nitro Cruiser,

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You have to remember big union is not about helping the members. it is about getting more power. And for a union, where does the power come from? More Members. And where do more members come from?

Unions long ago lost any credibility of helping their members. The only way they stay in business is through closed shops. They are just ripping off their members.

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Oh no, I agree with punishing the employers, but I blame the illegals for coming here illegally even if they did it out of necessity. If I broke the law I deserve to be punished, even if it meant me speeding to get to the hospital to see my new born child. The law is the law and this country was built on that. Not that i need to tell you that.

I think it's all about the money that gets passed around behind closed doors. They may want to help illegal's and this could undermine the whole point of the unions, but it's as if they are willing to make the sacrifice because their is a bigger payout if they do.

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You have to remember big union is not about helping the members. it is about getting more power. And for a union, where does the power come from? More Members. And where do more members come from?

Unions long ago lost any credibility of helping their members. The only way they stay in business is through closed shops. They are just ripping off their members.

I don't disagree with anything you guys are saying. I'm wondering how the workers cannot see what is going on and continue to support these mob-like entities. I'd be a little worried if a union I belonged to was trying to bring in millions of more laborers.

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From what I have seen as to what unions do for the workers they represent, I can see how they are somehow blind to the corruption. If I had someone who could demand a decent raise for me, great healthcare insurance at little or no cost, get me money if they are forced to let me go, get me a great retirement program and protect me from getting fired; I too would probably ignore that they are screwing me. It's in the average human nature to think that getting a bit more than what you were suppose to get at first is somehow a victory even if they are actually getting screwed in the process.

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First, union members that are not part of the power structure are not, as a rule, the brightest bulbs in the deck. In many ways they do not THINK, they just live. SO they do not add 1 and 1 and get 2.

Those that do think are often ostracized out of the union (they are a threat to the union bosses).

Second, those that do rise up and become part of the power, perpetuate the lies to increase their own power. So in effect, Unions are perfect examples of Animal Farm.

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Well, how many business' would hire illegal if they actually had to pay them fair wages?

And if you can't compete with your competitor because you hire legals and he hires illegals for a fraction of the cost your only option is to also hire illegals.

Now the problem solves itself... greed would cause them to snitch. Result? faire wage for an illegal? haha, as if. No, the real result is that the illegal is fired and a legal is hired for a fair wage.

Problem with that is, you need to deport them, not make them lose jobs. Or you are pushing them towards more crime.

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Yes, I agree. I mean they are illegal. They really should be chained to machines and beaten when they don't work hard enough. If they work all day and you decide not pay them, well there shouldn't be any consequences after all they are ILLEGAL.

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Sorry, Loca, all the comedian jobs are taken.

I have no problem with the Feds enforcing fair labor laws... as long as they deport the illegal worker at the same time they fine or file criminal charges against his employer.

The operational theory is that the illegal worker will not be willing to rat out his employer and report the crime of inadequate pay for fear of deportation, unless they see a TV spot starring Solis reassuring them that their illegal status will be ignored when they come forward. And that the illegal worker is the key to finding all those evil employers... since they're depending on the illegals to report... the... people... who... gave... them... their... jobs.

Right.

Although I admit that with no employers willing to hire illegals, thanks the efforts of our Justice Department & state law enforcement officials, there would be no incentive for them to come here for 'the jobs'. Knowingly hiring illegals should be illegal.

So, listen up, illegals - it's all a trap. Don't believe a word Solis says, 'cause doing so will make sure you get a 'fair' wage... zip, nada, nothin' from nobody. Only by remaining silent can you keep the gravy train going.

But people like Loca seem unable to get their minds around the concept.

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