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Gulf Update - Head for the Hills

True to Doc's never ending quest for Truth, here's an Update....the kind WC'ers need to remain relevant in this rapidly changing world.

I know you dedicated pixel pushers have little if any time to view news, so this one might just save your lives.

The gusher is spreading and threatening to bury us all alive in....well, read for yourselves, my friends.

 

This Post is dedicated to my friend Web(doc made me do it)Gizmos who really cares passionately about this topic. Thanks for caring so much, WG.

 

News
Massive Flow Of Bullshit Continues To Gush From BP Headquarters

June 7, 2010 | ISSUE 46•23

 

LONDON—As the crisis in the Gulf of Mexico entered its eighth week Wednesday, fears continued to grow that the massive flow of bullshit still gushing from the headquarters of oil giant BP could prove catastrophic if nothing is done to contain it.

The toxic bullshit, which began to spew from the mouths of BP executives shortly after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in April, has completely devastated the Gulf region, delaying cleanup efforts, affecting thousands of jobs, and endangering the lives of all nearby wildlife.

"Everything we can see at the moment suggests that the overall environmental impact of this will be very, very modest," said BP CEO Tony Hayward, letting loose a colossal stream of undiluted bullshit. "The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean, and the volume of oil we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total volume of water."


Hayward's comments fueled fears that the spouting of overwhelmingly thick and slimy bullshit may never subside.

According to sources, the sheer quantity of bullshit pouring out of Hayward is unprecedented, and it has thoroughly drenched the coastlines of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, with no end in sight.

Though no one knows exactly how much of the dangerous bullshit is currently gushing from BP headquarters, estimates put the number at somewhere between 25,000 and 70,000 words a day.

"We're looking at a truly staggering load of shit here," said Rebecca Palmer, an environmental scientist at the University of Georgia, who claimed that only BP has the ability to stem the flow of bullshit and plug it at its source. "And this is just the beginning—we're only seeing the surface-level bullshit. It could be years before we sift through it all and figure out just how deep this bullshit goes."

Congressional hearings aimed at stopping the bullshit have thus far failed to do so, with officials from BP and its contractors Halliburton and Transocean only adding to the powerful torrents of bullshit by blaming one another for the accident.

Along with the region's wildlife and fragile ecosystem, countless livelihoods have been jeopardized by BP's unchecked flow of corporate shit. Those who depend on fishing or tourism for their income are already feeling the noxious effects of the bullshit firsthand, as out-of-control platitudes begin to reach land and seep ashore.


Dense streams of shit are expected to continue spreading throughout the region and the entire United States.

"This bullshit, it's everywhere," said Louisiana fisherman Doug LaRoux, who lost his house to a tide of government bullshit following Hurricane Katrina. "It reeks. Big buckets of disgusting shit are oozing everywhere you look and I don't know if it's ever going to stop. I feel helpless"

Added LaRoux, "I never thought I'd be the victim of so much bullshit."

Observers have noted that after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, corporate bullshit gushed up like a geyser for two decades and didn't wane until the oil company had bullshit its way through an exhaustive process of court appeals that ultimately reduced payouts to victims by 90 percent.

Despite Hayward's denials that BP is at fault for the environmental disaster and his concern that it will result in "illegitimate" American lawsuits, the embattled CEO has still managed to trickle out a few last drips of bullshit sympathy for Gulf Coast residents.

"I'm as devastated as you are by this," Hayward said after a meeting with cleanup crews on Louisiana's Fourchon Beach. "We will clean every last drop up and we will remediate all of the environmental damage."

"There's no one that wants this thing over with more than I do," he added a week later, just absolutely defying belief with the thickest, most dangerous bullshit yet. "I'd like my life back."

Millions of Americans reported feeling ill and disoriented upon contact with that particularly vile plume of bullshit.

Many environmentalists, including Palmer, have called for a boycott of BP until the bullshit stops or is at least under control, but they emphasize that in the long term, Americans will have to change their habits if they wish to avoid future catastrophes.

"We must all work together if we're going to cure our nation of this addiction," Palmer said. "The sad fact is, the United States has been running on bullshit for decades."

 

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Reply #26 Top

And what about your country reducing the 5.7 million tonnes of CO2 you pump into our atmosphere each year?

Nobody here cares about a few drops of oil on your poxy little country. Clean up your own mess and stop blaming us.

Reply #27 Top

Friends I think we may have an all out lymie shmuck attack going here.  Nobody cares about a few drops of oil?  Response: FU.  Long letter to follow. 

Reply #28 Top

Whoa! No one is blaming England for anything.

Fuzzy, ekimragz..... please: I posted this about the oil company BP. NOT ABOUT ENGLAND NOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE!

I'm requesting you both PLEASE edit your replies before this gets out of hand.

We are a Community WITHOUT national borders united by our love of skinning and each other.

Please, guys... let's change what's been said out of anger.

 

I will be the first to say that BP is NOT the only corporation guilty of arrogant negligence. They all are. American, French, German, Israeli, Egyptian, Chinese, Russian, etc....ALL OF THEM.

None of them care a whit about people. Money talks and people walk.

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Reply #29 Top

Keep in mind that it was the Bush administration that granted BP an Enviromental Impact waiver, allowing them to operate without any sort of plan in place to deal with such a disaster.#:(   BP is not the only company granted this waiver. :thumbsdown: I think there is plenty of blame to go around for all parties responsible.

Personal attacks/insults will only cause more damage and won't clean up one drop of oil.;)

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Reply #30 Top

Bashing BP is well and good for anger release, but I word of caution.  If you expect them to pay the huge sums that will be levied (and rightly so), It would be wise for the government not to bash them straight into bankruptcy.  You know who gets the bill then right?  Yep, you and me.

Doc , I am a bit surprised that you accuse the BP CEO of planning to screw the wives, widows and pensioners that depend on BP for their retirement and at the same time expect them to pay for Obama's call to shut down the remaining wells for 6 months and cover the cost of the resulting laid off employees as well as all the clean up costs.  It is not as if they have unlimited resources or can print money like a government.  The equipment that will be idled by the moratorium will simply find a home overseas and another 300,000 Americans will be unemployed.

Oopps. I forgot that they can take all those thousands of green jobs (sic) !   

Anger is one thing.  Thinking it through is another.

Reply #31 Top

Yeah seriously...some twit writes it up in the paper or on the net about how some idiot somehow think the British people are to blame and then it escalates into an al out flame war...lets end that here. BP is not England or the British people. 

If you want to blame the British people for something...what's up with the beans & tomato with your eggs!? XD

Reply #32 Top

Personal attacks/insults will only cause more damage and won't clean up one drop of oil.

Absolutely correct.

Wiz for Chairman of the Bored Board! ;) :grin:

Reply #33 Top

Wiz for Chairman of the Bored Board!

I think you had it right the first time Doc. ;)

Reply #34 Top

Right! It is about the English based oil company BP and not the British people.  Except those who open their mouths to say something like that jerk just did about not caring about a "few drops of oil."  Heh Mr. well-named, it ain't just a few drops of oil.  It is the worst man made ecological disaster in the history of the world which will have the most profound affects on this country for years and years into the future.  Hopefully, BP will spend their last farthing making this right and, if they do that, it still won't be right.  And that is to say nothing of the 11 lives that were lost and all the small businesses (like the fishermen) who depend on this eco-system for a living.  If an American company destroyed the English channel and polluted the British coastline on this scale, I would hope that the Americans would have the good grace to pay for the damage (at least that which can be paid for) and shut the f.... up about the outrage and  criticism that the British public would be entitled to express toward the offending company.

Reply #35 Top

Quoting kenwas, reply 30
Bashing BP is well and good for anger release, but I word of caution.  If you expect them to pay the huge sums that will be levied (and rightly so), It would be wise for the government not to bash them straight into bankruptcy.  You know who gets the bill then right?  Yep, you and me.

Doc , I am a bit surprised that you accuse the BP CEO of planning to screw and the wives, widows and pensioners that depend on BP for their retirement and at the same time expect them to pay for Obama's call to shut down the remaining wells for 6 months and cover the cost of the resulting laid off employees as well as all the clean up costs.  It is not as if they have unlimited resources or can print money like a government.  The equipment that will be idled by the moratorium will simply find a home overseas and another 300,000 Americans will be unemployed.

Oopps. I forgot that they can take all those thousands of green jobs (sic) !   

Anger is one thing.  Thinking it through is another.

Sure he is...despite the fact that his Corp. makes gazillions. He could end that rumor with a simple statement. He hasn't.

Obama has already gone back on that call because of the economics of the Gulf states. Green Jobs? Yup....that's about the right color the workers will be after about one seek's work there. (see the endless stories of oil related illness...also see the X-Files).

I'm angry at what's being done to our planet and the people who live on it. I'm angry about the exploitation of people by others. I'm disappointed about the fact you don't seem to be angry at what's been done and why.

Ken, it's your planet as well. That supercedes all job concerns. It even supercedes (G-d forgive my blasphemy) skinning.

Just when are people going to wake up and understand "Sustainability"? What's it going to take to end arrogant greed?

 

@ekimragz: You persist in your errors:

If an American Co. created the damage, the American Co. pays. NOT the American people.

If BP caused it, BP and NOT the British people (who, incidentally have also been hurt by this) pays.

This is a thread I started. Please edit and stay civil or be gone. No one here is going to put up with you insulting the British people nor Fuzzy Logic who is a long time, much loved member here...who also was a Moderator. His credentials in skinning and the Community are obvious. Give him the respect he deserves on my thread or be reported to Moderation. Pull in your horns. 

Reply #36 Top



"Ken, it's your planet as well. That supercedes all job concerns. It even supercedes (G-d forgive my blasphemy) skinning.

Just when are people going to wake up and understand "Sustainability"? What's it going to take to end arrogant greed?[/quote]

I am very concerned about all that you mention.  Right now though, I am concerned most about getting the gusher stopped and the clean up completed.  To do that we need a viable BP to foot the bill and driving them into bankruptcy does not achieve that end.

That is the entire point of my post.

It is a horrible disaster but far from the largest in US history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakeview_Gusher

Somehow the state of California and the planet survived and we will this time as well.  The anger is understandable but usually not a part of solving the immediate problem.

 

Reply #37 Top

I am very concerned about all that you mention. Right now though, I am concerned most about getting the gusher stopped and the clean up completed. To do that we need a viable BP to foot the bill and driving them into bankruptcy does not achieve that end.

Completely agree.

BP will be good for the bill even if stock prices drop all they have to do is sell some oil field assets. Maybe Obama is trying to force them into receivership to guarantee the cost be repaid, though I doubt that. A viable company is better than a crippled one.

As for getting the gusher stopped, I'm less than optimistic simply because BP doesn't seem to be listening to the thousands of ideas which have been put forward...not talking about the cracked pot 'nuke it' suggestions. There are good ones there too. BP seems set on the relief wells and 'so what' to the continuing leak....or not very energetic about checking solution suggestions.

Reply #38 Top

As for stopping the gusher,I have no idea if BP has rejected ideas that are truly feasible or not and I rather doubt that any one in the media has a clue either.  I have not seen one idea put forth from the other oil majors or from anyone that actually has a track record of performance.  

As for the containment part, it seems that the biggest impediment is an ancient labor/union law that prohibits the use of amy vehicles or devices not manned by American crews.  There is a group of skimmers (vessels) sitting idle because of this law.  Bush waived it for Katrina, Obama has yet to do so for this situation as the unions are against it.  Sure it is BP's oil, but they can not override American law.  The President keeps telling everyone  he is in charge, I wonder when they will get around to waiving the labor law.  

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4236464/law-in-need-of-revision

Thus, I share your lack of confidence in a timely and proper clean up.

 

Reply #39 Top

ekimragz: I have no idea who you are or where you came from, but you are the one causing problems here. One insulting post after another >:(

Go away and leave this thread to the people who were discussing the gulf problem quite rationally until you came along.

Reply #40 Top

I have not seen one idea put forth from the other oil majors or from anyone that actually has a track record of performance.

Nor are you likely to, Ken. This is the first deep water blow out.

Therefore, when 'logical' or 'it worked on land/shallow water therefore....' ideas have played themselves out and failed, someone has to say, 'time to think outside the box.' Unfortunately, it isn't BP and although I agree that the government is hardly a 'brain trust', really top notch engineering departments haven't been very vocal, either. Therefore, who's left? The people and BP.

Unfortunately the latter isn't paying much attention to the former....at least review the ideas with some experts and give the people some feedback.

As for the skimmers...someone should get on the government's ass about that. I wonder what will overcome the immense underwater plumes? What's going to contain them? I wonder which has the majority of the oil...the surface or subsurface?

 

Reply #41 Top

Fuzzy Thinking here is aShort answer: F...off!  You obviously don't have the sense to avoid taking an anti-American stance when the facts are all against you.  I will be here as long as you are so watch the garbage coming out of your mouth and we won't have a further problem.

Reply #42 Top

I will be here as long as you

nope.

Reply #43 Top

I always thought that the acceptance of different and varied opinions on any subject, discussion or conversation was a good thing, it is not necessary that they be agreed upon.  :S

Reply #44 Top

Quoting ekimragz, reply 41
Fuzzy Thinking here is aShort answer: F...off!  You obviously don't have the sense to avoid taking an anti-American stance when the facts are all against you.  I will be here as long as you are so watch the garbage coming out of your mouth and we won't have a further problem.

 

You must be one heck of a tough guy...............

Reply #45 Top

Personal threats are never acceptable at WC.  Consider this a warning for all thinking about escalating further.

  :banhammer:

Reply #46 Top

I don't think there should be any worry about BP going broke to soon...with oil wells in over 100 countries and 500 billion in cash flow I don't think they'll be hurt to bad. Well...it might hurt but they'll recover.

Reply #47 Top

Maybe yo are right WebGizmos, and maybe you are wrong.

 

The latest update at Wiki (for general reference only ;))) )

"

After the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill BP's stock fell by 52% in 50 days on the New York Stock Exchange, going from $60.57 on April 20 to $29.20 on June 9, its lowest level since August 1996.

Around 40% of BP shares are held by UK shareholders, and 39% in the USA. The UK dividends represent approximately one-seventh of all dividend payments in the UK and form the basis of many pension schemes.

Some economists suggested BP may have to cut its dividend, file for bankruptcy or be taken over by another oil company as a result of the spill and associated liabilities.[42][43]Financial analysts suggests 4 possible scenarios. One is that the oil leak stops, political pressure abates, and the clean up costs are manageable. A second is that a competitor attempts to takeover BP, either in cooperation with the company or as a hostile bid. The share price would vary according to political pressure and factors related to the suitor and/or BP. A third scenario is that the leak is stopped but with delays. There is uncertainty of the clean up payments. BP stock prices rebound but not completely. A fourth scenario is that the leak is not resolved, political pressure continues leading to bankruptcy. [44]

Reply #48 Top

Quoting WebGizmos, reply 46
I don't think there should be any worry about BP going broke to soon...with oil wells in over 100 countries and 500 billion in cash flow I don't think they'll be hurt to bad. Well...it might hurt but they'll recover.
 My emphasis, WG.

Faster than the people hurt by this, and one helluva lot faster than the animals, plants and coastal estuaries. That's one thing BP can take to the bank.

Reply #49 Top

Can't say that I disagree with your emphasis gentlemen.  I merely point out that nothing is achieved by the bashing of BP in terms of fixing the problem and on the contrary, we merely add to the list of injured parties as a result of this tragic accident.  39% of the shareholders are in the US in pension funds, 401k's, etc.  They too are hurt and that is a lot of folks. The cries for the US to take over the company are so counter productive.  Does the US want to be responsible;e for all the British pensioners, all the retired dividend dependents?  I think not.  I am not defending BP's actions past or present.  There will be a heavy load to haul in this clean up and recovery and it would be poor judgement to kill the horse that you expect to haul that load for political posturing or out of anger.  The urge to demonize should be avoided.

Reply #50 Top

The cries for the US to take over the company are so counter productive. Does the US want to be responsible;e for all the British pensioners, all the retired dividend dependents? I think not. I am not defending BP's actions past or present. There will be a heavy load to haul in this clean up and recovery and it would be poor judgement to kill the horse that you expect to haul that load for political posturing or out of anger. The urge to demonize should be avoided.

My feeling is not to neccessarily take over BP...but to understand that...yeah...BP was at the helm when this started...but it has become such a disaster that we should not just stand by and watch and wait for BP to solve the problem which they obviously don't have a clue on how to accomplish that. This in my opinion has now become a problem for all of us. In cases like this I think we should band together...solve the problem...do the clean up...and then place the blame squarely where it belongs and bill whoever is responsible and let the chips fall where they may...no matter what part of the world they are based out of. And I agree that blaming a group of people for the mistake of a company is just childish and ignorant.