Wheter she'll want it or not, Ukraine is back in Russia's fold

http://www.stratfor.com/sitrep/20100427_ukraine_brawl_smoke_bombs_fail_stop_lawmakers

Ukraine’s parliament ratified a new naval base agreement with Russia despite the opposition’s resistance, Russian television reported April 27. The vote was mired with a fistfight, smoke bombs and “hooliganism.” At the session some deputies threw eggs at Speaker Vladimir Litvin. There were also reports of smoke bombs thrown and a fistfight. Some of the slots for deputy identity cards used to cast votes were blocked. Thousands of protesters and supporters of the agreement gathered outside the parliament building. Some tried to enter, but have been stopped by a police cordon.

From STRATFOR

 

Oh well. It's not like it came at a big surprise. Russia really worked hard for it to happen in the past 5 years, destroying, damaging and slandering everything in the Pro-Western Orange government...

I am so glad to read this website. Friedman's book projected this event back at the beginning of 2009 :beer:

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The former soviet republics were never out of the fold.  Russia just had too many internal issues to deal with over the past years to knuckle them under, and they really do not have to.  They were on a leash, and like all leashes, when the dog walker wants to shorten it, he does.

The leash of course serves 2 purposes.  One is to give the dog the illusion of freedom, and the other is for the master to maintain control. 

The leash was just shortened a notch or 2.

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Let the Ukraine's get a little money from the USSR Russia. All those big ship must still pass through those narrow straights.

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http://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical_diary/20100505_russias_push_take_naftogaz_and_ukraine

Russia's Push to Take Naftogaz -- and Ukraine

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KRAINIAN PRIME MINISTER NIKOLAI AZAROV on Wednesday acknowledged that his newly elected pro-Russian government was seriously considering Moscow’s proposal to merge its state-run behemoth Gazprom with Ukraine’s national energy company Naftogaz. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin announced the proposal Friday, and has since issued daily reminders to Ukraine that this is a plan Moscow is seriously — if not forcibly — pushing.

Naftogaz is not a run-of-the-mill energy company. It controls the natural gas system and retail natural gas market in Ukraine and the pipeline network that Russia uses to transport 80 percent of its natural gas to Europe. The accumulated transit fees generated by the network account for Ukraine’s single biggest source of income. These fees make up two percent of Ukraine’s gross domestic product and more than six percent of its government budget.

Transporting natural gas is sheer profit for the Ukrainian government. This is very different from Ukraine’s other major sources of revenue, including steel or wheat, which require massive amounts of constant investment to keep up. Transporting natural gas from Russia to Europe requires no effort on Ukraine’s part. In theory, Ukraine is supposed to be maintaining the pipeline systems, but Kiev has not done this in decades. Also, Ukraine’s steel and wheat sectors are not really valuable or strategic like natural gas transiting since, compared to European steel and wheat, Ukrainian steel is not high quality, and its wheat is not considered food-grade.

Russian natural gas also feeds into the Ukrainian systems that fuel all non-nuclear energy, and powers nearly all of the country’s industrial units. It is therefore the engine that runs the entire Ukrainian economy.

In short, Naftogaz is Ukraine’s most valuable asset.

“Naftogaz is the engine that runs the entire Ukrainian economy.”

This is why the Ukrainian government has resisted since the fall of the Soviet Union allowing any Russian hands to touch the state energy firm. Ukraine conceded in allowing Russia to hold or influence virtually every other sector in Ukraine, but Naftogaz has been off limits. Even pro-Russian Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma — whose faction was succeeded by the pro-Western Orange Revolution –- refused to allow Moscow access to Naftogaz and the Ukrainian natural gas transit system. Kuchma knew that if they were ever handed over to another party –- say Russia –- it would be the end of Ukrainian independence.

Therefore, the prospect of Gazprom taking over Naftogaz signals that end.

This allows us to re-imagine the map of Europe without the borders between Russia and Ukraine, or Belarus for that matter, since the two countries have formed a political Union State and integrated their economies under the Customs Union. Russia’s survival has always depended on the expansion of its borders from key geographic anchors, from the Carpathian mountains across the Northern European Plain in the west, to the Caucasus mountains in the south, and across Siberia and to the Tian Shan mountains of Central Asia. This expansion protects Russia — in terms of space and by defensible geographic features — from any other major regional or world power.

Ruling Ukraine after already holding Belarus is one of the larger issues on Russia’s list, shifting it geopolitically in three ways.

First, Russia would again have full control over warm water ports on the Black Sea in Ukraine. Russia has traditionally had issues with access to water as the majority of its ports are iced over most of the year. The Black Sea has long been coveted by Russia, especially the Ukrainian section in which Russia bases its Black Sea Fleet out of Crimea. With Ukraine under Moscow’s umbrella, Russia will have easier access to the majority of the Sea without needing a lease or permission from Kiev. This also will impact the countries bordering the sea, including Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Turkey, all of whom would rather not have an increased Russian presence on their warm waters.

Second, with Ukraine coming under Russian control, Moldova will, in reality, fall under Moscow’s control too, since it will no longer have Ukraine as a buffer, and because Russia already has troops there. This means that Russia will have an anchor — and defendable border — in the Carpathian Mountains for the first time since 1992.

Lastly, holding both Ukraine and Belarus would put Russia on the border with Poland while surrounding the Baltic states. This would allow Russian power to not only border some of the region’s more vehemently anti-Russian states, but also allow Moscow to begin putting pressure on the most important part of the Northern European Plain. The Polish section of the Plain is only 300 miles wide, but it is the strategic point from which Russia can defend its sphere. European or Western influence would be halted at that point before reaching into Russia’s sphere.

Poland is the line where Russia wants to hold its influence without overextending itself in Europe, as it has done in the past. Now Russia is pushing toward that line.

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Move along, nothing to see folks.

Weakness in some will promote boldness in others. Seems like Russia got their man in office in the Ukraine in 2010, just like they did in the US in 2008. They aren't good at chess for nothing. 

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Move along, nothing to see folks.

What do you mean, "nothing to see"?

The endgame has been precipitated in the past months. It ain't "nothing to see" in my book.

And your country is betting a lot by bolstering Poland's military. That also is part of your interest.

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The endgame has been precipitated in the past months. It ain't "nothing to see" in my book.

I think he means it is not a revelation or surprising.  And I agree with him.  But the one weakness the Russians have is they do not see beyond the end game.

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But the one weakness the Russians have is they do not see beyond the end game.

On the opposite. They know have their eye set into Afghanistan, making sure you get overly entangled there and spend a lot of money while they yank back the leash at the central asia countries like they did recently with Somethingistan.

And they will keep playing with Iran to keep you busy.

And they will probably do their best to seduce and "appease" Germany/France so the EU don't see them as treath, while Poland will probably rely on you to bolster their defense. Russia will also probably do it's best to secure more Eastern Europe allies. Hmm.. Georgia might be in trouble, but I wonder what'll happen regarding Turkey and Armenia. Turkey is getting back on its feet, and trying its influence. The U.S. are hoping Iraq will become somewhat of a Turkey-backed counterbalance to Iran.

If Greece fail, I wonder if Turkey could step in and "save" it. It would be a HUGE diplomatic blow to everybody in the region. Like killing 10 birds with a single stone. The EU would be humiliated. Greece might have to "thank" their benefactors, and the rest of the Balkans (like Kosovo) might turn away from EU and toward Turkey for security.

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I think he means it is not a revelation or surprising. And I agree with him.

Doc...you know me pretty well.:grin:

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If Greece fail, I wonder if Turkey could step in and "save" it.

Turkey and Greece are like oil and water (look up "Cypress"). That aside Turkey couldn't begin to afford to aid anyone. Part of the reason they aren't in the EU now is due to financial issues. Former Yugoslavian nations know their best bet is with countries like Germany and France for their defense needs. Turkey has a good army, but they acquire everything from Europe and the US. Why go through a middle man when you can go to the source?

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Quoting Cikomyr, reply 7

On the opposite. They know have their eye set into Afghanistan, making sure you get overly entangled there and spend a lot of money while they yank back the leash at the central asia countries like they did recently with Somethingistan.

You prove my point!  What would happen with a resurgent Islamic Afghanistan?  Not much for the US, they would still be fraught with civil wars and not much of a threat,  Except to the surrounding countries, like all the Islamic former republics of the USSR?  They never think past the end game!  Works great in chess, but sucks in real life.