Agreed. The danger there is the winning party to become arrogant and overly powerful. That always lead to corruption and abuse of their mandate.

But I think the rise of right-wing parties in Europe is because of the increase number of immigrants, promoted by the economical elite, that clashes with the economical difficulties of the common worker (and thu, common voter), who feel robbed of their job.

Got a hard time projecting how that will influence the geopolitical area, however. Somebody knows the foreign policy difference between the ousted and the ousters?

It's a mixture of continental arrogance (immigrant stealing jobs is nonsense but a good excuse for one's own laziness) and misbehaviour of immigrants (but not of those who "steal jobs").

However, that's not where those right-wing parties recruit their followers.

The particular type of nasty immigrant who makes people become xenophobic is NOT opposed by the fascist parties and in fact open support for extremist Islam and terrorism is completely normal among fascist (and communist) parties.

And those who become tired of the increasing number of immigrants usually have nothing against, say, Vietnamese or Korean  immigrants and wouldn't vote for a party that, like the fascists, opposes those. Instead they want working immigrants (there is no fear of job-theft among those voters) and reject non-working immigrants (who don't "steal jobs" and) who bring their "own" culture (and laws).

Jobbik is an anti-Semitic party, not a anti-foreigner party. Their hatred is for Gipsies and Jews who have lived in Hungary for over a thousand years, not for recent immigrants that might have caused "unemployment" or "economical difficulties" for the "common worker". Hungary doesn't even have many immigrants; not compared to Germany or Britain anyway. And in both Germany and Britain support for fascist parties is much, much lower.

I don't know why people confuse fascists and anti-immigration parties. The Nazis in the 1930s were not against immigrants, they were against people who had been living in Germany for over a thousand years. They did not act against immigrants or even illegal immigrants, they acted against natives.

Similarly white supremacists (the American version of fascists) are not against immigration to the US, they are against non-whites, whether immigrant or native. It's too completely different ideologies.

Not a lot.

The socialists were in power in 2003 and supported George W. Bush. Both parties are generally pro-American. Jobbik is anti-American. I wouldn't expect major changes.

I don't know what that means.

I don't think they steal jobs. How can anyone steal a job?

Anyway, there is a difference between being against liberal immigration laws because they might allow criminals go get in and being a fascist.

As they should.

But that's not what the Hungarian situation is about. Neither the conservatives nor the socialists are really for or against immigration in any extreme way. And Jobbik is not specifically against immigrants but against anyone who is not Hungarian (or German).

First, Thanks to Leauki for an excellent analysis of the Hungarian elections.  (I will get back to that).

But second, and most pressing is the misconceptions contained in the statements above.  Clearly the problem is not is not isolated to the southern part (it is the entry point so is the most reported).  It permeates every state in the union (with the possible exceptions of Alaska and Hawaii due to their limited accessibility).  Second, a few thousand immigrants cannot compare to the 20 million in the USA and more coming in daily.  I cannot speak to the crime issue in Hungary or Germany, but the fact that almost half of the population of the prisons in California are illegal immigrants clearly demonstrates that there is a large criminal element in the 20 million.

Finally, while the issue of "stealing jobs" is a valid one, it is hardly the root of the movement to stop the inflow.  Due to the non-existence of health care and social programs in the USA, it is clear they are coming here for that, and that is the reason they are costing taxpayers about $200 billion annually.  The cost is born un-proportionally by the border states where they enter, to the degree that some localities and institutions have gone bankrupt (or are headed in that direction).

Finally, it is not about them "taking jobs" of Americans (again that is a part, but not the core issue), but due to their burden on the budgets of state and local governments (which unlike the bottomless pit of the federals, they are required to maintain balanced budgets), which causes those governments to lay off workers (they do not ask the nationality before firing them) that would normally be used to educate children or maintain the infrastructure.  Those are the lost jobs that most refer to. 

That is why the "immigration" problems in Europe are hardly comparable to the US.  Unless comparing a paint ball game with live ammo is valid as well.

I really tried to find that "fact" over the net, and yet, the highest figure I could find was 25%

Edit: And the majority of those were in prison for, guess what, violating immigration laws.

Cities with higher % of illegal immigrants have lower crime rates.

Violating Immigration laws is a federal, not a state crime (except Arizona), so they may occupy a lot of the federal cells in California for that, but not the state cells.

And your last statement begs the question - where did that stat come from?

Still, with such a commanding majority (68% is veto proof in the states), you would expect the intra-party squabbling to eventually split it back into a left and right wing.  That would marginalize the kooks on either side (they would grow weaker, not stronger).

But we shall see.  Hungary is one of the strangest countries in Europe from what I read.  They do not know where the people came from as they do not seem to be slavic, or germanic and their language is the closest thing to Klingon on the planet!

The New Americans: Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigration

Ain't the best data, I know. But the information about illegal immigration is sketchy at best

The theory goes, the illegal immigrants will usually do their best to stay off the radar as much as possible, and that include doing crime. They know the moment they draw attention to themselves, they can get snatched by the police and jailed or deported.

While young american kids know they won't get deported or sent to jail for living in the U.S., so they don't care about such repercussion.

You know the funny thing? Those here for a new life, you are correct.  And there are lots of them.  But for those here to make a quick buck and head out?  No, they do not care.  So perhaps the illegals in Salem Virginia are just as you state, but those in LA are not.

You misunderstand how the European mind works.

You THINK people would understand that money has to be earned to be distributed, but Europeans really don't get that.

I remembe reading an article in a German news paper about people leaving Germany for the US where the author quickly established how educated workers leave the country for America and then went on for a two-page rant about how the destruction of the German social security system by moderate social democrats and conservatives and lowering of social security taxes lead people to emigrate. They really don't get it.

Greece had a (what passes there for) conservative government until a few months ago when people voted the socialists in.

I am thinking part of the problem is that the Greeks demonstrate against making changes rather than work all day.

300 comes to mind.

THIS IS GREECE!

The children's reflexive form...

Active: I broke the cup.

Passive: The cup was broken by me.

Children's reflexive: The cup broke.

Who reported?