I am not sure if Windows XP 64 is a supported system for Elemental. It is clearly not supported for Impulse.

x64 XP is a horrible OS....and I am not kidding.

XP 64 is an unsupported OS, for both Elemental and Impulse.

I really can't figure out why people run that on a gaming machine, it was only intended for use by driver developers and in high end computing situations that needed the extra RAM capacity in a client OS before Vista came out. Microsoft doesn't even really support it anymore now that there won't be new service packs for Windows Server 2003 (which is the same code that XP 64 is based on).

I also missed the poll.  Seems there are a lot of active beta users that missed the poll, making it much less valid.

My favorites link goes right to the forums, I don't mess around in the rest of this website much.  Probably better to have the poll in the forum or email out to those that are in the beta only.

Glad you decided to go to 1Z4 despite the poll, because I would have voted not ready yet.  Still to many crashes and loading problems for multiplayer.

I had no idea about that poll, either.  Could we humbly request to get a notice about an important poll like this in the Developers' Journal?

After Z4, I imagine things should be pretty stable.  How exciting!

I second this.  I was mainly browsing the regular forums looking for mention of a poll without realizing that it was in the journals section.

I missed the poll as well.   But while I haven't run into any CTD's I don't mind another beta 1z to fix the problems for others before we go into Beta 2.

Thanks for giving us another one. The extra week of performance tweaks should hopefully make a big difference.

I saw the poll and voted no since I still CTD and freeze a bit to much. I like how Brad isn't going to give us old school XP users the short end of the stick. At any rate in retrospect you should always have N+1 Betas and this is Elemental's +1.

I missed the Poll as well. Also assumed where it might be Posted. (doh!)

I did mentioned casually in a thread that I would move on, but that was after Brad's thought here. https://forums.elementalgame.com/380890  #15

But hey, I welcome another Z as I too have seen improvement from 1Z2 to 1Z3 but still crash and Mem out given enough time.

So bring it on. 

I also missed the pole and had no idea that poles were even being displayed there.

I must admit I found the poll only by stumbling upon it. Nonetheless I am grateful that the stardock team are focusing upon XP issue's although I must admit this has been something of a call to upgrade to windows 7 (apologies to Mark Shuttleworth)

Last message I saw from Stardock was an active plan for providing a 64Bit version of Elemental.  There was a financial cost from Intel which generated a strong belief no 64Bit version would be made available, yet last I saw Stardock found a method around the extreme financial barrier.

Vista has the same RAM limitation as XP unless its the 64Bit version.

Very very very large maps such as those which can be made with CIV_4 need the high end computing situations using the extra RAM capacity.  It's the same reason why Stardock is interested with providing support for a 64Bit version because the map sizes won't be limited as with the 32Bit version.

So now you know why some people run that on a gaming machine.

And another 'I missed the poll' post... But glad to hear we'll get another 1Z patch before Beta 2 starts.

It is in order since I keep getting a white screen at anti-aliasing x4 and x8, x2 will cause a crash to desktop quite often.

To recall this is what it looks like:

And to try to help thing along here is a DxDiag file if it helps:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/hmzyzjodqii/DxDiag2.txt

With the 64bits version of the licensed engine Havok. If Havok 64bits  isn't supported for Windows XP 64 but only for Vista 64 bits and 7 64 bits, there are few things than Stardock will be able to do.

XP-64 is unsupported. Emphasizing the important part. Vista 64 and Win7 64 will be supported once the 64 bit version is out. XP 64 is not and will not.

(Aha, found the proof.)

Once again, XP 64. These reasons apply to consumer versions of Windows, like Vista 64 and Win 7 64. XP 64 was an extremely limited release intended for very specific professional usage scenarios, and for driver writers to have something to start working with before Vista. It was never pushed or intended for home use, and support was largely discontinued pretty quickly (officially it was along with normal XP, but normal XP was really better about being supported).

For various reasons, some people wound up with XP 64 on gaming machines, but that's a usage situation that is pretty oddball and not guaranteed to work.

Well to be precise, Vista and Win7 are supported in both 32-bit and 64-bit no matter what.  The difference is that we are working on a native 64-bit version as well but the 32-bit version will also work.

XP 64-bit isn't supported but I imagine the 32-bit version will work.

Yay, updates. Looking forward to testing Elemental's 1Z4 build on this 32-bit windows xp machine

 That's good to know... gives me a reason to triple boot my home gaming system with the Win_7 64Bit version.

The Win 7 64Bit version was not around when I was building my home system and the Vista_64Bit version not only has problems with some of the older games, but would have taken more time tweaking thus I selected to install the XP64Bit version.  While the XP64Bit version was never intended for gaming it works perfectly for all my RTS, TBS and RPG games.  The 'extremely limited release' must be a city retailers reference because it's quite easy to find and purchase a legit copy online.  Luckily due to my career I never need to purchase the operating systems. 

Excellent news... I'll setup my home system to triple boot with Win_7 64Bit version to assist with the beta testing of very very large maps.  I love how Elemental will have maps which will truly be large enough to be a world... playing a single game for weeks before encountering your first  AI  opponent.... the armies, magic, and terrain will provide a very intense experience.

Absolutely, considering that Microsoft terminated OEM reseller version availability back in 2008 and system builder availability in 2009.

Hmmm...it takes 2 hours to create an uber tweaked x64 Vista version with vlite. Also, all of the older games are running on my x64 Vista, including the Dosbox games.

I also missed the poll. I tend to do most forum reading from the Sins site since it is reasonably well organized and the developer journals rise to the top making it easy to find the new threads. The forum native to Impulse is horrible and I generally avoid it unless looking up issues related to other developers. Haven't visited the official Elemental site in months, but now I see there is a need to. That said, bring on V 1Z4 and let the testing renew. I still experienced the occassional CTD with V 1Z3 but save games were stable enough to continue on... Hopefully, the newest patches will address the numerous previously reported bugs as well as help out those still trapped with the XP experience.

Darvroth

Can we expect a Change Log for 1Z4 before Staging tonight? Not to be pushy though...

Hm....what's up with the 1Z4 update? It's friday already!