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Stargate Universe - the second round.

Stargate Universe - the second round.

I was pretty disappointed in the first half season, but I'm willing to cut some slack in the hopes that it gets better.

But if this first episode is any indication, it won't.

 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Altaux, reply 23

The only thing i didnt like was the anticlimactic way the team got back on the ship,

I thought it was funny. Eli and company just show up out of nowhere and Col. Young is like, "WTF are you doing here?" and Eli is all, "Didn't you just rescue us?"

It may have been the most shameless deus ex machina in years, but I think they handled it well. Reminded me of the ending to an SG-1 episode, actually.

Reply #27 Top

You need to see a young Harrison Ford in Blade Runner (classic). Ghost in the Shell was excellent (japanimation). These are similar in a futuristic earth.

While Wing Commander might be on the B side, I loved there methods of space travel.

 

Dont forget "The Day the Earth Stood Still" original. 

Reply #28 Top

myfist0. what does that have to do with SGU?

This topic is not about other SciFi - it is about SGU. If you want to discuss other things, start a thread.

Please stay on topic.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting Twilight_Storm, reply 10


Just for giggles, name a few Sci-Fis you believe fall into the A or Pure category?

-Twilight Storm | My life for the Dahkri

 

Quoting Lughsan, reply 11


Star Wars

Some Star Trek

Babylon 5

Battlestar Galatica

Dune (the Sci Fi mini series)

Alien, Aliens (the rest not so much)

Bladerunner

 

 

Quoting GW, reply 25

...Just for giggles, name a few Sci-Fis you believe fall into the A or Pure category?

I don't buy the notion of 'pure' sci-fi, partly because I prefer the term speculative fiction to science fiction but mostly because the idea of purity just doesn't seem to fit with fiction that is deliberately not realistic. Maybe you mean 'hard' sci-fi, like Jerry Pournelle?

Some Good Science-flavored Screenplay Stuff not in Lughsan's list, in no particular order:


Ghost in the Shell (movie & series)
Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles
Dollhouse
Torchwood
Firefly (and Serenity)
Earth: Final Conflict
Andromeda
Space: Above and Beyond

The thing that loosely ties all these together for me is that they do an above-average job of putting action scenes into larger stories instead of trying to spackle action and effects work together with some hasty scraps of dialog.

I think what might be turning some SG-1 fans off about SGU is that the 'dark' thing is also a 'real dialog' thing where the showrunners are trying to build rich characters to start with instead of letting actors flesh them out over a few seasons. (The original SG-1 team was pure cardboard to me and I never quite got over them choosing Richard Anderson to follow through on Kurt Russel's original treatment of Jack O'Neil. The snarky humour was fun by itself, but it always seemed wrong to me for the Colonel.)

 

 

Quoting Jalicos, reply 13
I wish this forum still showed up on the Elemental site. I never would have noticed this thread if the most recent episode (Lost) hadn't caused me to search for it.

EDIT: How can anyone hope to determine the merits of various sci-fi shows without having seen Babylon 5? It starts out slow and has a rocky first season, but no other show comes close to its intricacies of plot. Watching as all the various threads are slowly, patiently drawn down to a singular moment of crisis is exquisite.

 

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Jalicos, reply 13

EDIT: How can anyone hope to determine the merits of various sci-fi shows without having seen Babylon 5? It starts out slow and has a rocky first season, but no other show comes close to its intricacies of plot. Watching as all the various threads are slowly, patiently drawn down to a singular moment of crisis is exquisite.

this man knows what he's on about.

Reply #31 Top

myfist0, if Moostek things we were threadjacking, then we were.

Season 1.5 still isn't up on Netflix, so I'm still with the Moose in not being sucked in yet but not being solidly disinterested either. Probably depends on how and how much they work that spook stuff with the cameras on the ship and the shenanigans with the comm stones.

Reply #32 Top

Agreed. Just don't like being singled out when 1/3 of the posts are off topic.

Reply #33 Top

Sorry, Myfist0. I wasn't thinking when I made it so directed at you.

It would be nice if the thread could find it's way back, though.

Reply #34 Top

TY Moosetek

SGU is a little to soapy for me. These type of shows I usually wait till the season is over and released then I can easily skip all the crap. I did see 1 or 2 and the stones are a little hoeky. It needs more characters.

Reply #35 Top

I wonder when they'll acquire their first alien crew member.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Moosetek13, reply 35
I wonder when they'll acquire their first alien crew member.

That would be a plus. Thats why I like star trek, every episode had new characters (aliens & human). 

Reply #37 Top

One thing that I have not seen explained yet...

Time dilation.

There seems to be no hint of it, yet they are using an FTL drive that is not the normal sub-space hyperdrive.

Reply #38 Top

Quoting myfist0, reply 34
... SGU is a little to soapy for me.  ... It needs more characters.

That seems almost like a contradiction, what with soaps being entirely about big collections of overlapping groups of characters. I've long wondered when the Trek name-owners will find themselves with an entire cable channel to fill, and if that might finally give rise to a good soap with something like Star Fleet Academy or the Utopia Planitia shipyards as the central setting.

And I guess your complaint is one of the things that has me half-interested still in SGU. Many of my favorite speculative fiction stories are very strong on character stuff and use made-up science and settings for background and the occasional plot mechanic. TV seems weaker than books in that regard, though, because pretty much any show with spaceships or whatnot seems to feel obliged to have substantial amounts of "We need to re-spectacularize the shiny widget so we can compensate for the lack of imagination in the writers' room."

Re time dilation, why would that apply to any form of FTL? I thought the whole thing was about approaching the speed of light with the speed of light as an insurmountable barrier. Going FTL with a 'normal hyperdrive' vs. whatever-the-frak they're using on Destiny still wouldn't be like sublight travel with ramscoops or whatnot.

My main bump with the Destiny's drive is that they've said nothing about how or why it is "not hyperdrive." If the show-runners didn't have some clear ideas in mind before they made the pilot, I surely hope they can follow through on the teaser at some point.

Reply #39 Top

Season Finale tomorrow

Reply #40 Top

Quoting -RAISTLIN-, reply 30

Quoting Jalicos, reply 13
EDIT: How can anyone hope to determine the merits of various sci-fi shows without having seen Babylon 5? It starts out slow and has a rocky first season, but no other show comes close to its intricacies of plot. Watching as all the various threads are slowly, patiently drawn down to a singular moment of crisis is exquisite.

this man knows what he's on about.

Absolutely! And if you're into well done character driven shows it's even more imperative to watch it.

 

SGU on the other hand... Tried to watch another episode after giving up on it after the 5th ep. Still no-go imho.

Reply #41 Top

End of season cliff hanger? Do they really think we wont tune in unless they piss us off first? I mean I've never understood this useless concept or why shows use it. The Lucian Alliance are not scary what-so-ever, the entire thing was so pointless "Oh we cannot evacuate the air because Rush is in there" They could just just vented it enough to incapacitate them all, then all rush in there and tie them up. Glaring plot holes, stupid neutron star coincidence BS, stupid cliffhanger ending that wasn't even that suspenseful since we know full well they aren't going to kill off every main character, we'll lose one at most, but I'd even doubt that. I wonder why I still bother.

The Wire, now that show knew how to end a season. F-ing Brilliant.