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2 vs 2 tournament

2 vs 2 tournament

Hey, Im wondering if some of you would be interrested in a 2 vs 2 tournament. It would be played on either Crucible, Prison or Cataract tell me which one you think fits the best :D Another rule I think should be that only ONE tier 1 demigod is allowed in a team (erebus, oak, ub, rook). This will make people use the lesser played demigods aswell.

Another rule (Cowbuttzex's rule): The second demigod in your team will have to be either Reg, Tb or DA

You want to join but dont have a partner? Here is people to play with.

- tacoguyV1

-Passfail

-brandon_varn

-prozombe

-xXxXxAchillesTGxXxXx

-Maxsteel32

-Zen_God

-synnworld

-SmokingBalrog

-awuffleablehedgie (maybe)

-Maccilia

FINISHED TEAMS

Cowbuttzex and Teseer

Mithrandar and MCshane/renz0kuken/GM-Ninki

Shred_demon and an unknown

awuffleablehedgie and thudercles (maybe)

pacov and trousersnake

 

Are you interrested?

 If so you can reply here and tell me your team.

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Reply #152 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 147

Make the games use the UberFix.
this begs the question - uberfix 1.02 otw?

I've finally gotten more time lately and I've been fixing code. I'm fairly happy with the progress I've made. The bad news is that all the fixes I've done are mostly trivially, I haven't gotten into the big one which is the skill queue fix. I've made attempts at it, but no luck so far. If enough people want to use it, I can release it, but I don't see any big hurry right now. I also would like people to test some of the mini-fixes (e.g., TB fireball fix) to make sure they work. Of course, if I had a big wish, I'd get more people helping out writing code, I'm lazy and bad at it.

Reply #153 Top

Something tells me I won't be able to make it.

Reply #154 Top

Why not Synn?


I'm workin on getting interwebs set back up.

Reply #156 Top

Ok.  Here's what I'm going to do.  And remember - you guys need to act and be responsive if you want this tournament to actually happen.  I'm creating 2 cut off dates. 

  • The first day is this wednesday, 4/7/2010.  That's when registration will end.  Meaning, you have to comit to play in this thread by then.  Tell your buddies to join up.  If you are one of the many folks that indicated interest but haven't formed a team, I will randomly assign teams from ALL of the individuals listed in the OP and post them in this thread on 4/8/2010.  Both you and your teammates need to confirm that you WILL play together by the 2nd cut off date
  • The 2nd cut off date will be Monday, 4/12/2010.  If both you and your teammate have not confirmed that you will play, you will be removed from the roster.

I will create brackets on 4/13/2010 and we will set a schedule.  We will not have this tournament if there are less than 5 teams. 

Synn - are you withdrawing your name and don't wish to play in the tourney?  Please confirm and I won't randomly pair you with someone if you can't find a teammate.

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Reply #157 Top

Quoting synnworld, reply 153
Something tells me I won't be able to make it.

Oh, yes you will. :)

 

Looking at all the names on that list, we do have 11 teams which is really good.

Its good that you are pushing a little pacov. Putting up dates will make things happen here.

 

 

Reply #158 Top

Teseer, do you have your internet back?

Reply #159 Top

I talked em into an extension, but I have no idea how long it will last, lol.

Reply #160 Top

Quoting tacoguyV1, reply 159
I talked em into an extension, but I have no idea how long it will last, lol.

Well than If I can't rely on you than I think ill have to get a new teammate :|

Do you still need a partner Ninki?

Reply #161 Top

fair enough.  Tes - pm hedgie and see if he's willing to take a chance on your internet if thundercles is out.  I will close registration on Wed, so even if you are HOPING shit will work out, get some commitments in.  Remember, I will make teams randomly on Wed for those that don't officially have a team.  It will be completely random, so you are at the luck of the draw. 

Reply #162 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 161
fair enough.  Tes - pm hedgie and see if he's willing to take a chance on your internet if thundercles is out.  I will close registration on Wed, so even if you are HOPING shit will work out, get some commitments in.  Remember, I will make teams randomly on Wed for those that don't officially have a team.  It will be completely random, so you are at the luck of the draw. 

I would love to play with you Teseer but if you cannot  promise me that your internet isn't going to fail on us in the middle of this thing than  I don't want to take the chance :(

Reply #163 Top

Unfortunately I won't be able to take part in this, I'm not quite sure why I'm even on the list. I got kicked off from Mith's team which means I just won't play altogether. The feeling of rejection hurts too much, I'm not handling it well.

Also, I have school stuff here and there until the 19th, so I'm not sure if I can commit to something like this.

Reply #164 Top

Are Renzo, mith and I allowed to rotate with eachother as a 3 man team but only 2 playing at a time?  I am extremely busy this month still writing essays and exams coming up, but if I'm not on Renzo would probably be there to play with mith.  I can't 100% commit but I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for 2 out of the 3 of us to play at the scheduled time. 

Reply #165 Top

Make that a 4 man team, Ninki just told me in msn that he could make time if he had to.  Put us in as team GM whichever 2 of the 4 of us is available will play.  This is unless you can get a full commitment from Renz and Mithrandar to play every game, not sure what their schedules are like for this month.

Reply #166 Top

^It's gonna be tough to get Mith and Renz together at the same time. They're in completely different time zones.

Reply #167 Top

I also don't understand why you can't just impose the 1st rule and omit the 2nd rule. Why does the 2nd demigod have to be DA, TB or Reg? Where are QoT and Occulus?

I find it ironic that the rules were imposed to allow for more variation in teams, but the new rules are just as restricting.

Reply #168 Top

Occ is tier 3???

Reply #169 Top

That's kind of why 2 vs 2 is dumb, no matter how you put it you're not going to see many of the DGs.  It should be 3 vs 3, one of Oak-UB-LE allowed, one of Occulus-Rook-Sedna-QoT, and one of Reg-TB-DA.  And in the second game you can't pick the same pair you used the first game.  If it goes to a tie breaking 3rd game you can pick whatever you want. 

Reply #170 Top

Ill play with hedgie if Thundercles isn't available and if that doesn't work ill play with Zen_God. 

Reply #171 Top

Quoting Cowbuttzex, reply 162


I would love to play with you Teseer but if you cannot  promise me that your internet isn't going to fail on us in the middle of this thing than  I don't want to take the chance

It's not an in the middle of it issue, its a 'will it be on the day the games happen' issue :(

I might be SoL for this as I can't pay em until a week from this coming friday. If the games are gunna be after that, I'll be gravy, but if its before that, I'm boned.

Reply #172 Top

We are sticking with a 2v2 tournament using the rules I listed.  I know we can debate what's already in place, but if we are going to actually do this, we can't debate the same stuff over and over - we need to get moving.  Think of this as our pantheon.  If we can pull it off well without a rediculous amount of headaches and effort, then perhaps we can do it more often and more people will want to participate.  

Here are the current rules again:

Here are the rules I propose:

  • Exactly 1 player on the team MUST choose either Reg, DA, or TB.
  • The 2nd player may choose any Demigod but cannot select the same Demigod as his teammate
  • Each match in the tournament will be the best 2 out of 3
  • All matches will be played on cataract with default settings (the only exceptions being AI HP on Very High and AI Gold/XP on very low)
  • After teams are formed, they will be randomly placed into a bracket to determine who will fight who.  Everything will be random initially in round 1.  In the following rounds, the winners from one game will play the winners from another based on location in the bracket starting from the top on to the bottom.
  • Each team will play 1 round on light side, then 1 round on dark side.  If there is a 3rd round, then teams can decide for themselves (keep in mind the following rule)
  • The team that is on light must pick their characters and ready up first.  Then dark gets to pick and light side does not have a chance to adjust their characters. 
  • To track your wins, you must do the following - post the replay at gamereplays.org.  If you have issues with gamereplays, upload the file to rapid share and provide us with a link.  Also, provide a link to the match in the pantheon and let me know if its a win or loss.  The winning team should do this for each and every match.
  • NEW ADDITION - Uberfix 1.01 must be used.  Uberfix is a mod that simply fixes many of the bugs in Demigod.  Check the modding forum for everything that is fixed by uberfix 1.01. 

And here are the things left to discuss:

I think the one thing we really should agree upon is how crashes and invalid gamestates will be handled.  For crashes, its pretty easy to send in a screenshot showing the crash and to provide the demigod log as further proof.  So, we could establish rules, if desired, to have a match thrown out.  In the last lagwars tournament, if a player crashed, it did not matter.  Whichever team won was the winner, even if a win was only gained because a player crashed out.  We might just want to stick with this method.  I personally thinks its a lousy way to lose a tournament, though, so I personally wouldn't mind if we added some sort of provision.

With regards to invalid gamestates, that gets a little more tricky.  Replays could be used as proof of who was actually winning the game, but a team could simply get a slight advantage and then pull a desync.  I doubt anyone here would do that, but its a possibility.  Perhaps the rule in desyncs is that a 3rd party would have to review the replay and could declare a winner IF and ONLY IF it was quite reasonable to believe that the other team had the game won.

If you were wanting to put money up for the tournament, let us know here.  As of now, its just a tournament for fun and prestige in our community. 

 

Info/research required by one of you guys:

  • Can anyone look into what options we might have for broadcasting a game live or start thinking of ways to get commentary going? 
  • Can anyone confirm whether or not a replay is auto-created in the event of an invalid gamestate?  If one is auto-created, then I think the best way to handle invalid gamestates would be to have someone watch the replay and make a decision as to whether or not the game was going to be a clear win. 

REMEMBER - the first deadline for registration of Wed, 4/7/2010 (2 days from now).  This deadline simply requires that you indicate in this thread that you will play in our tournament.  If you already have a team sorted out, you MUST indicate what your team is.  ANYONE THAT IS REGISTERED BUT DOES NOT HAVE A SET TEAM AS OF 4/7/2010 WILL BE RANDOMLY PAIRED UP WITH A TEAMMATE.  You are agreeing to play with whoever you get as a teammate. 

Re:McShane's question about forming a 2-4 man team that will only play 2 individuals - on one side, I don't think that's necessarily fair, but if its just a scheduling thing and you guys aren't confident you can make it, then I don't really have any major problems with it.  This is a bad practice (imo) if many want to adopt it as we are obviously losing people that could have participated as a separate team in the tournament. 

Oh - and once the brackets are made, we'll set a date range for round 1.  It will be up to the teams in that bracket to coordinate when they will play during that date range.  I'm not going to micro the lot of you. We will have set date and times for the finals at the very least though.

 

 

 

 

Reply #173 Top

I think the commentators idea is great. People will want to watch these games to improve their game, for entertainment, and to keep up with what's happening in the tournament. If they just watch the replay, less experienced players may not get as much out of it without an expert commentary. It's also more entertaining, replays can be dull. A good informative, witty, and insightful commentary from a team with good chemistry could greatly add to the replays. If done well, it would help spread awareness of the tournament, and even the game itself. I suggest that if everyone is cool with the commentary idea, that some auditions be held for anyone who wants to bring a commentary team, or try out for one. We could post some interesting replays and check out people's commentary of them, and then we could vote for the best team, or individuals. If we get any good commentary teams it could significantly improve the tournament, because the games may be intense for the people playing them, but anyone else that wants to watch a game afterwards would benefit from a good commentary I think.

As far as the logistics of it, I would suggest that the commentators would download the replay of each game, convert it into a video and then add their commentary, creating a video of the match with their commentary of the game added to the sound of the video. I can do this fairly easily. Once this is done, the videos can be posted somewhere and people can stream them. Doing live broadcasts of the games would be more problematic and the commentary may need to be edited, live commentating is hard.

I am announcing that I will be playing as shred_demon's "unknown" partner. I have discussed this with him and we're signing up. Also if there are to be commentator auditions or voting or whatever, I'd like to put myself into the mix, possibly with shred demon as my co-commentator. Having one of the teams do commentary may seem a bit biased, but in reality anyone who's interested enough in this tournament to be willing to put that kind of time into it, will be biased in some way even if they aren't a participant. Obviously the commentators should try and stay as impartial as possible. When doing commentary on my own match I would just pretend I'm watching someone else’s replay.

I'd also like to weigh in on crashes/dc/invalid game states. I think the best way to handle it is, if someone crashes or dc's somehow unintentionally, i.e. power outage, internet disconnect, some sort of routing issue between the players, anything really. Or crashes and drops out of the game, the players involved in that match should see if they can come to a consensus on whether one of two things happens: 1. no clear winner was apparent and they do the same match again with the same demigods and teams, or 2: it is agreed that one team was winning and give the win to that team. If they can't agree on a winner or that the game should be redone, then the replay of the game should be reviewed by someone or more than one person and they should weigh in on it. I'm sure we can figure out what should be done in these cases if the players in that match don't agree. As for invalid game states, I’m fairly certain that the last game file stores data up until the demigod process is terminated, whether that is because they pressed exit, pressed exit on an invalid error, or ended the process. I tested this by starting a game and then ending the dg process after 2 min and then checking the replay file, it showed the 2 min and then me leaving after and it just ends without a result. If and invalid error happens, the players in the game should try and resolve it the same way as if there was a dc, if they CANT come to a consensus, they can submit the replay, and whatever other data they can come up with to support their arguments, and we should review this information and try to come up with a verdict, whether to redo the game or to declare a winner. If the same team causes or is suspected to have caused more than one invalid game state and this seems to be working to their advantage somehow, they should be disqualified after a thorough review of the facts. I know this is a lot of work to do in the case of anything buggy or crashy or dcy or invalid happening, but this is DEMIGOD. If we don't have rules about this that take into account the fact that this stuff happens OFTEN in this game, it is likely that teams will get unfairly treated if such unfortunate things happen.

And one question, I get that the first match is one team on light side, pick first, second match is the opposite and if each team wins one of these you stated that "If there is a 3rd round, then teams can decide for themselves (keep in mind the following rule)". I don't understand what you mean by the teams can decide for themselves, clearly each team will want to be light side in the 3rd game, there has to be a rule for how this gets determined or the third match will be one sided. I propose that for the third match, the teams pre-pick their dg lineups without any knowledge of the other team's lineup, basically each side is blind making it kind of even. Problem with this is one team is going to randomly have the advantage in most situations and this will break the tie unfairly. The only fair way to do it is to keep playing 2 game sets where each team gets light side once until one team wins both light and dark in the same set. This could theoretically take forever unfortunately which leads me to conclude we either need someone to come up with another way to organize that 3rd match that’s fair, or risk really long matchups. One other way that might work but is contingent on players being cooperative is that in the third match instead of blind or one team first, they get to conference about it. For example light side picks oak tb, and then dark side picks ere reg, the light side then gets to change their combo if they wish, if they do the dark side can change theirs again if they want, and this would continue until they reach a matchup satisfying everyone. Problem with this scenario is that stubborn players could deadlock it. Anyways all of my proposed solutions have upsides and downsides, let me know what you guys think. Sorry for the crazy long post but I just found out about this whole thing today and I had a lot of catching up to do ;)

 

Reply #174 Top

ustream.tv provides free live hosting used in many live game streams.  I fiddled around with it and I'm pretty sure I have it worked out.  I might test it out and post a live game with just the normal vent conversation from my mic (not going to be interesting like a commentary, just to see how it works out).  The only problems I see is that it's very taxing with demigod on my quadcore.. about 76% cpu usage ftl.  It could cause unwanted lag in game with the way the game is configured : / Anyway.. I'll probably do that tonight.

 

Would be cool to have 2 people commentating, one on light the other on dark, both with ui mods to easily see character items / gold and check the citadel upgrades, and just have those 2 people sit behind the crystal to not interfere in any way, using the excellent camera options to observe everything.  

 

For anyone else wanting to test it out, download ustream producer (http://www.ustream.tv/producer) and set up an account.  I couldn't seem to get it to just show demigod application even though it's an option, so I stuck with just showing fullscreen and running demigod in maximized windowed mode which worked fine.  

Reply #175 Top

Quoting Cowbuttzex, reply 130
replays still work, what was eliminated was the personal for the demigod portals. There is no longer a game admin, stratedgy specialist,  replay reviewer etc.. etc.. for the portal.

So post replays as much as you can dammit! and talk on the boards I am lonely there!

Can you really blame me? I talked to the very devs who worked on this game at PAX East including Scathis. Demigod just had too many issues, and was never going to get more patches especially considering the internal problems at GPG. We all know how forced the 2 post release demigods felt. Occulus had abilities that just didn't work. It was best for GR.org just to move on to SupCom 2, which has had super solid support with a significant patch every week almost.