In the News, Teacher Sex Scandal, Amy V. Beck

She is hot, but I have seen some dogs in the news.  Would you have jumped at the chance to do it with a not so pretty one when you were 14?

Just curious.

lol Probably. When I was 14 I was the worlds biggest Horn Dog. Honestly, when I think back to the girl I lost my virginity to....man, she was UUUUUUGLY. When I was a teenage horn dog I'd do any chick I could get my hands on just about. Of course I'm not that way now, haven't been for years, and I'm happily married now. Back then though I was a completely different person.

I for must agree with you. People seem to be paranoid about these things.

it's all possible that she took advantage of him and manipulated him into doing what she wanted. But in the end was thsi really damaging? I think not. I was lucky enough to have sex with older women when I was 16 and it certainly was not bad for me on the contrary.

I think people should lighten up. I would not allow her to teach anymore but I certainly would not put her in prison. Waste of time.

I love honesty.  I would probably have as well.  But I lost mine to a hottie (student).  Why?  She wanted to cheat off my papers in a class.  yea, that made me feel real dirty (NOT).

And my ex wondered why I did not trust ANY guys around my daughters.

The laws are there to protect minors for when the older person has totally corrupted them, and it does happen.  Even girls as young as 10 can fancy men, does that mean it's alright in your book that if she does and the older guy teaches her some things that's cool?

At the end of the day you have to have a cut off age, whether the young girl/boy wants it or not is not the issue, I know I wanted it before I even had a penis moustache, but if some sicko 30 something year old shagged my sister when she was 13 I'd of been ok with the death penalty!

I'm kind of on your side about one thing though, and this is because of the culture I've been brought up in, I don't really see it as a big deal when some female teacher shags a 14 year old boy, I mean 10 year old is just blatantly wrong, but 14?  Pfft there is NO negative effect on a 14 year old boy of getting laid apart from the usual risks.  If she gets herself pregnant I say that it's not the minors responsibility but apart from that was has she done to him really?  Increased his classroom rep and helped him grow up faster.

On the flip side of the coin though I would totally freak if some 30 something guy was shagging a 14 year old girl, I'm not short of saying some of them 14 year olds are attractive but seriously they are way too young to be taken advantage of like that, it messes with girls emotions a lot more than guys (I'm just going by what many women say when they are older in court cases) and there are way bigger risks for young girls.

Of course I agree there should be a "cut off age". In my book a 10, 11, 12, or maybe even a 13 year old isn't mature enough to make their own decisions regarding sex. When a person hits their middle teenage years though that changes I think. Personally I would have a problem with a 30 year old and a 13 year old, no matter who is male or female, But I don't see a problem with say, a 15 year old and a 23 year old. Look at my wife and I for example. We're 9 years and 11 months apart in our age difference (might as well call it 10 years). I'm 31, about to be 32, and she's 21, about to be 22. If her and I would have started seeing each other when she was 10 and I was 20 I definitely would deserve to be locked up and have the key thrown away. Still, no matter what way you want to think of it, her and I are 10 years apart. The only thing that makes that ok was our ages when we met and got together.

Now lets examine this in the popular media, case in point, Miley Cyrus.

My wife is a Miley Cyrus fan. She got a magazine a while back (last year some time) with a article about Miley in it and I read it. In it she talked about her "Boyfriend" and how they met. Her Dad, Billy Ray, introduced them and got them together. She was 15 and her boyfriend was 22. How come the world isn't up in arms calling for Him to be put in jail? how come people aren't screaming and calling Him a pedophile? Because the Cyrus's are rich, famous, and have power. The fact that Billy Ray is "ok" with it isn't an issue here I don't think. Either make Miley's boyfriend a Sex Offender, OR, let every Sex Offender who had sex with a 15 year old when they were in their 20's go (as long as it wasn't rape). The Laws should be static and equal for ALL, not for some.

A while back there was a Florida Congressman who was emailing pictures of a teenage boy in his underwear around. This man is OBVIOUSLY a Pedophile and a sicko, yet is he in trouble? No. He got off the hook by saying it was because of his "alcohol" problem. If any other person would have tried to pull this kind of a defense in court the judge would of laughed at him and thrown the guy in jail, but because it was a Congressman the whole thing got dropped and the kids parents got a pay-off. Fair? Not at all. They should hang that sicko, but they won't because he's Powerful.

Bottom line though, when I become a father, I'd rather have my 16 year old daughter dating a guy who's a little older and more responsible then a fellow teenager. Why? Because if the 20 something guy who's with my teenage girl gets her pregnant he's more likely to stick around and do "the right thing" while a teenage boy is going to get scared and run because he won't be ready to handle the responsibility.

The idea is that a person her age should know how a fourteen year old is and how difficult it is for them to resist that sort of offer and not to tap into it for twisted self-gratification. The blame isn't on the fourteen year old (though you are right in that he is reponsible for his own decisions) but it is on the woman for the choice she made from a position of maturity--a choice most fourteen year olds aren't fuilly equipped to make.  So his first "experience" is with a woman with psychological problems and the event will follow him for a long time. 

Whether or not the child sees it as a "Hell Yeah!" moment or if it damaged him, the law is to punish adults for manipulating the maturity of children in unethical ways.  That's why the condemnation is on her.  Go read the accounts of these hot teacher types--they have serious major psycological issues.  It isn't just about "a good time".

1 in 1000 men 20 years or younger could be termed 'responsible', probably less

1 in 100 men between the age of 20 and 30 could be termed 'responsible', probably less

1 in 20 men of any age older than 30 could be termed 'responsible', probably less

because of the above, 1 in 4 of all children aged 10 or younger on this planet have been sexually abused. most of those children are girls. most of the abusers are men. if we are lenient with sex laws this will get much worse. if we say 'ok lets be lenient with women' then its bollocks with all the rest of the progress made with gender equality. think about it.

I have to say I agree with "most" of your statement. I would like to think when I was 14 I was pretty mature for my age. I do know though that I was more then capable when it came to making decisions about which girls I wanted to "play doctor" with. I don't think people give our kids enough credit. Children (and by that I mean anyone under 18) in today's world are by far much smarter about everything then children two generations ago, or even one generation ago. I think a sicko might have a chance of talking a 10 or 11 year old into doing something they shouldn't, but a older teen? No way. You can't talk a 16 year old into truly doing something they don't want to do without threats or leverage of some kind. Teens today are way too smart to fall for something like that, I know I was.

Also you should take into account that girls today, even younger girls and pre-teens, are NOT the sweet innocent little flowers they were 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago. In the back woods, somewhat redneck community I grew up in, as sad as it is to say this, there were plenty of girls in the "young teen" range that specifically targeted older guys to date. Granted my family was poorer back then and that community is what you would call the redneck version of a inner city "hood", but I'd assume the same thing went on in most upper class suburbs. Some girls are "hoes" regardless of age. Besides that, teenagers are going to have sex if they want to have sex. I never knew a girl that wouldn't chose a more experienced hand over that of a bumbling boy who didn't know what he was doing.

One of the relationships I had when I was a teen makes me think about the "experience" factor. I had this girlfriend, Sera, when I was 17. She was 15. We were almost 3 years apart in age, more like 2 and a 1/2 years. Well, after Sera and I had sex she ran off and told all her little girl friends how good the sex was. Over the next 6 months or so every "best friend" she had worked her way to me by being her friend so they could take a shot at getting me in bed. Why? Was it because they all had sucky boyfriends? No. I think it was because Sera bragged about me and they all wanted a experience like that instead of the 15 and 16 year old boyfriends they had.

Girls today will lie, sneak, hide, cheat, and anything else they think they have to do to get the "love" and "attention" they want. They do things that girls a generation or two ago would find incredibly distasteful and never do at all. Is society to blame? Is there suddenly a rash of bad parenting going around? Who knows.

Also, as you say, there are Lots of women (and men) out there with drastic psychological issues and I think out of everyone involved in something like this those are the people I feel the most sorry for. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of True "sickos" out there, But, half of these so called sickos just need help or someone to love. Instead they are treated like monsters and demonized and not given the help they need. Incarceration isn't always the answer.

I agree with your last statement in the fact that these laws need to be the same for both men and women. I don't agree with those numbers though. Anyone can be responsible for their own actions and know what it is they are getting into. When I was a "kid" I was incredibly responsible. For more then a few years I was a "Latch Key Kid" if anyone remembers that term. I would come home from school to a empty house and I was responsible for my own actions until my parents got home (which was only a couple hours a day really, and I wasn't THAT young, 14). I was responsible to make sure I didn't burn down the house if I cooked a snack. I was responsible enough not to let any shady characters in if I was the only one home. I was responsible and not allowed to have any friends come over after school to hang out unless one of my parents was home. Responsibility in my eyes is something a Honest person, no matter the age, takes upon themselves.

I know when/if I have a son, like me, he would never get a girl pregnant and leave her. He'll "do the right thing" because that's how I will raise him to be. Responsibility, like many other things in life, is a learned behavior and something a honest person can't help but take.

If only she had kept her mouth shut...

I don't know, I have a feeling there might be more to this story than what's been told.  While it's possible that she may indeed be wracked by guilt, I have to think there's more.  Is it possible that someone was trying to blackmail her about what happened and by her coming forward she was able to end it?  A couple of places I read that her husband is a member of the Burbank Police Dept.

Yes, her husband is a cop. I feel sorry for him too. He's got to feel like the smallest man on Earth. How lame would you have to be to have a smokin hot wife like that cheat on you with a kid? I can't begin to imagine how he feels because I'll bet what I just said is what most people will think when it comes to his position.

Everything that's been released so far says that she turned herself in out of the guilt she felt. Her husband didn't know, the kids parents didn't know, no-one knew. If that is indeed true then I think it's impossible to say this woman is a true sicko or monster. A real monster wouldn't feel guilty.

It also bears a resemblance to the Mary Kay Letourneau trial of the 90's. She was in a situation with a student. She did seven years in prison, and now, her and the student are married with two children. No one can say thier "love" wasn't fated to be. She may be a registered Sex Offender, but she has the man she wanted, he has the woman he wanted, and they have a happy family. The Only thing dragging them down is the label society continues to place on her. She's served her time, she doesn't go after children as she hasn't since her release, do we really need to spend Tax Payer Money to keep track of this woman as a Sex Offender for the rest of her life? No, I don't think so. Yet another part of our Draconian Sex Laws that needs to be re-evaluated.

I have a friend of mine, we'll call him "John", who I grew up with. He was one of my best friends for many years and still would be had we not lost touch over the years. Well, John got screwed by the system on a technicality when he had just turned 18 because of his girlfriend's father and as far as I know, to this same day some 15 years later, John still has to re-register every six months as a Sex Offender. I know for a FACT he's not some child molester. John wouldn't even put down his dog that had cancer, he was that soft hearted, and his family was very religious. John would never, Ever, touch a child in any way. The last I heard from John he moved to a city here in Volusia County called Deltona but when the local parents found out a "Sex Offender" moved into the neighborhood they organized a protest and marched outside his house until he sold the place and moved. Not one of those people ever looked into the Details of John's case, or they would have never drove him out of his home. He married his High School sweetheart by the way, the same one he got in trouble for, who he couldn't see after his charge until she too turned 18 and told her parents to go screw themselves. They have two kids of their own and were very happy the last time I saw them.

The system is so messed up that it's let Obviously sick individuals back INTO society while persecuting a guy who was 17, and turned 18 while he and his girlfriend were both in High School. She was only 16. Her Dad didn't like him and as soon as he turned 18 he called the cops and turned him in. Now John has to register as a Sex Offender every six months or go to prison. The system keeps track of him, has cops check on him at home, and the label keeps him from ever getting a good job. Is that fair? Why keep track of him? Why waste money doing that when the system didn't keep track of the real monsters who were ALREADY in the system like the sicko who killed poor Jessica Lundsford. We need laws to protect our children, but NOT the laws we have now. They're just as ineffective as the "War on Drugs". A Huge waste of our money that does Nothing to fix the real problem. Because of the nature of the laws though, because no one will ever stand up for a wrongly chastised "Sex Offender", these laws hurt more families and more children then they'll Ever help. Daddy's a Sex Offender and can't get a good job, not even as a garbage man, so now his kids will grow up in a bad neighborhood. They might not get what they want for Christmas because Daddy can't make any money because of his mistake when he was a "Kid" himself. The whole system is a sad over-protective charade that does nothing but placate bad parents into feeling safe.

This sort of reminds me of traditional Samoan marriage custom. There, all young people are married to older folks. Young boys are married to older women. Younger girls are married to older men. Then, when the older mate dies, the widow(er) get the inheritance and it's their turn to marry someone young.

I might be confusing Samoan culture with that of another pacific island, though.

Might I voice Sigmund Freud's opinion?

"There are two tenets of psychoanalysis which offend the whole world and excite its resentment. ... The first of these displeasing propositions of psychoanalysis is this: that mental processes are essentially unconscious ... [the] next propositions consists in the assertion that ... sexual impulses have contributed invaluably to the highest cultural, artistic, and social achievement of the human mind. ... Society can conceive of no more powerful menace to its culture that would arise from the liberation of the sexual impulses and a return of them to their original goal. (Freud. pp. 25-7)"

This is factually incorrect, at least as far as America is concerned. HHS and DOJ stats say the breakdown is 65 percent boys and 35 percent girls. With 78 percent of abusers being parents, the remainder being primarily professionals, broken down to teachers, clergy, and police taking the three largest chunks of that group. That said I'm not sure what to make of this. When I was 14 I was 6'2 245 lbs and didn't mind at all that women didn't bother asking me how old I was, then again I may shoot someone if they tried to bang one of my nieces.

Well I do agree that the law regarding 18 isn't right.  There needs to be something that allows someone say up to age 20 to be able to have a sexual relationship with someone 2 years younger than them.  I mean there needs to be some common sense and recognize that kids are going to have relationships with other kids who are a couple years younger/older than them.  So why not write in that consideration? 

Actually they do have something like that here in Florida, it's called the "Romeo and Juliet Act". From what John told me about it the criteria to be eligible for it are very strict and practically impossible to accomplish. Apparently the State of Florida doesn't like admitting they were wrong and even worse they are financially motivated to keep registered Sex Offenders re-registering to make money. Not to mention if he ever fails to re-register they will throw him in prison for a minimum of five years (the State makes money every day for every prisoner it has through Federal programs). If they cut a Sex Offender loose they lose all that income, look bad for admitting they were wrong, they lose the possible income from throwing them back in jail or prison, and they get jumped on by angry parents for letting a "Monster" go unchecked into society. I've lived in Florida all my life and I can only recall ever hearing about 3 Sex Offenders in the news that were removed from being actual "Sex Offenders". The reason they were even in the news wasn't because of their original crimes, but because it was "News" that they were being left off the list, which in turn got all kinds of parents up in arms because these parents just saw the headline "Sex Offender Removed from Registration" and they freaked out and started protesting.

Because of the whole stigma involved with the laws and even the very term its-self, Sex Offender, people automatically assume the worst. I do completely understand why someone would jump to that conclusion though as most Sex Offenders deserve everything they get (and more). The problem lies with the State and what it considers to be a "Sex Offender". People don't think about guys like "John" and the fact that there are THOUSANDS of so called "Sex Offenders" in Florida who's crime wasn't violent or devious in any way. Hell, in Florida, if you stop on the side of a deserted road to take a emergency pee, and someone drives by and see's you and turns you in for "Indecent Exposure", THAT is considered a "Sex Crime" and now that person is looked on as a baby raper. Fair? Not even a little bit.

Honestly I think all these Laws were designed just to make more money for State Governments. Why? Lets look at our legal history through the 70's and 80's. We didn't have a million different kinds of Sex Laws back then, yet everything went along just fine with the Justice System didn't it ? We still had programs in our schools that taught kids about abuse, and "bad touching", and drugs, and all that other stuff. We had "Rape" as a "Crime", not a "Sex Crime". Did it really need a additional label to make it any worse? Murder was still a Crime and still is, whether someone murders a child or a adult, it's still Murder. If someone rapes and murders a adult, they should get the Death Penalty. If someone Rapes and Murders a child, they should get the Death Penalty. Do we really need extra laws to try to prevent the same thing? No, we don't.

Having more Laws means they file new paper work and make MORE money. The average person thinks this is just a drain on tax payers, but it isn't. The people who work for the State get PAID. If there's MORE WORK they get PAID MORE. It's an endless cycle that does nothing but drain even MORE tax payer money to line the pockets of Lawyers, Judges, Correction's Officers, even Road Workers and County employee's benefit from it because when these people are in prison they do State work that saves them having to pay a actual worker 7 to 10 dollars a hour.

Did you also know that it's a fact that out of ALL the countries of the Entire World, The United States has the HIGHEST POPULATION of "Prisoners" ? Hmmmm, I wonder why that is. Is because our society is Really THAT BAD? It couldn't be because the State and Federal Governments MAKE MONEY by Keeping People In The System could it? No, of course not, they'd never do that...

First off (and kind of irelevent) you call that   hot?

Sexual relationships need to be on an even footing mentally otherwise all sorts of manipulation/mindwarping/advantage taking can take place. There is a BIG difference mentally between a 14 year old and a 20somthing year old. The fact that most 14 year old boys would be gagging for it immediatly puts them at a disadvantage to be manipulated by an older/wiser predator.

Yes im sure some turn out fine, but if this kind of thing was allowed by law a lot of kids would end up very screwed up and there would be no system to protect them.

One of my uncles always gets jealous when one of these stories hits the news...

No corporal punishment, and too many morality crimes on the books.  If we'd legalize drugs and beat the living shit out of non-violent offenders instead of jailing them, it would be really low.  A large portion of the violence itself is drug related as well, no turf wars between gangs without any money to make.

man seems everything these days is sexiest one way or the other seems humans are just becoming animals.

Drugs and alcohol are the problems behind most things but it really depends on how people grow up and what got them into the things they do that makes them what they are today.

It's not just society that's changed. It's also the body.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4530743.stm

It seems like we're maturing faster nowadays.

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A little side note on what Raven X talked a bit:

A white man shoots a white man- it's a crime.

A white man shoots a black man- it's a Racist crime.

It's happening here quite often (Canada) on anything: a few black guys do a home invasion, the cops arrive, shoots one (since he was armed wiht a pistol and was treathing/shooting at the cops) then the Black League comes around saying the cops (who happens to be white) shot the black guy because he was black, the guy's mother cries on TV saying her son was a good kid and was "manipulated" by the other home invaders to do that, etc etc etc...So good he was, shooting at cops, beating helpless people and stealing them in thier own home, yeah right.

Ther Jewish assembly is the same: the opposition here, a few days ago, said it was agaisnt the gouverment financing privately owned school who had a strong emphasis on Religion (to the point of barely covering the mandatory classes, if not, NOT even teaching them), Enter the Canadian Jewish aseembly (called..something or another) calling them a bunch of racist.

Haven't you heard the news about the separation of church and state?  iT'S ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR, 40-50 YEARS NOW?

Another good example was Operation Scorpion done around Quebec City by Quebec City police: they find some prostitution ring where the girls were underaged (14-17) and the black pimps (yes they were blacks) didn't get nothing, short of the proverbial slap on the wrist, using the dumb argument that pimping young woman was a cultural habit from whatever country they came from. (That and the rest of the investigation was dropped due to "lack of fund", officially, but non-officially, members of Parliement and local Celebrities were counted as customers of said prostitution ring, so before big names could be dropped, the investigation was instead.)

Not to mention all the sex offenders who get to serve thier sentences in the community (AKA ankle bracelet, or can't get out of their homes) and here (dunno about the US) when someone's in jail during thier trial, that time counts for double toward their sentence: so spend 1 month in jail during your trial counts toward 2 months on your sentence.

Justice may be blind, but it seems she's dumb as bricks (OH NOES, SEXIST)

The word Email (male) is so sexist.  Proper terminology is EPERSON!  I'm shocked shocked at the blatant display of typical male gamer sexist bigotry on this forum.

Seriously, the law must be applied to all citizens equally reguardless of sex, race, origin, beliefs and ideology.  The law has clearly mandated no sexual relations with minors.  If she was ugly would it make any difference?

I suppose you could use the presidential defense and cry victim via sexual addiction as many national celebrites do because we all know the elite are special and above the law not subject to it unlike us mere mortals.

Politics is often abused to make ethical and legal exceptions to the detriment of society.  Liberal democracy has no defense against moral decay.