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HOTTEST JANUARY EVER

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/160556
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http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/160556

"CLIMATE scientists yesterday stunned Britons suffering the coldest winter for 30 years by claiming last month was the ­hottest January the world has ever seen.


The remarkable claim, based on global satellite data, follows Arctic temperatures that brought snow, ice and travel chaos to millions in the UK.

At the height of the big freeze, the entire country was blanketed in snow. But Australian weather expert Professor Neville Nicholls, of Monash University in Melbourne, said yesterday: “January, according to satellite data, was the hottest January we’ve ever seen."

 

Wow!.

Global warming must be real! We really need to takes some serious steps to curtail this planetary heat wave, which threatens to cover so much of the earth in snow and ice!!!

This warming trend that has brought record high global temperatures this past month, and year (indeed this past decade - even though it has been admitted by the lead 'scientist' that there has been no significant warming in the past 15 years...), and record snowfalls to so many areas on the planet, must be STOPPED!!!

The only way I can see to do it effectively is to cap CO2 emissions, or at least introduce a trade system whereby heavily polluting industries can buy 'carbon credits' from lesser polluters so they can keep pumping out their normal amounts whilst passing the costs onto the stupid consumers.

Funny, but I don't see anything about how much higher the temps were. And I don't see anything about which data was used, or how much it would cost if a private person were to try and recreate the data. Because I just did a search on my local area of San Diego. The data I wanted, from just three stations in my area, would cost me nearly $700 to obtain.

 

When will the madness end? We are burning up, even as we are trying so desperately to keep warm.

Our coastal cities are being flooded as we type - so 'they' say.

Nero fiddled as Rome burned. Are we doing the same?

Or, did he know something we have yet to grasp?

 

Maybe we simply need to live and adapt with an ever changing planet, instead of trying to be control-freaks that try to control even Mother Nature.

 

 

 

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Reply #351 from Sins Forums Top

Sure it is, the entire world will become a lifeless desert, haven't you seen the videos?

Reply #352 from JoeUser Forums Top

Climate Scientist Phil Jones Exonerated by British House of Commons

"The British House of Commons today issued a report exonerating Professor Phil Jones, the director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.  Dr. Jones was embroiled in controversy following the theft of internal emails and documents from the University’s servers in November of last year."

"The report states that “the focus on CRU and Professor Phil Jones, Director of CRU, in particular, has largely been misplaced,” and that Dr. Jones’s actions were “in line with common practice in the climate science community,” and the CRU’s “analyses have been repeated and the conclusions have been verified.”

"The review by the House of Commons’ Science and Technology Committee began in January in the wake of the ‘Climategate’ media frenzy.  While the committee’s report recommends that climate scientists should seek to improve transparency in their work, release raw data when possible, and provide more detail on their methodologies, the committee firmly concludes that there was no dishonesty on the part of Dr. Jones and the CRU.  The committee compared the results of other independent analyses of climate data to that they are consistent and independently verifiable."

Here's the 63 page House of Commons report.

In other words "Much ado about nothing".

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Reply #353 from JoeUser Forums Top

So the House of Commons is now the final arbiter of science.  Cool.

the committee’s report recommends that climate scientists should seek to improve transparency in their work, release raw data when possible, and provide more detail on their methodologies

We'll see whether they do.

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Reply #354 from Sins Forums Top

Lawmakers stressed that their report -- which was written after only a single day of oral testimony -- did not cover all the issues and would not be as in-depth as the two other inquiries into the e-mail scandal that are still pending.

Interesting.

Willis said the lawmakers had been in a rush to publish something before Britain's next national election, which is widely expected in just over a month's time.

"Clearly we would have liked to spend more time of this," he said, before adding jokingly: "We had to get something out before we were sent packing."

Indeed.

Reply #355 from JoeUser Forums Top

Interesting.
Indeed.
Mind telling us where you're quoting from?

Reply #356 from Sins Forums Top

Yeah, it's probably some right wing news network, like CNN!

 

A verification of honesty by the people paying for his results is pretty worthless.  If he's altered his findings for their funding, they'll be the last people to dispute them.

 

Much noise is made over the "trick" to hide the decline, but none of it is substantive.  Combination of conflicting datasets to create a single output is claimed as standard practice.  Either it's a lie and they're trying to screw us, or it isn't and they're all trying to screw us.  In either case, it's not science and no political body saying otherwise is going to mean a damn thing.

Reply #358 from JoeUser Forums Top

A verification of honesty by the people paying for his results is pretty worthless. If he's altered his findings for their funding, they'll be the last people to dispute them.
A Parliamentary inquiry is a pretty big fucking deal. Certainly if such an inquiry found any evidence of wrong doing you would have been all over it like stink on shit. But given that Parliament *totally* exonerated Phil Jones, all you're left with is sour grapes. 

Deal with it.

And as far as your paranoid delusions that "they're trying to screw us" you can leave me and the sane half of the country out of it. They're trying to screw *you*, not us.

Too bad for you.

Reply #359 from JoeUser Forums Top

AP International
Would it have hurt you to include the link without having to be asked each time?

Reply #360 from JoeUser Forums Top

A Parliamentary inquiry is a pretty big fucking deal. Certainly if such an inquiry found any evidence of wrong doing you would have been all over it like stink on shit. But given that Parliament *totally* exonerated Phil Jones, all you're left with is sour grapes.

dj's info suggests the term *totally* might not be applicable in this case.  Delude yourself that a political committee is qualified to pass judgment if you must.  You clearly do since it suits your bias anyway.

Reply #361 from Sins Forums Top

And as far as your paranoid delusions that "they're trying to screw us" you can leave me and the sane half of the country out of it. They're trying to screw *you*, not us.

 

Just because you're enjoying your assraping doesn't mean you will bleed any less in the end. :)

Reply #362 from JoeUser Forums Top

Just because you're enjoying your assraping doesn't mean you will bleed any less in the end.
Damn you! Just when you've pissed me off the most, you have to go and make me laugh. It's hard to keep a good hate going when you're laughing. But you do know that you are an asshole don't you?

Reply #364 from JoeUser Forums Top

Silly question, dj.

Reply #365 from Sins Forums Top

I know, but I'm a glutton for punishment.

Reply #366 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Silly question, dj.
:thumbsup:

Mumbles, what is your take on this bit of news
Seems to be saying that Arctic ice had a bad Feburary but a good March. OK I can buy that as long as you don't try to make some momentous conclusion from it.

Watts gets his graph from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) and makes a big fuss over crossing the "normal" ice extent line. However this "normal" ice extent line is merely for the average of the 1979-2000 basline. In other words about the ice extent expected in 1990.

So OK the March ice extent is expected to reach the average ice extent from 20 years ago. That's nice but what real information does this provide?

Going to the source of Watts data (the NSIDC) and grabbing a chart that Watts didn't bother to show seems a bit more illustrative.

So like global average temperature, Arctic Sea Ice extent varies year to year but is seen to have a close to linear rate of decline over the 1979 to 2010 interval of 2.9% per decade.

What sea ice did in Feburary or what sea ice did in March is far less interesting then what sea ice is doing over time so unless something drastically happens to alter the trend a good month here and a bad month there is pretty much expected.

Reply #367 from Sins Forums Top

Damn you! Just when you've pissed me off the most, you have to go and make me laugh. It's hard to keep a good hate going when you're laughing. But you do know that you are an asshole don't you?

 

Excellent news, humor being the only thing left to live for now that the commies have taken over, I feel validated in my existence now!  Not sure why you need to make sure I'm self aware though...

 

Btw, you're down to a sane third of the country now.

 

Going to the source of Watts data (the NSIDC) and grabbing a chart that Watts didn't bother to show seems a bit more illustrative.

 

Your source is obviously an April fools joke!

 

I fail to see how the ice extent being in decline over the last thirty years is an invalidation of the post.  The March ice extent is indeed of average proportions, and those idiot scientists did indeed say it would, conservatively, all be gone by 2013.  It's yet another unfounded, alarmist statement by scientists that fails to hold water.  Since it's called ice when solidified.

 

They've been foaming at the mouth over this stuff for years now, and the change in extent is only a few percentage points three years from the apocalypse.  Sort of like how we're all going to drown when the sea level rises 20 feet, and yet we're still a few feet down from relatively recent sea levels from just a few hundred years ago.

Reply #368 from JoeUser Forums Top

I fail to see how the ice extent being in decline over the last thirty years is an invalidation of the post.
I didn't say it did.

As far as 2013 that seems to have been predicted by one group headed by Professor Wieslaw Maslowski who isn't someone that I've ever heard of before.

Given that his prediction is only 3 years away I guess you won't have very long to wait to see if he was right or wrong. It's still conceivable that he could be right after all.

In any case I don't think many main stream climatologists have bet their reputations on the 2013 ice free date.

Your source is obviously an April fools joke!
Really. I don't think so. Just follow the link that Watts provides and the chart I listed is there.

Reply #369 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

April 1, and it was snowing San Diego County this morning.

 

Must be... you know...

Reply #370 from JoeUser Forums Top

April 1, and it was snowing San Diego County this morning.
I actually started a new job on April 1st, 1997 and overnight it had snowed about 2 feet in the Boston area. Not thinking that the place would be open but not being famliar with their cancellation policy and not knowing what else to do I went to work on what was supposed to be my first day.

It was a pretty long commute from Concord, MA to Peabody, MA but there was very little traffic (naturally) and the plows had been out since the storm was not unexpected. All in all it wasn't a difficult commute. When I got there the building was closed but the guards let me bring in a few boxes of databooks and then I went back home. The only traffic I met were a couple of snowmobilers out on 128 (the major "inner loop" around boston).

That certainly was a once in a lifetime experience.

While it's probably doubtful that San Diego got 2 feet of snow, your experience sounds even more unlikely.

But even to this day a lot of furniture stores, car dealerships and the like have promos where if it snows some specified amount on April 1st your March purchases will be free. They've never had to pay off on that bet yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day_blizzard

Reply #371 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

I didn't experience the snow, I am too low.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=12242739

 

No joke, though. The snow level was around 3000ft.

Reply #372 from Sins Forums Top

Really. I don't think so. Just follow the link that Watts provides and the chart I listed is there.

 

If you thought I was serious, lets just pretend you didn't and were just carrying the joke on.

Reply #373 from JoeUser Forums Top

If you thought I was serious, lets just pretend you didn't and were just carrying the joke on.
I got no clue what you're talking about and I'm not particularly interested in coaxing your meaning out of you.

For someone whose conversation tends to decay towards that of Zyxpsilon you'd think you would at least *try* to make yorself understood.

Reply #374 from Sins Forums Top

Or not...

 

What the hell, I'll just pretend I was serious instead.  I'll wait for a non April fools version of your graph.

Reply #375 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 374
Or not...

 

What the hell, I'll just pretend I was serious instead.  I'll wait for a non April fools version of your graph.
I still don't "get it". There was nothing "April Fool" about it the first time.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

February 2010 compared to past years

The average ice extent for February 2010 was the fourth lowest February extent since the beginning of the modern satellite record. It was 220,000 square kilometers (85,000 square miles) higher than the record low for February, observed in 2005. The linear rate of decline for February is now 2.9% per decade.

Figure 3. Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2010 shows a decline of 2.9% per decade.
—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

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