(Solved) Where did all the Extreme condition planets go?

GalCivII: DA; Where did all the Extreme condition planets go? - Solved

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A month ago, I built a new computer with Windows7. So I installed the game fresh and was forced to update using Impulse, to the latest version just before Xmas. I started a new DA metaverse game, gigantic map, uncommon stars, and rare planets. But to my surprise, none were 'Extreme colonization' condition planets, such as Barren, Radioactive, Water, Heavy gravity, or Toxic. And there are dozens of planets present! Did one of the new updates preclude the random generation of 'Extreme colonization' condition planets? I miss them. The tech research for them is there in the tree. My DA version is 2.01.

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Reply #1 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

No, but there is now a slider to let you control how frequent they are. Perhaps it got adjusted during the reinstall. Start a new game and check to see it hasn't been set to "none". The slider is IIRC near the bottom on the left side of the first page of set up.

Reply #2 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

No, no slider there. Don't believe me? Here is a screenshot:

http://mainelycontrols.com/pics/GalCiv2_1st_game_slct_scrn_NO_slider_100109.jpg

My game version: DA 2.01. Implulse tells me no more updates.

 

Now there is one consideration: I had difficulty installing this. After the clean install, Impluse told me it would take several hundred MB to update the game. I have Hughesnet Satellite Internet, and they limit me to 200 MB/day download - except 2-7 a.m. So updating this entirely from the Internet was not an option for me. I copied all the files from an old install (after the initial installation in Win7), and updated using Impulse from there. Could that have screwed up those Extreme condition planets for me? Seems unlikely. Anyway, I need help. If that was the fault, then I need a CD/DVD with the updates on it, in order to update the game properly. As far as I know, said CD/DVD may not be available?

 

Elemental: Reforged
Reply #3 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Update: I reinstalled the game from scratch using ImpulseAnywhere, updated to DA 2.01. Again, no slider for extreme condition planets!

Reply #4 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Please help, is anyone home? Is this thing on (tap, tap)?

 

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Reply #5 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting WIllythemailboy, reply 1
No, but there is now a slider to let you control how frequent they are. Perhaps it got adjusted during the reinstall. Start a new game and check to see it hasn't been set to "none". The slider is IIRC near the bottom on the left side of the first page of set up.

I'm fairly positive this is a TA-only feature that did not get backported to DA...

At the very least, I can't find a specific reference to it existing in DA in any of the changelogs, nor does it appear in my own DA, which also claims to be fully up-to-date.

Confirmation of that either way would be fantastic.  Anyone?

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It is within the realm of possibility that the random number generator simply didn't generate any extreme planets with rare planets and uncommon stars.  Have you tried an all-abundant  to verify that they are in fact missing?

Although I'm missing the slider in my DA, the extreme planets show up fine...  But I didn't check an MV game, either...

Odd question: Do you have them turned down in TA?  Perhaps DA is reading the settings from TA?

Reply #6 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting Sole, reply 5

Confirmation of that either way would be fantastic.  Anyone?

Never seen it, MV or otherwise.  DA V2.01.

Reply #7 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting Sole, reply 5
Odd question: Do you have them turned down in TA?  Perhaps DA is reading the settings from TA?

I don't have TA.

Reply #8 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Have you tried test-genning several maps with your preferred settings to see if you were just experiencing a very unusual result from the map-making code?

Wacky idea: Maybe there's an extreme habitat analog to the 10k & 20k treasury penalties--if you only have X or fewer habitable worlds on a map, none of them will be extreme habitats?

Reply #9 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

No, I will test further when I get my new rig up and running again, without a mobo right now.

Reply #10 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

OK, yes it was just a fluke. I played a game with Huge map, uncommon stars, uncommon habitable planets, and uncommon number planets; and there were only two extreme condition planets. What's more, the game before it that I aborted had more uncommon planets.

However, one thing worth noting: I noticed that if you don't put any spies in the "race-wide" slots, you never advance the "espionage level," and therefore never have stats on the planets. This does not affect the stealing of techs. I had a dozen or more agents placed on planetary tiles for years, and never had any planetary intel. But when I put four in the race-wide slots, I immediately started up the "espionage levels."