Where is that “Transparency” Again?

They are like someone who learned to drive a three cylinder geo metro and are now sitting in a lamborgini. Too much power they can't keep it on the road.

Even C-Span (that arm of the VRWC) is calling for them to open up.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/05/c-span-challenges-congress-open-health-care-talks-tv-coverage/

Screw Obama's worthless promises, they just want to stop the dictatorship from getting worse!

Wasn't it Obama who said his administration would be transparent, not the Democrats in congress? I don't remember hearing the Dems explicitly say that they would be transparent. Likewise, how come the Republicans are not leading by example? 

~AJ

"We'll turn the most closed and corrupt Congress into the most open and honest Congress," Pelosi (D-Calif.) told The Associated Press in an interview.  LINK

Idiot: "The Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical congress in history." - Pelosi 11-07-06

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/05/2006_flashback_pelosi_says_dems_will_have_most_honest__ethical_congress.html

AJ

And this is why so many here can't help but verbally smack you around. You completely avoided the reality of the article, that Obama promised transparency (and according to Adventure-Dude so did Pelosi) in this Administration and so far we have yet to see any and quickly went after why the Republicans are not dong anything. They are in case you haven't noticed, they are standing their ground by not going with this lie of a bill that you yourself don't want passed either.

So maybe you need to drop the hypocrisy and point your fingers to the real problem here, the Democrats. That's not to say the Republicans are better or perfect. They too need to get their acts straight but at this point they don't have any power so I not worried about them right now.

Adventure-Dude, that was precious. I almost choked on my pizza as I read you quote from Pelosi. What do you have to say about that AJ, you need to pay more attention. Maybe add some FoxNews to your diet. Seems your other network are not feeding you nutritious information.

I had pizza for lunch too.

I don't recall the Republicans stating that they were going to be the most transparent and most ethical, maybe I missed it?

C-SPAN wants the public to view all the meetings.  Here is the response from Pelosi.

"There has never been a more open process for any legislation in anyone who’s served here’s experience," she said."

 

 

Stop trying to turn this around.  This isn't about the republicans, this is about Obama and his democrats doing backroom deals on a huge bill that will burden every taxpayer. 

Once again, Obama has been shown to be a complete liar, and thankfully the American people are realizing what a mistake they made.

Thank you AD. Now I know about it, given that I hadn't read or heard about it. 

wtf? 

Dude, Charles...all I did was do two things.... 1) Asked about it, because I wasn't sure (You know, I asked instead of assuming I knew...) 2) I suggested that instead of complaining more so about what the Dems do, to start worrying about what the GOP does. Actions speak louder than words - lead by example - these are all things that you and others here have suggested. That's great, but...it shouldn't be just the Dems you should be concerned with...what about your party?

You're not worried about them? Why not be worried about them, since we have to deal with both of the knucklehead party's. Frankly, your tactics (The Dems should do this, the dems should do that, the dems...) indicates to me that you're all about pointing the fingers. Fine, yes, hold dems accountable - but until you start holding the gop accountable, you really have no ground to stand on. It's akin to the pot calling the kettle black. If you're going to hold a politicians accountable, hold them ALL accountable - don't target one group or another, it smacks of party games. 

Oh great Doc: I asked an honest question because I couldn't remember. Would you rather I went ahead and assumed, since you already assume that I know everything (which isn't the case)? Good grief. 

Point isn't about what people said, but the matter of the cyclical (problematic) system we're in. Someone does something wrong, it turns into partisan clap trap (i.e. You get any or all party pundits on air talking about how the other party is horrible, evil, etc.). The party's followers then step in line and parrot (whether it is the party of the unethical politician, or his opponents). 

Why? Why do we do this? I want to hear someone step in and say, quite simply, "Enough is enough. Neither of you guys are ethical - you're all a bunch of assholes. Start holding yourself accountable; no more lies, no more crap, nothing. If you do something wrong, admit it and fix it - if need be, step the fuck down. Enough is enough." 

That's it. I don't care what party, what politician. I would throw the lot of them out if I could - even my own state reps and senators. 

Now if you could, please take my entire comment in context people. (Not specified toward a single person) I know you all have a predisposition towards me due to the immature crap I pulled 4+ years ago, and that I'm some big bad evil liberal (\s), but I would hope that you could at-the-least, truly take a look at my words and what I mean. (If I'm not getting something across, or there are any questions, ask me please.)

Oddly enough - though don't mention this to Nitro, he'll naturally have a seizure (\s) - I do read and listen to FoxNews. Just because I don't care for it, and that I am often overly critical of its...presentation style, doesn't mean I won't gather my news from all biases. In fact, funny as it is to me, my gf often gets all up in arms about it.  

Peace, ~Alderic

Why? This is an issue that isn't exclusive to one party.

s/ Really, lets get all high and mighty on the Obama and Dems; lets talk about how transparent and ethical they should be. Like we Jesus product Republicans! \s 

Again, point being (as I stated above): See my second to last point on my previous reply. 

~AJ

Agreed, he's been shown to be a typical politician. Oooh, surprise there! What, did you suspect, the second coming?  Oh, wait, guess not since them honest and ethical politicians are everywhere. 

~AJ

The republicans don't have majority control, and they are not the ones ramming this BS bill through with back door deals and closed door meetings.

Yes, lets get high and mighty.  Remember Obama the messiah who actually convinced people he was "transparent" and "different"? 

This is about one party right now.  I really don't care at this moment what the republicans are doing, they aren't in charge!

I expected him to be a complete failure, and so far I have been right.

You must not have read or seen anything about Obama if you even have to make a comment like that.  Wasn't the Obama slogan.......CHANGE, HOPE, YES WE CAN!

So what? Accountability and ethics have nothing to do with whether you are the majority or not. I don't have to wait until the short, broad shouldered, husky built people are the majority to stop and ask myself - Am I accountable for my actions and inactions? Am I being ethical?

The republicans are just as accountable for their inaction. We all expect our party's to lead and govern, but neither are. The republicans are not stepping up and showing the Dems how to govern - they're all about two letters: N - O. Time and again - the republicans and democrats have said "Oh they're not being ethical or accountable," but turn a blind eye when their party does the same. I would have much more respect for them if they did. Hell, I might even be wiling to support their efforts. But they're not doing that...they...like the dems...are merely resorting to finger pointing and pinning the fault on someone else. 

Why should you or I be any different? Why shrug it off and resort to a child-esque, "Well it isn't about us, it's them!" (God, I'm again reminded of the political cartoon that said: "It isn't OUR morals we're concerned about, it's theirs!" How sadly true) 

~AJ

This is the most tyrannical majority Government I've seen in my lifetime. Backroom deals and closed door sessions are unamerican.

So did I.  I did not expect him to be a liar and a criminal.  So he is below my expectations.

I'm not bothered by whatever you watch. You have to be able to comprehend the information or it's just noise.

Pretty much sums it up.  For a lot of people, including many Democrats.  A good friend, a lifelong Democrat - who gave me endless 'chimp' grief nearly every week on the golf course for the full 8 years of GWB's 'illegitimate, stolen' administration, who couldn't begin to understand how I could possibly support anything GW did or that Republicans stood for, who was nearly apoplectic when Kerry lost, who was maddeningly annoying in his zealotry for BO, who was even more annoyingly self-righteous after BO won - just last week publicly disavowed the Democratic party in disgust and registered as an Independent.  It took only eleven months.  And I never worked on him or said one critical word about BO to him after the election.

After thought - just shows how people with starkly different political viewpoints can still be good friends.

And how tolerant conservatives can be of liberals.

You did pose a question, but you followed it with a statement that screamed "you liar". You were not acting on ignorance, you were acting on the belief that the Democrats had not said it but you got busted by AD and now you're acting like "I didn't know" when all you had to do was do some research or at least pay more attention to the news. You're comment did not come off as ignorant, it came off as confindent you were right and the article writer was wrong but you failed to take into account that some here always back up their comments.

The thing is AJ, the Republicans are not the ones with the power right now. They could be everything a Republican or Conservative voter can dream of in a politician, but it's those who voted for the Democrats and would like vote for them again the ones that need to have their eyes opened. It's the Democrats in Congress and the Senate the ones who are BSing us and need to be called out on.

Again AJ your problem is you ignored the major problem and instead focused on the small details. The Republicans will be doing everything they can to get elected, maybe even do what they promise, the voters will take care of business with the Republicans when the time is right, during elections. Right now, they are useless as it's the Democrats the ones selfishly working on this bill (that i restate you don't like) behind closed doors.

It would be nice to see you to take something like this comment posted by ID from Pelosi, "There has never been a more open process for any legislation in anyone who’s served here’s experience," she said.", and complain about how this is such a BS comment and that she is an embarressment to the party. But no, instead you focus, again, on the small fries.

Well, ultimately it comes to perspective right? 

I didn't mean to portray that I was right, or imply my saying "you liar." I'm just tired of hearing y'all bitch and moan about what the Dems are doing wrong, when you got your own shit to clean up. It really just amounts to nothing more than finger pointing if people are completely focused on one side. 

Like I have said - it shouldn't matter ultimately who is in power. If they're being unethical, full of shit, and so on - Hit 'em where it hurts. 

Bullshit, the republicans have BS'd and lied to people as well. I mean really - the death panel crap - to name just one. Blatant lying, and misinformation. 

(Also - Charles, I've openly criticized both Obama and the Dems on several issues.)

Again, I guess it all comes down to perception. You've shown me that you're more inclined to go after the Dems and not so much the GOP, as well as do various other things at various different angles. Yay for being a political gymnast. (\s(

They still represent a group of people. Like it or not, I don't believe that holding people accountable should come down to whomever is in power. It gives them too easy a loop hole to get through. 100% accountable, 100% of the time. 

That's because to me the issue I've focused on encompasses the details. 

~AJ

You just don't get it.  They can't lead because they are not in power.  The democrats are shutting them out of meetings they should be in.  The media doesn't even cover it!  You are just making excuses for the democrats now.

Actually that has proven to be correct.  You should read more about the current bill.

Then why are you avoiding the issue and making excuses?

Here's more from Pelosi:

"Pelosi also hinted that holding informal negotiations--likely without TV cameras--might be the most practical way to push the legislation through.

"We will do what is necessary to pass the bill," Pelosi said.