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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 
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Reply #176 Top

I think Levi is a much better example of what's wrong with Reg than what's right with him, the first being his extreme mana issues. Reg falls on his face in Cataract, but when you both remove the cooldown flag (potentially an effective 15% mana cost reduction) and add in a 15 MP/S flag he improves dramatically. Then you give him solid health regen which is a disproportionately large percentage of his total health and finally throw in a perma meat shield since people tend to play that map 4v4.

Without the combination of all those things I think reg is a dull and generally ineffective character... relatively speaking, of course. The true disparity between the effectiveness of the tier 1 and tier 2 DGs isn't nearly as bad as it seems, we've just played the same meta over and over so many times that the moderate and small issues have been magnified.

 

On the other hand I think TB actually does quite well without all the artificial modifications, in the end he just needs a functioning fire form autoattack. Fire Aura alone is an outrageous team buff and I think we'll see him as a tier 1.5 type character after his AA is fixed while reg will still be second tier. That being said, frost TB does fairly well as-is and unlike reg I think his design concept is pretty valid, he's just a very tedious and technical character to play as and against (few people can resist the temptation to use Deep Freeze primarily as a damage spell isntead of a mitigation ability at the start of a fight).

Reply #177 Top

I respectfully disagree with you about reg and invite you to a 3v3 on cata with good teams, to prove you are wrong. I never had mana issues with reg and I use all his active 3 skills. Of course, I always carry a mana potion with me just in case. Middle-Late game I've been able to solo ub, oak, and even erebus and have them retreat. And no, they weren't noobs. Too many people say reg is weak, but they didn't actually tried it's best or simply had bad teammates as reg.

 

I also respectfully disagree about sedna - in 1v1, 2v2 and even 3v3 she cannot be killed or pushed out of the lane (if played right). It also gives allies insta 1.1-1.7k heals without even investing in level 1 heal ;) (hint hint wind2 + bishop)

Reply #178 Top

Quoting abuggeredhedgie, reply 164


Hell, you're on this list. Do YOU play all demigods at a decent/very good level? If not, are you requesting that you be removed from this list?

 

Without trying to bragg, just answering your question - Yes, I can play any demigod at a decent/high level. In fact, most of my late games are played as Random.

Reply #179 Top

Quoting HorseRadish, reply 169

Quoting Archon_Saar, reply 163

I like your list you also play regulus the way he should be played.  This is a team game and you play as a great teammate I would add you to my list for your overall team play

 

Thank you, that's very kind of you :)

 

And sorry for the triple post, but I wanted to reply to each one separate

Reply #181 Top

Because 1vs1 is a great measure of skill >.>

Anyway, this is a hard question. Should a good player be able to play all demigods atleast decent. And more importantly what is considered decent? I would say that playing random is higher level games is a good indication of skill but on the other hand I question the premise of forcing players to play every single demigod at a high level. Why is this needed? Like Hedge mentioned, many people hate the way Sedna and omiting them from this list because of their (not totally unfunded) hate towards Sedna's playstyle would be obnoxious.

Reply #182 Top

+1 that 1v1s are not a measure of skill.

I dont think you have to play EVERY demigod, but you should be able to play every role.  Be that tank, support or DD.  Some demigods can fulfill mutiple roles, so you need to adapt to what your teammates have. 

Reply #183 Top

"

I also respectfully disagree about sedna - in 1v1, 2v2 and even 3v3 she cannot be killed or pushed out of the lane (if played right)."

TB can 1v1 , 2v1 and even 3v1. Hell 5v1 TB cannot be killed or pushed out of a lane (if played right).

Man. That magical phrase. "If played right". Makes you sound like a registered badass AND pro AND makes you seem like you know exactly what you're talking about. All in three words.

 

Of course "playing right" means locking and then turning tail and not engaging when the 5-man kill-team comes for you. Man, and you guys thought it wasn't possible.

Reply #184 Top

Quoting abuggeredhedgie, reply 183
"

I also respectfully disagree about sedna - in 1v1, 2v2 and even 3v3 she cannot be killed or pushed out of the lane (if played right)."

TB can 1v1 , 2v1 and even 3v1. Hell 5v1 TB cannot be killed or pushed out of a lane (if played right).

Man. That magical phrase. "If played right". Makes you sound like a registered badass AND pro AND makes you seem like you know exactly what you're talking about. All in three words.

 

Of course "playing right" means locking and then turning tail and not engaging when the 5-man kill-team comes for you. Man, and you guys thought it wasn't possible.

I am a fan of sarcasm. :)

Reply #185 Top

I'll nominate Hellebus, his Sedna is insane.

Edit: Well he is inactive now but his Sedna was the best...

Reply #187 Top

Quoting DiceAreEvil, reply 186
I nominate ManySimpleThings for his Rook.

Yeah, good Rook (though he was fed a bit when I played against him, easy to be good when fed ;) though it's still an indication of skill). A smurf though (no idea who it is). So he could be on here twice?

Reply #188 Top

Who is the best rook player? I'd like to watch some replays.

Reply #189 Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 188
Who is the best rook player? I'd like to watch some replays.

I would say that Obs is.

Janook is also an excellent Rook

Reply #190 Top

I haven't seen Obs's rook in awhile.  I'd personally put my rook or trouser's up against it.  Not sure who would shake out. 

Reply #191 Top

So... I'm trying not to turn this into a big flame war, but I'm going to progress this list a little... or start another one. Try not to be offended if you aren't listed.  Maybe I forgot.

People who pacov has been impressed with.  This is pretty much my personal hall of fame.  If you get any of these guys on your team, you are at an advantage, imo.

  1. kalelsmx (he's a very solid player, even if I can't make sense of his builds sometimes)
  2. trousersnake69 (this guy deserves alot of credit.  He's even made a fairly strong high level QoT build.
  3. pacov
  4. obscenitor (rook:  easily the best rook I had seen when last I played with.  Not his bots beast, even if he loves it)
  5. abuggeredhedgie (put him with many different teammates and he still shines)
  6. cowbuttzex (i generally think of him in the same category as me.  Adaptable and trying different builds/characters)
  7. tshughes
  8. FutileEmotion

honorable mentions.  People I haven't played with enough to put them in my personal list:  playgroundlegend (from the few games I've played with, I found him to be a great player), morpheas768 (dito), DiceAreEvil (have we played more than once?  you left an impression at the very least), Posidenii (enough people that I respect have played with him and consider him an excellent player, but I've never had the pleasure).

edit:  added tshughes and futileemotion to my list.

Reply #192 Top

I think it's clear almost no one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about.

Yes that includes you pacov.

Reply #193 Top

Quoting esonreggin, reply 192
I think it's clear almost no one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about.

Yes that includes you pacov.

After saying something like that you normally follow it up by how you mean...

Reply #194 Top

Why isn't Py4eek up there? I haven't been able to beat him yet, as the stats clearly show.

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Reply #195 Top

I think it's clear almost no one in this thread has any clue what they're talking about.

Yes that includes you pacov.

hehe... maybe.  It is all a little silly, after all.

Reply #196 Top

I think we should cut some names out though. I'll begin.


Red for noob/not good enough

Green for good player

Grey if you haven't played the guy.

 

 

  • oo7_warhammer (ub + reg)
  • 2nana
  • Abuggeredhedgie (sedna)
  • Alberto
  • Alterschism -> He's my friend so I can't really say.
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Armyhomestar (erebus) inactive
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • Bad_Wong (erebus + oak)
  • Bier_Kanonier (oak)
  • bloodlust
  • BRiiGHTT (erb) inactive
  • Chaotic-Hawk (reg)
  • Cosmoe (qot) inactive
  • cowbuttzex (tb + oak)
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • Dark_Satana
  • destroyer989 (reg, but good w all)
  • DiceAreEvil (demon assassin)
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • ErksaConti (sedna)
  • eXborderline (oak + erb)
  • eXXcentric (nominated himself)
  • FutileEmotion
  • gaabriel
  • gkrit (oak)
  • gl_Mithrander (oak + erb)
  • Hemp_Guy
  • Heros-Temp- (amazing with everything)
  • hiroshima (rook)
  • iamKira (beast + fire tb)
  • irek1988 (reg)
  • Izuz (oak)
  • JaY_BuDi
  • JayKayz (erb)
  • Jona_ (beast)
  • JudeTepes
  • kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg)
  • Ke5trel
  • killer_oak(oak)
  • Kingslet (oak)
  • Kitty0007 (beast)
  • Lethstang (oak + ub) -> I only played one game with this guy so I'm not sure.
  • lifekatana awesome player, absolutely raped me and probably the best player in the entire game. :D  
  • Lordi17 (oak + erb)
  • magla
  • McGreg
  • Mcshane (sedna + tb + oak)
  • mixmagic
  • Mooks67 (reg + erb)
  • morpheas768 (erebus)
  • Murder_DN (erebus)
  • mybones92 (support oak + mist erb + rook)
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • NinjaAlk
  • NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
  • nzac
  • Obiwhan (oak + beast)
  • Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
  • Ogham (oak + sed)
  • Orcun_BL (reg + beast)
  • pacov (beast + reg)
  • Pants (beast)
  • Peterdumptruck (minion erebus/minion oak)
  • PhYCE
  • PlaygroundLegend (rook + reg) -acct banned? inactive
  • Posidenii (rook)
  • rawrrr (beast)
  • receiver
  • Sakke
  • Sevenix
  • Shade (erebus)
  • Shinobinomono (rook)
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • spooky_ same as alter.
  • Supafishy
  • Swoxks
  • ThatGuyYoulove (added by someone then voted himself in once :) , oak)
  • trousersnake (rook + beast)
  • Tukulis
  • tshughes (erebus)
  • Vesuvius
  • Viras (ice tb)
  • WindsweptStone(sedna)
  • wrastler118 (fire tb)
  •  

    Reply #197 Top

    Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 194
    Why isn't Py4eek up there? I haven't been able to beat him yet, as the stats clearly show.

    +1 for that one lol :D

     

    Reply #198 Top

    Pacov, it's too bad I can't watch any of those players because of the backwards compatibility (or lack thereof) of the replay system. I found about ten replays from version 1.2, however you were the only rook. I watched that game, and it was great. Your push on the right towers was awesome. (You died, but you took naur and two towers with you)

     

    Reply #199 Top

    I wish I could play the people on this list. I've played some but most will leave the game too worried about their %.

     

    More people need to use gamereplays.org . Only been playing the game for 2 weeks and that's where I learned how to play but not enough people use it.

    Reply #200 Top

    # Mcshane (sedna + tb + oak)
    # mixmagic
    # Mooks67 (reg + erb)

    epic lolz. i'd have to agree.