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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 
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Reply #351 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 349

hmm... does anyone out there that knows me think I actually have issues with playing this game with my friends?  I'd play in my team exclusively if that was a viable option.  But as there are very few teams out there presently, the option, as I'm sure you are generally aware, is to wait a substantial amount of time with your team only to generally end up playing against weaker opponents.  At least that was my experience with 3v3 premade games.  Perhaps 2v2 games are less painful to get going? 

It's not like I have trouble following your point of view.  A good premade team mitigates the risk of having to carry a weaker player.  You know what you are getting in a premade.  Its clearly a safer, smarter choice.  But remember, it is demigod.... and sadly, the community frowns upon skilled players playing regularly on the same team UNLESS there is another group of skilled players playing on a the other team... and so on.

Hopefully we'll get a game going before too long.  I expect to be on some tonight.

If anyone feels like reading some more long winded fun, here's a thread I made quite some time ago about premades and the overlay... woo http://forums.demigodthegame.com/365479

 

Man, I wish most of the community could comprehend this. Another thing annoys me is, we clearly put 2 v 2 teams/premade in the titles of the matches, but the only guys who join are this pugs who can't read. Then they might try to balance the teams even though it is established that this is a team game. I don't mind when good players join without a team, because they accept they will take anyone but damn, the rest of them...

 

Hell, the only ones who are an actual team and will stay for long spans of time are 2nana/PrinceMardini/Heroes temp and I regard them to be one of the best teams/players. They aren't too great in prison but in cataract, they are map control heroes. The way they play reminds of Erska/Sakke but without that element of if you rush them, they should crumble feeling.

Reply #352 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 336

Tier II -

Saiitan - solid Rook, pulls Hail Mary boulders out of nowhere

Wipuliwo - solid Erebus, knows the game

Ragarth - this guy was good eight months ago and just recently got back into it. He is a bit rusty but his strategic grasp is sharp as ever

franmella - solid all round player

iceninelol - strong ice TB


anyone have any thoughts on Ke5trel's tier 2 recommendations?

franmella should definetly not be on there.

Reply #353 Top

I played with Ragarth the first game I ever played online in retail. We went up to the then top players Flurus and his mate, which we won.   It may have something to do with us choosing double erebus and 900 dmg bites though. :D  

Reply #354 Top

I'll ask if we can get a feature that lets people see a list of the players they've made notes on using the notes system.

 

Reply #355 Top

Quoting Istari, reply 354
I'll ask if we can get a feature that lets people see a list of the players they've made notes on using the notes system.

 

That'd be great.  Thanks Istari!

Reply #356 Top

Quoting ThatGuyYouLove, reply 351


 
Man, I wish most of the community could comprehend this. Another thing annoys me is, we clearly put 2 v 2 teams/premade in the titles of the matches, but the only guys who join are this pugs who can't read. Then they might try to balance the teams even though it is established that this is a team game. I don't mind when good players join without a team, because they accept they will take anyone but damn, the rest of them...

 

Hell, the only ones who are an actual team and will stay for long spans of time are 2nana/PrinceMardini/Heroes temp and I regard them to be one of the best teams/players. They aren't too great in prison but in cataract, they are map control heroes. The way they play reminds of Erska/Sakke but without that element of if you rush them, they should crumble feeling.

 

Comprehend what? That you like playing with your teammates and it is hard to get a game with them? I think we all get that, however just don't care.  I play premades every once in a while if they are willing to boot the newer players to make it some what fair (however most don't and just tell me to get out) because there are plenty of good public players out there that can make it competitive.

But how often do you join premade games without your premade when there are other game choices in the lobby? I doubt ever.

 

Reply #357 Top

What I don't get is that premades(where I'm obviously one of) are constantly whining about their games not filling up. They have some sort of feeling that someone should play them. The reason why we don't get in many games is of course that noone likes getting bashed. Again I play both premade and Pub(extensively) and I am not at all concerned if balance is needed. Unbalanced games are really really not fun, not for the losing or the winning party.

Reply #358 Top

Quoting Karebears, reply 356




Comprehend what? That you like playing with your teammates and it is hard to get a game with them? I think we all get that, however just don't care.  I play premades every once in a while if they are willing to boot the newer players to make it some what fair (however most don't and just tell me to get out) because there are plenty of good public players out there that can make it competitive.

But how often do you join premade games without your premade when there are other game choices in the lobby? I doubt ever.

 

Hey I do pay against other premades alone, but I'll only stick around if my 2nd is competant/friend. I just want high level matches without a pug.

Also Pacov if you want to do 2 v 2 against us, come on now? It'll be fun. I know you are there somewhere...*Looks left and right*

Reply #359 Top

Also Pacov if you want to do 2 v 2 against us, come on now? It'll be fun. I know you are there somewhere...*Looks left and right*

probably the most entertaining would be me n kalel or me n trouser.  I will be on later.  It might be best to try to set a time and password the game.  I'm guessing we will keep missing each other for a bit until we do that.  Oh.. and I hit the forums up throughout the day when I'm working.  No ability to play dg when that's going on.

Reply #360 Top

If you use a vent try to make it the Lagwar vent. Whenever I play I'm in there, same for Obscenitor. I see Maccilia in there from time to time and Pacov as well. If both me and Obs are on we will always play 2v2 against any premade that wants to. It's just hard to get a game going, as everyone already concluded.

Reply #361 Top

Quoting Kingslet, reply 360
If you use a vent try to make it the Lagwar vent. Whenever I play I'm in there, same for Obscenitor. I see Maccilia in there from time to time and Pacov as well. If both me and Obs are on we will always play 2v2 against any premade that wants to. It's just hard to get a game going, as everyone already concluded.

Here's lagwars vent info, in case you don't have it, thatguyyoulove. 

Lagwars Server

Host: Oxygen.typefrag.com

Port: 50216

Whenever I pop over there, I typically see Obsc and kings.

Reply #362 Top

Alright, I got nothing better to do anyway.
Green for 1st tier, Orange for 2nd and black for N/A

  • 2nana
  • Abuggeredhedgie (sedna)
  • Alberto
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • bloodlust
  • cowbuttzex (tb + oak)
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • destroyer989 (reg, but good w all)
  • DiceAreEvil (demon assassin)
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • ErksaConti (sedna)
  • Esuzu
  • eXborderline (oak + erb)
  • eXXcentric (nominated himself)
  • Frogboy (erb)
  • FutileEmotion
  • gaabriel
  • gkrit (oak) imo his UB is better than his oak
  • gl_Mithrander (oak + erb)
  • Hemp_Boy/rnz0 :grin:
  • irek1988 (reg)
  • Izuz (oak)
  • Janook
  • JayKayz (erb)
  • Jona_ (beast)
  • JudeTepes
  • kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg)
  • Ke5trel
  • killer_oak(oak)
  • Kingslet (oak)
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • Lordi17 (oak + erb)
  • Maccilia
  • Mcshane87 (sedna + tb + oak)
  • morpheas768 (erebus)
  • Murder_DN (UB) 
  • mybones92 (support oak + mist erb + rook)
  • Naur (oak + da + reg) (this guy is nasty with anything and any team)
  • NinkiCZ (rook + everybody)
  • nzac
  • Obiwhan (oak + beast)
  • Obscenitor/horsestrangler (rook + beast)
  • Ogham (oak + sed)
  • Orcun_BL (reg + beast)
  • pacov (beast + reg)
  • Pantz (beast) (ooze monster)
  • Peterdumptruck (minion erebus/minion oak)
  • PhYCE
  • Posidenii (rook)
  • rawrrr (beast)
  • receiver
  • Sakke
  • Sevenix
  • Shade (erebus)
  • Shinobinomono (rook)
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • spooky_
  • Swoxks
  • Teseer
  • ThatGuyYoulove (oak) (inb4 teammate)
  • trousersnake (rook + beast)
  • Tukulis
  • tshughes (erebus)
  • Vesuvius

    Also not on list but still green players:
    -Heros-temp, Princeminardi, Jay_Budi
    Not on list but 2nd tier:
    Zenjiro, Zen_God, StanVee, zelolol
Reply #364 Top

I'm weeding through some of these posts and making some updates to the list.  Let me know if you spot anyone that's been inactive for over a month and I'll remove them. 

Reply #365 Top

oh... and I think I'm going to stick with the 3 tier system.  I can see why it would be good to add another layer as per Ke5trel, but that increases the micromanagement of this thread all the more, increases debates/flaming, etc.  Might expand it to 3 a little later... for now I'm trying to sift through tier 2 and get some initial people into tier 1. 

Reply #366 Top

here's that replay of Ragarth and Kingslet and me

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106491

Reply #367 Top

What a strange thread.  I do not know if this is such a great idea, seperating into tiers  Will make some people angry...

For the record, my three best are Rook, UB, and Oak.  (Definietly the best Oak ever seen in the history of DG ever.)
But like most good players, I am competent with all DGs.

Hedgie, I remember my first game with the Pacov vent group, trying to play my Oak.  I was such a little nublet!

 

I'd like to nominate Orcun to be put in the top tier category, even though he is inactive.  He's the best demigod player we've seen to date.  There is no other player that matches his in skill in any demigod.  I think we should honor him!

Lastly, who would be interesting in participating in a closed tournmanent, made up of random teams from people on this list?

 

 

Reply #368 Top

Taking rnz0's list and discussing tier 1 listings:

  • 2nana - I can't say good or bad - never played with.  replay?
  • Amazing_Hero  (oak) - lifekatana already indicated concerns with his builds.  I don't think I've personally played much with him
  • Archon_SAAR  (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer) - I generally respect atma's playstyle, but some time ago he asked me to help him in a 3v3.  I joined.  He got out manuevered and either quit the game or d/c'd.  We tried it again and the behavior continued 3 more times.  This was back when I cared way more about stats and I took 3 loses and gave him the benefit of the doubt for having connection issues.  I haven't played with him all that recently, but I don't know that he's highly talented with many dgs other than tb, so I don't think tier 1 is appropriate for him. 
  • destroyer989 (reg, but good w all) - I want to say he's a good player and I even think I played with him semi-recently, but nothing's coming to mind.  Good enough for tier 2 based on my memory.
  • Epiphenomenon (beast) - dito based on memory - tier 2.  Need to see some replays or have more people endorse him.
  • gl_Mithrander (oak + erb) - I recently tried to play with him... 2 games... both desynced inside of 2-3 minutes.  I really doubt it was intentional, but 2 desyncs that quickly, at least to me, indicate either shite connection issues or someone playing around with dgdata.  So, I can't really speak to his skill level other than to say I'm hesitant to play with him based on connectivity concerns. 
  • Hemp_Boy/rnz0  :grin: - We played yesterday.  He had a solid erebus and played very well with his teammate in a 2v2.  Excellent 2 man premade with thatguyyoulove, but this is a list based on individual skill.  I think he should be considered for tier 1, but I haven't spent enough time playing with him to say anything other than his erebus is solid and that there are pretty good odds he'd do very well in a pug game. 
  • Janook - It's been awhile since I've played with Janook.  I can easily recommend him for tier 2, but nothing recent enough to say he fits in tier 1.  Some replays perhaps?
  • Jona_ (beast) - Can't remember when/if I've seen jona, so I can't really say tier 1 or tier 2 on him.
  • kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg) - solid player, but his builds are questionable from time to time. 
  • Ke5trel - reg.  I still don't know about ke5trel for tier 1.  I respect his build and thought process regarding that, but I don't think his skill level is sufficient for tier 1.
  • Lordi17 (oak + erb) - I think I've played with him recently, but nothing comes to mind.  replay?
  • Mcshane87 (sedna + tb + oak) - mcshane is solid.  He's a reasonable candidate for tier 1 imo.
  • morpheas768 (erebus) - is morph still playing that much?  solid erb.
  • Naur (oak + da + reg) (this guy is nasty with anything and any team) - naur's been pretty solid in the majority of the games I've played against.  I'd welcome his as a teammate.  Not entirely sure I'd go tier 1, but damn close
  • NinkiCZ (rook + everybody) - the replay i saw was solid.  Good erb. 
  • Obscenitor /horsestrangler (rook + beast) - i still
  • Orcun_BL  (reg + beast) - enough people think he belongs in tier 1 for me to agree.
  • pacov  (beast + reg) - no comment on myself
  • Pantz (beast) (ooze monster) - haven't played that much with.  replay?
  • Posidenii  (rook) - he's not playing as much, but still is kinda active?  another player I've never encountered much.  tier 2 based on what I've heard.  replay?
  • rawrrr (beast) - I rarely got to play against rawrrr... mostly with him on my pre.  Solid player.
  • Sakke - I tend to disagree on this.  Erska and Sakke were a great team, but not as good without each other, imo.  And I don't think they are active now. 
  • Shinobinomono (rook) - drawing a blank... replay?
  • ThatGuyYoulove (oak) (inb4 teammate) - see comments for rnz0.  solid player.  solid oak.
  • trousersnake (rook + beast) - he has a reasonably adaptive playstyle and excellent rook. 
Reply #369 Top

I do not know if this is such a great idea, seperating into tiers Will make some people angry...

i know what you mean.  I'm trying to keep things from getting nasty.

Reply #370 Top

here's that replay of Ragarth and Kingslet and me http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106491

Thanks, Ke5.  I'll check this out later!

Reply #371 Top

I'm sorry but what is the most impressive Orcun replay?  Is it the one where he spams snipe on renewal reg and inevitably loses?

I fear nasty rooks like Obs, Ninki and Posidenii moreso than Orcun tbh.  I haven't played vs him that much but I haven't seen anything that impressive and with all the games he's played there should be an uber nasty replay of him out there somewhere, yeah?

Reply #372 Top

"Hedgie, I remember my first game with the Pacov vent group, trying to play my Oak.  I was such a little nublet!"


I meant like... when we first met eachother, several months ago. You were like "irek, remember me from gameranger!" and then we hung out. I was screwing around with Queen at the time and we did a 2v2 against the DN clan where I was Queen and you were Oak on Prison against a UB/Sed combo. You were certainly still getting the feel for things, esp since your playstyle seemed derived from the Heart of Life days ;) I was talking about those. I don't really remember your first game on Pacov's vent I may have been inactive.

Reply #373 Top


2nana - Never played with this person


Amazing_Hero  (oak) - No for tier 1 (this is being VERY picky.)
 
Archon_SAAR  Have only played one game with can't comment.


Atma44x (torch bearer) - Have not played with enough recently to comment.


destroyer989 (reg, but good w all) - Have not played recently enough to comment.


Epiphenomenon (beast) - Tier 2 but could definetly change my mind in a few games.


gl_Mithrander (oak + erb) - Haven't played with enough.

Hemp_Boy/rnz0  - Last time I played he either intentionally desynced game or it was an accident, either way my team of NinkiCZ and some one else destroyed his team. Otherwise can't comment on him.


Janook - Been to long to make an assessment.

Jona_ (beast) - Tier 2

kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg) - Have played very few games with Kalel because he prefers to play premade games, no comment.

Ke5trel - tier 2

Lordi17 (oak + erb) - Lordi + eX is a mean premade, haven't played with him much recently so no comment.

Mcshane87 (sedna + tb + oak) - Haven't played with enough recently but I would say tier 1

morpheas768 (erebus) - Played a few games with Morph in the past week would say tier 2


Naur (oak + da + reg) Last few games I played versus Naur I destroyed him, tier 2


NinkiCZ (rook + everybody) - Tier 1 excellant player


Obscenitor /horsestrangler (rook + beast) - Been to long since I had a game with obs, no comment

Orcun_BL  (reg + beast) - tier 1, always impresses me.


pacov  (beast + reg) - been way to long since I have played with Pacov. no comment


Pantz (beast) (ooze monster) - an Ooze beast comparable to mine tier 2 atleast maybe higher.

Posidenii  (rook) - Haven't seen him in ages, should not be considered for list at all

rawrrr (beast) - Been ages since I have played with Rawrr, no comment.


Sakke - Never played with Sakke, no comment.

Shinobinomono (rook) - Been to long, no comment.


ThatGuyYoulove (oak) (inb4 teammate) - No comment, been to long.

trousersnake (rook + beast) - Trouser has always impressed me tier 1

 

Reply #374 Top

Cowbutt you keep forgetting me.

I'm boxxy_Koush, we've played like 3 or 4 times together. I should mention they all ended in my win but that's not the point :D

Reply #375 Top

hehe... u kids and your name changes... didn't even occur to me that you were koush.  :)