[MOD] QUEEN OF THORNS

YOu should have just ripped, The nutrient extraction from morph's qot.

Note: nope not every demi is competative.

This seems like a good balance though so +1

I wasn't aying it wasn't, but nutrient extraction is something I do believe QoT needs.

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Even if you get it to just try and role play being a plant.

i dont think that 30% over 25% justifies for a level 15 skill. either more slowing, more damage (like 800) or another debuff.

yeh i may look at that skill again and fix its last level. Thx for pointing that out.

how about nerfing shield lvl 1 and 2 and buffing higher lvls a bit. its actually very strong early game but too weak later.

shield is like towers. not taking it at level1 is dumb. even with these fixes its just a bit too good. but there should always be multiple ways playing a char and thats still not the case with queen. also playing a full blown shield queen should be worth it but shield doesnt stack well. so even if it doesnt get nerfed early game it should be buffed at higher levels.

I've changed Uproot to a tower only stun with the last lvl being an AoE stun. It's very benefitial for her and other DGs when it comes to attacking a tower and for chasing a DG.

Plus it gives her the most unique stun in a game. Can only stun DGs who are next to towers

Playing multiple ways doesn't mean every single skill you choose have to be different  than playing another way. If so than characters like erebus needs to have skills like bite changed or sedna's healing abilities since they are incorperated in just about every single one of their builds. All nerfing shield at an early level would do is just make it a waste of skill points at the begining of the game.

shield still needs a slight nerf early game and a buff later

1. she has been buffed generally so why not slightly nerf her strongest skill and 2. if you have ever played against a halfway decent queen you would know that shield during the first 3 levels is just too good.

1. Shamblers and entourage, yea a buff nerf is something she needs

2. You are joking right? This has got to be a joke seriously.

3. The shield is fine as is beginning of the game; just because yyou don't know how to deal with it does not mean she needs a buff. No level of the shield can survive a pile up before cool down is up.

Please just stop tweaking queen. She doesn't need your fiddling. 

Armor debuff is the only reason she rocks and now your nerfing that...

Been testing all the dg's out with this mod:

Settings: high gold, warscore, exp, spawn rate. Map prison and cat, 3v3 Nightmare ai with pepe's 1.18 mod.

Conclusion - QOT: Qot is now a very viable choice of demigod:

Build used during testing:

1. shield

2. thorns

3.save

4.sheild thorns

5. spike wave

6. save

7. thorns shield

8 and 9. save

10. shield thorns and spikewave

Items in order of purchase: monks, scaled and boots of speed, vlemish, banded and plenator, nimoths chest and magnus rod. Favor = staff of the warmage.

Review: Thorns is no longer the demolition skill it used to be, while still helpful for the deconstruction of buildings , the reduction of the armor debuff has made this skill less viable for this use (and potentially increasing the utility of uproot). However, the addition of the attack speed buff following use of this skill has made qot much more viable endgame and allows for the construction of an AA qot build which was not possible before. Amour buff along with new shield buffs during packed form allows for qot to go toe to toe with some of the more powerful demigods for much longer than before, in particular, tower rook and ooze ub. Sedna still is able to outlast qot substantally in a 1v1 fight. The removal of the armor debuff from thorns makes qot more suseptible to enemy minion builds than before. My lack of skill with minion qot limits my ability to discuss minion changes.

Uproot changes: I trialled these, however, as you need to invest in both compost and uproot to make this a viable skill (and i dont play minion build) means that this skill is fairly pointless still. It still costs too much mana for what you can do with a single thorns and 2AA's. Further the lack of mana that QOT always seems to have means that tower destruction with uproot is very expensive and limits your ability to fight other demigods.

IMO changes for uproot should be along the lines of, 1. 200 mana - 300 damage

2. 250 mana 600 damage,

3. 300 mana 850 damage + Violent siege

4. 300 mana 850 damage + Violent siege + prevents tower regen for 15 seconds.

cooldown - 10 seconds

This would make uproot less costly than thorns leaving qot with alot more of her mana and allowing her to do other things while destroying towers. Further addition of violent seige earlier would prevent tower camping during flag fights and allow use of uproot as a finisher (ie hit tower as enemy retreats making them take 400-600 damage (4-6 seconds to run past tower).

Replace compost with vampiric aura and replace tribute with top lvl compost such that minion builds are not without this skill (i dont really know how many ppl take it but i think this is a good compromise and should allow top lvl minion builds to take on LE minion builds.

Note: the biggest problem i use to have with QOT is finishing enemy demigods. Changes made here allow her to keep up with enemy demigods (ie shield movement speed buff) to allow her to make a kill. This alone has made qot be alot more viable as more kills = more gold and therefore allows you to compete on an item lvl with other demigods such as LE, without having to permafarm a lane.

very nice feedback on QoT there exx!

as youve mentioned, she does need a little more work though and i saw this when i was using her also. im capped atm so ive slowed down my modding process a little i hope to get back to it soon though. Hopefully im getting close to a finished mod

DONT. You're just changing Qot to be the same as other demigods. She is fine now. Uproot is never gonna be viable and should be completly changed.  If you even want to buff her just give her a stats buff and maybe add a bit of dmg to spike wave.

uproot should heal towers. thats a very important thing imo.

yeh thats what i want to do derog. but getting the functions is the problem for me. as i said im no pro at coding, atm im only able to make alterations and add/remove certain things.

if someone out there is able to add a tower healing effect for this skill go for it, and then send me the code. Ill credit you if thats what you want.

I think you'll find that the healing effect is a little underwhelming. However, here is the code for it.

thx man, now that youve done it ill see what i can do to make it seem adequate (but it should be fine as it is anyway).

edit: btw, did you alter any other code outside of the HQueen_Abilities.lua file?

For the healing tower effect you'll only need the contents from HQueen_Abilities.lua. I included the others for some other changes I was making. You'll want Uproot_Damage, Uproot_Heal, Uproot 1 through 4. If you want to disable the AOE violent siege damage you'll need to remove 4 comment markers in Uproot_Damage & Uproot_Heal. It should be relatively straightforward, ask if you have questions.