TB isn't a good 1v1 DG, so don't play with him 1v1. He's more than welcome on any of my teams if the player behind him is good though.

But 1v1 highlights his problems perfectly, this "he is a support character" bullshit I keep seeing is exactly why demigod is so unbalanced and subtle underpowered characters tilt the balance of the game in other characters favors.  Seriously I want you to play TB on pantheon 1v1 constantly I want to see your replays and win % esp on prison vs ereb.

if he can't take on other top tier demigods 1v1 how the hell is he going to hold a lane by himself in a 3v3?  His weaknesses are hidden by oaks strengths, I agree he can be a great team-mate when played well but trying to find a good TB in pugs is a crapshoot and he does havea bit of damage output issues when up against ereb ub and sedna because of +hp items and sigil, sigil is an item I'd like to see removed from the game personally, getting an extra couple thousand HP for free is like a instant heal, it's little wonder it's so popular, why even bother with healing potions with their massive cast times?

The point is not that TB does not need help.  The point is that those particular buffs are batshit insane.

20 hp/s is a ridiculous early game buff.  Nay, not ridiculous, regoddamncockulous.  It would buff TB's early game into the stratosphere, while not addressing any of his actual flaws.

Also, I don't actually play 1v1's on prison, but, as mentioned, TB does very very well against the melee generals in the very early game, and TB can easily maintain a massive level advantage on prison from ROI creep rape.  Erebus of course becomes retardedly powerful around level 7, but it's not out of the question for a TB to maintain two levels on an Erebus through the whole game.

"The point is not that TB does not need help.  The point is that those particular buffs are batshit insane."

And that's not what my point was about you're pulling it off topic.  My comment about  TB is a bit underpowered generally compared to most demigods and he practically requires a good player at the helm to be any kind of effective in team games or else its like having a newb playing Queen your team.  And in 1v1 TB is basically instant lose against many demigods because TB cannot control flags (like money flag) which is just instant lose for you on prison.  I really hate it when people who don't play TB enough comment on TB like they know how to play him, when you never get the hardest match ups every game. In pantheon I've always gotten the nastiest and hardest matchups every fucking game, Oak and ereb, ereb on prison, oak and ereb vs TB and Rook on Zik fortress, etc, etc.   Proof:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1159745/player/92425/

So please I've played enough games to know TB is not competitive by himself vs other top tier demigods head on, since every game of panth I've played it's almost always ereb and oak or a combination thereof every game I play, I am well versed in playing top tier 1 demigods in my constant throng of bad luck getting crap team-mates or just always against tier1 demi's.

Yes, assassins have an unfair disadvantage this epoch, but buffing assassins without monk support to be competitive against generals with monk support is not going to improve the game.

Let me introduce you to my friend Teeser.

nerf the duration of sigils. lower potions cast time.

I do wonder what 15 second duration sigils and 2.0 second cast time potions would be like.

it possible to use this mod in LAN games ? it seems if I enable this mod (and my LAN friends do) they cant see my game in the LAN lobby

hmm .. that interesting having been able to test it.

is someone able to clarify this?

I love how you try to use stats to justify your argument, and don't bother looking up mine.  You know I've played many more games as TB than you have, right?

What you've done is lost plenty of games as TB, which means that you're playing him at a very low level.  Do you want games to be balanced from the perspective of very low level play?

@irahi

Stats are bullshit and you know it, all those games were pantheon games, I looked at your games in pantheon and you had a LOT of non-stacked games, look at my pantheon games and look at the top tier demigods I was up against, to say I have "low level play" because of my pantheon stats is bullshit and you know it, almost every pantheon game I'm getting oak+ereb or a combination thereof, also trying to play fortress prison with oak+ereb with the setup of one of my pantheon games and you will lose with the same setup against good players.

Stats to me don't mean jack squat when it comes to pantheon, telling me I play at "such low level" is garbage.  Some of those were newb games, before I learned the power of HP stacking and sigil, but that was my only flaw in my playstyle, nothing else.  Try 2v2 prison fortress, oak+ereb, you are TB and another assasin against good players.  Your games can't even compare to mine, you get a lot of more evenly balanced demigods.

I would submit that you don't really find good players in pantheon as a general rule.

Except if you look at the # of games of my opponents many of them had over 300 games, hardly newbs you can check yourself. 

So, I'm sorry, what are you trying to argue again?

I said "TB has a reasonably strong early game, 20 hp/s is too ridiculous an early game buff, and doesn't do much to counter TB's late game weaknesses"

You said "Screw you dirty hippie TB sucks!  I know because I play pantheon"

I'm not really seeing anything here.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=beethoven&word2=lady+gaga

I'm pretty sure that Irahi is one of the best damn TBs out there. I'll be flat out and he's really the only person that I'm actually /intimidated/ by when he joins the room as TB. I know plenty of good TB players out there and they can handle TB fantastically, but I consider it a challenge to beat, not a significant threat where I might be scraping by the entire game.

He's one of the relatively few people who power-levels faster than me on the mana side >>