If you have an issue with somebody, surely it it better to say what's needed via PM... rather than making it public.

Again, it is highly unlikely that you were the focus, but that the quote was generalised and used to demonstrate that Christians believe the Bible IS God's Word and is proof that He/She exists, and to say otherwise is (to some Christians) ignorant.

Please, let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

Sorry, disagree 100% starkers... as I've already explained.

and when I start being insulted via PM, I'll return the favor.

I've said what I'm going to regarding the issues, unless someone want's to keep telling me how being called ignorant isnt an insult.

 

no mountains here.

 

insulted via pm? by whom? I certaintly havent pm'd you of late.

again.. you mis-represented what I typed,  I never said you PM'd me.

Thats twice in 30 mins,

Try reading more carefully.

Ok, John, you've obviously read more into it than was intended and have yer knickers in a knot... can't help so I'm outta here also.

..i knew that, just wanted it from your mouth that it wasnt me. im outta here too.

Or you read less.

no ones knickers are in a twist, I just like my point to be clear.

 

 

calling people's personal beliefs/opinions 'ignorant',  particularly associated with religion....is well...pretty much guaranteeing an inflamed response.....now isn't it...

 

that was said tongue in cheek....surely...... 

if there was 'proof'....everyone would 'believe'.........as to whether they would then choose to follow, would be another question...

 

then the reply could have been more eloquently put, leaving out the inference....of ignorance....

 

I tend to agree.....it spells out a decent way to live life and respect each other.....whether you are a believer...or not....they are good guidelines for life....... it's just a pity that religions have so often distorted the message....for their own gain...

 

 

 

 

 

 

All religion proves, and the heated discussions which follow, is that we are still in the dark ages.

This thread should be locked and religious discussion permanently banned from this site, as it has been on other Stardock sites.

I quite agree.

Yet this is about 'free speech'....the most mis-interpreted phrase on the planet.....and banning religious threads is kinda er...'apt' considering the Op.

If people want to be children....I grew up with Corporal Punishment.....I think I know how to dish it out.

Let's all remain civil.

* doc reconsiders and realizes the way to go is....away from contention. 

I was being and always am until insulted (check several thousand other posts of mine)

It doesn't always come across that way, John.  You're pretty intimidating unless someone is saying sweet things about you. (and I must have imaginary balls the size of Texas just for posting this....or maybe I'm just a little bit manic right now).

 

true. but when the laws start to infringe on ones personal liberties and freedoms of expression.. they are no longer viable and should be challenged for the bindings of oppression they are, unfortunately it seems obama is headed toward a opressive style rule. ( one can only have the personal freedoms we allow).

 

 

Any religious topic is volatile.. tho really this topic is about personal freedom not so much a regligious debate, ones right to use or not use blasphemy, which should be between the blasphemer and his god, or lack there of. When we lose the right to believe or not believe as we wish, everyone loses.. Freedom is a fine line folks and once we hand it away, only a war will win it back.

 

Remember folks belittleing others for their beliefs is not conducive of a mature community, sure debate all you wish. But please remember there is another person on the other end you are talking to, and they are entitled to be treated with respect.

 

Where do I sign up?   I'm old enough for AARP, but there's still a lot of fight left in me.

 

Religion is such a touchy subject! In reality when we find out if we are happy with the choices we made in faith and life it will too late to change them.
I had a few things to say but it all boils down to something like this...if you want to know how to work your DVD player you read the manual...if you want to learn PhotoShop
you read online tutorials (or find a good teacher!)..if you need intsructions on life and experinces well I don't know but 1 GoodBook to look in.
No need to start a war where there doesn't need to be one!

Wow, a lot of off topic crapping ang whining. But back to the original post which seems to be forgotten, this is what happend because of people voting for Obama. How many voted him for no other reason then the color of his skin? Iv'e seen it before, in my home town. A man fired from his job for sexual harasment, but gets in as mayor because his ethnic group voted for him anyway just because.

People, for whatever reason, feel there must be something bigger than them.  There is no proof, either way, that god exists or doesn't.  And there never will be.  The bible is not proof that god exists.

Ame.....er....hey look GEESE!

 

I've read that one through cover to cover 4 times, taught study classes on for 14 years while I was married to my first husband who was a Baptist pastor, audited and took notes in the classes he took at seminary to achieve his PhD in theology, not to mention attended several conventions and seminars on it the entire 16 years of my first marriage.  I'm glad you find instruction and help from it, but I find the Tao Te Ching to be a lot more helpful and peaceful in my own personal life.

But back to the original post which seems to be forgotten, this is what happend because of people voting for Obama. How many voted him for no other reason then the color of his skin?

The color of his skin had nothing to do with the reason I voted for him.  I think more people voted for him because he appeared to be the polar opposite of his predacessor, than those who voted for him due to the color of his skin.  I personally voted for him because I work in the health care industry and I know how broken it is.  It hurts me to type hospital reports all day and see just how many people are going without their insulin, heart medication, or psychiatric meds  because they can't afford it; it grieves me to face the dictation and hear just how many people aren't getting their mainentance health care, finding out too late to do anything about it, that they have cancer.  I was led to believe, through campaign promises, that fixing the broken health care system was a top priority for this president, and that is the prime reason I voted for him. 

However, if I thought the Libertarian candidate would have had a shot, I would have voted in that direction.  Unfortunately, we're a 2 party country, and we have to work with it the way it is.

Why didnt you then? 

I have never understood this mindset. You voted for Obama because you thought he had a better chance? Why? So you could say you voted for the guy that won?

The only wasted vote is the one that is not cast.

I wonder how many people thought this way.... It is entirely possible that a libertarian could have a chance if the ones with this midset had voted for the person they thought was best for the job.

Having done that for every election after Reagan's first run, I decided to try something else.  What's that they say about the definition of madness being doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result?

The fact is, each individual vote DOESN'T count, because the election is determined by the electoral college, not to mention the amount of voter fraud we have going on in this country.  For a while I was ready to just give up and quit voting all together, thinking it a total futile effort, but when my daughter asked me if I would vote with her and I told her I was going to sit this one out, she got this horribly hurt expression on her face and asked me, "but what about all those ladies during the suffrage movement who put themselves out there for your right to vote?" and that's when I changed my mind about not voting.  I vote simply to honor the sacrifice made on my behalf in the past that gives me the right to cast my vote.

If I were American I would definitely have voted for Obama...

2 reasons.

That Palin creature was/is an embarrassment.

And the quite racist comment....'because he is black'.

I was alive [and aware enough] to remember the 'I have a dream' speech....and saw Obama's candidacy as simply too good an opportunity to overlook/ignore.

Whether he is better or worse than another President before or after....only time would tell anyway...so give him the chance.... and maybe put one more tiny nail in the coffin of racial prejudism.

People who argue it is about the better candidate, not what colour his skin is are really missing the point....this particular point....;)

 

While running the economy into the ground, tripling the deficit, putting our children in debt, moving the country massivley towards socialism, infinging on free speech rights and deciding which news outlets should have access to the govt.

 

I don't like the trade off. Racism will always exist.. everywhere. If someone can name me a country it doesn't I'll kiss my own a$$

 

Keep an eye on the upcoming Virginia Governor's race, It will be a strong indicator as to how long he and his cronies will be around.

 

Is that any less prejudicial ?

 

 

Jafo, I don't think that word exists \ is correct, perhaps you were going for prejudice.

 

 

Racism is not inherently American nor is it solely Caucasian.  There is racism in many forms and can be found in every country and even those that claim to be free of it are not.  The colo(u)r of one's skin should never be a reason to vote for someone.

I wouldn't doubt that many people voted against McCain/Palin because of their 'racial prejudice' towards them. Take one nail out and put another nail in.