The Difference between Anti-Semitism and the Palestinian Cause

I am often told that there is anti-Semitism. In fact I have seen it. Almost everyone tells me that anti-Semitism is a bad thing and must be fought. In fact that point is often brought up by the same people who tell me something else as well.

They tell me that the "Palestinian Cause" is a noble cause and not related to anti-Semitism in any way; that the leaders of the Palestinian Cause and the Palestinian people have to be supported and that their fight is necessary and noble. And anyway, Israel has no reason to fight them and is the cause for the war. "We are all Hamas."

So I took the liberty of selecting a few quotes by respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause, by people celebrated by Palestinians and other Arabs today. I am here showing these quotes mixed with a few quotes by Nazis so as to present the stark difference between the evil ideology of anti-Semitism and the noble Palestinian Cause.

Of course those same people have also said other things. But Hitler also spoke about art and managed to get a few words out without sounding like a racist. So I carefully selected only those quotes that were representative of what I think could easily be mistaken for anti-Semitism.

One might argue that Zionists also make anti-Arab statements that make Zionism appear racist. But the question is whether most Jews or Israelis (or any supporters of Zionism) really consider those Zionists representative of the Zionist movement or the Jewish nation. The Arabs among the quotes were and remain respected leaders of the Palestinian Cause and are among the people I am told are our "partners" in the peace talks.

If you find a racist quote by a Zionist, I'll tell you what I think of that Zionist and I guarantee you that such a person would not have the support of a majority of Israelis or Jews.

 

And here we go: the quotes. Can you even tell who is a Nazi and who is a supporter of the noble Palestinian cause or what that cause is? Remember that we are told that the "Palestinian cause" is not about killing Jews or the destruction of Israel. And remember that the Arabs quoted are considered heroes of the Palestinian cause by Hamas and the PLO. They ARE representative of the Palestinian cause. THEY are the people you demonstrate for when you condemn Israel for fighting them.

"We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood"

"The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel."

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel”

“The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.”

“As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”.

“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of anihilation.”

"We want a full scale, popular war of liberation… to destroy the Zionist enemy"

“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.”

“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map”

“Those [Israelis] who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.”

"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."

"To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory."

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


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Reply #1 Top

No respected Zionist leader has ever called for the extermination of all (or even a group of) Arabs.

Yet Zionism is an ideology that must be watched while the Palestinian cause is worthy of support.

 

Reply #2 Top

I am often told that there is anti-Semitism.
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What is  anti-Semitism in your mind?

War is Hell.

Ever since its creation by the United Nations, Isreal has been at war with its neighbors.

 

 

 

Reply #3 Top

What is  anti-Semitism in your mind?

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Your past attempts to lie about the Talmud come to mind.

 

War is Hell.

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I have seen two.

One was when Hizbullah fired at my university, presumably to protect innocent "Palestinians" from whatever we students were doing to them at the time.

The other was when I saw fighting in the Kurdish city of Kirkuk in which Arab nationalists have been fighting against the native Kurds for decades.

 

Ever since its creation by the United Nations, Isreal has been at war with its neighbors.

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As has every other non-Arab community in the former Ottoman Empire. Weird, isn't it?

 

Reply #4 Top

All those quotes you put up Leauki have biblical meaning to them.  It's been all foretold that this would happen when Israel went into their own land in the "latter days."  Here's something to give you hope:

"In that day will I make the governors of Judah like a hearth of fire among the wood and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people around about, on the right hand and on the left and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.  The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.  In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David and the house of David shall be as God as the angel of the lord before them.  And it shall come to pass in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 

Zechariah 12

There is nothing in history that describes this period as of yet.  This was written after the Babylonian captivity.  The Jews had never been in this position until now.  That's why this is still future and the reason why the Jews in their own homeland is HUGE. 

When Jesus came the first time, the people knew these old prophecies.  During one of the Passovers (John 6) when Jewish nationalism ran high because Passover is a celebration of the deliverance from Egypt, the Jews tried to make Jesus their King right then and there but he slipped away.  The time was not yet.  It's on God's timetable, not men's. 

Too bad Obama doesn't read the bible since he says he's a Christian!  He would/should have reservations against going against Israel if he knew better.   The biblical Christians understand this and this is why they are waiting with expectation right now all across the world. 

Reply #5 Top

Ever since its creation by the United Nations, Isreal has been at war with its neighbors.
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So what you are saying is eliminating Israel will solve everything?

The US has had multiple wars ever since it's creation (with others and within itself). Maybe we are also the real cause of the worlds ills.

Reply #6 Top

So what you are saying is eliminating Israel will solve everything?

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The Arabs have eliminated nearly all Massalith in Darfur. A bit of a final solution, if you get the idea.

Either way, killing the Jews never really stopped the wars. It was usually just the start. Anybody who kills Jews also kills non-Jews. People who call for the destruction of Israel usually forget that when Israel is under attack and nobody speaks up, they might themselves be under attack next, and at some point nobody will be left to speak up.

 

 

Reply #7 Top

Ever since its creation by the United Nations, Isreal has been at war with its neighbors.
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I wouldn't put it this way... I'd rephrase it and say

 "Israel's neighbors have been at war with Israel (declaring war on them) ever since they came back into their homeland." 

 

Reply #8 Top

All those quotes you put up Leauki have biblical meaning to them.  It's been all foretold that this would happen when Israel went into their own land in the "latter days."  Here's something to give you hope:

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Thank you KFC, it does indeed give hope!

I have no doubt that there is biblical meaning behind events.

Incidentally, there is also an Islamic meaning here.

One hadith ("news" about Muhammed written down after his death and not part of the Quran) says this:

 “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”

(Hamas quote it in their charter.)

Note that Muhammed didn't say that Muslims would be _right_ in fighting the Jews, just that they will! And note that he specifically said that those Muslims would listen to and follow the commands of rocks and trees, a pagan ritual if I have ever seen one.

 

Reply #9 Top

hmmmm interesting Leauki. 

I don't think we're far off do you? 

Reply #10 Top

"Israel's neighbors have been at war with Israel (declaring war on them) ever since they came back into their homeland." 

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I find it interesting how many people will actually BLAME Israel for the fact that several Arab states ATTACKED her. But the same people are not sure what "anti-Semitism" is. :-)

Don't forget that some Jews have always lived in Israel. The native population grew smaller and smaller under Greek, Roman, and Arab rule and finally grew again under Turkish and British rule.

And for those who like pointing out that Israel was "created" by the UN.... when the Ottoman Empire was destroyed the British and French and later the League of Nations and finally the UN "created" ALL the states in its former territory. But it's only in Israel's case that that is usually pointed out. I wonder why?

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hmmmm interesting Leauki. 

I don't think we're far off do you? 

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No, this is definitely the time.

 

Reply #12 Top

FYI, Leauki:

When I talk about the Palestinian cause - I talk about the humanitarian aspect of it. I do not view the government/leaders in palestine and the people of palestine as the same entity; I differentiate. To me, just because there are rotten eggs in a carton - doesn't mean they are all bad. Further, just as with our government and the fact that for us  about 98% of incumbents are re-elected, I see the same thing happening in palestine more so because of apathy and really having no other option. When people are crumbling, they'll often go with the wolf.

 

 

So what you are saying is eliminating Israel will solve everything?
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Buahahaha, oh yeah, go ahead and try that. >_> Any country that does would want to go talk to a few countries first. ^_^

 

 

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When I talk about the Palestinian cause - I talk about the humanitarian aspect of it.

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The Palestinian cause has no humanitarian aspect. It is solely about destroying Israel. If it weren't, there would be no cause.

 

I do not view the government/leaders in palestine and the people of palestine as the same entity; I differentiate. 

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The vast majority of "Palestinians" support either the PLO or Hamas. Third parties have very little support and those that do support third parties are not part of the "Palestinian cause".

So basically you are telling me that for you the "Palestinian cause" is not what the "Palestinians" think it is but something humanitarian that you simply named after the "Palestinian cause"? What exactly is your "Palestinian cause" meant to achieve and why is it a "Palestinian cause" and not an "Eskimo cause"?

 

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Buahahaha, oh yeah, go ahead and try that. Any country that does would want to go talk to a few countries first.

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That's what people thought when Hitler announced he would kill all the Jews.

The truth is that when it comes right down to it, nobody will help Israel. This was the lesson learned in 1942.

Instead what will happen is this:

1. Somebody will announce that Israel should be destroyed and/or all Jews killed (like PLO leaders have done already decades ago).

2. The world will get angry when the Jews defend themselves because they do so violently.

3. When Israel falls, the world will celebrate like so many have in Europe when the Nazis deported the Jews.

4. When six million Jews have died, the world will see what it has just done and promise never to let it happen again.

5. Repeat.

 

Reply #15 Top

So basically you are telling me that for you the "Palestinian cause" is not what the "Palestinians" think it is but something humanitarian that you simply named after the "Palestinian cause"? What exactly is your "Palestinian cause" meant to achieve and why is it a "Palestinian cause" and not an "Eskimo cause"?
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PC = food, water, essentials for the women, children and men who are merely trying to live. Not all of them are Jew hating terrorists like you so blindly imply. Seriously, grow a heart for them, eh?

That's what people thought when Hitler announced he would kill all the Jews.

The truth is that when it comes right down to it, nobody will help Israel. This was the lesson learned in 1942.

Instead what will happen is this:

1. Somebody will announce that Israel should be destroyed and/or all Jews killed (like PLO leaders have done already decades ago).

2. The world will get angry when the Jews defend themselves because they do so violently.

3. When Israel falls, the world will celebrate like so many have in Europe when the Nazis deported the Jews.

4. When six million Jews have died, the world will see what it has just done and promise never to let it happen again.

5. Repeat.
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As usual, you're clouded by your zeal. Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself. Just ask Egypt or any f the other countries that tried to defeat them. Six-day war, yom kippur war, etc.

 

~AJ

Reply #16 Top

PC = food, water, essentials for the women, children and men who are merely trying to live. Not all of them are Jew hating terrorists like you so blindly imply. Seriously, grow a heart for them, eh?
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AJ,

Exactly....Isreal, with all its military power and might,  not only won the 1967 war, they took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families! 

 

What of the really real plight of the Palestinian people? 

 

Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself.
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Yes,

 

Reply #17 Top

What of the really real plight of the Palestinian people?
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Like I said to Leauki, I do not believe - to any measure - that (all) Palestinians are cold blooded monsters. Yeah, there are the leaders who, in my opinion, merely do it for the power (I'm sure some truly dislike Israel,etc.). Yeah, just like in America, there are Palestinians who support people that hardly, if ever, make sense. Surprise, surprise - that's a common thing in the world.

Exactly....Isreal, with all its military power and might, not only won the 1967 war, they took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families!
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Mmm, I'm not going to get into an argument of who was first and the first who, etc. Honestly, the entire history of that area is wrapped up in too many things - it makes my head spin sometimes.

 

 

Reply #18 Top

As usual, you're clouded by your zeal. Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself. Just ask Egypt or any f the other countries that tried to defeat them. Six-day war, yom kippur war, etc.

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So we can continue the wars because Israel can defend herself. Brilliant.

And I am clouded by my zeal because I have a problem with ongoing wars for the sake of ongoing wars?

 

Exactly....Isreal, with all its military power and might,  not only won the 1967 war, they took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families! 

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Yes. And before Israel did that land was used for constant attacks on Israel.

If the Arabs had wanted to keep that land, they could have sued for peace at any time before 1967. In fact Israel offered to return the land after the war in exchange for peace and the Arabs refused.

The "plight" of the "Palestinians" is simply due to their refusal to end the attacks.

 

What of the really real plight of the Palestinian people?

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Without the "Palestinian cause" there wouldn't be a "plight". The "Palestinian people" (who don't exist, they are simply local Arabs) have a higher standard of living than Arabs in Egypt and Jordan. That's their "plight". And if they wouldn't keep attacking Israel, there would be no border fence, no checkpoints, no counterattacks, no blockade, nothing.

(Unless you want to argue that the Jews would simply do these things for fun or out of the evil of their heart.)

 

Like I said to Leauki, I do not believe - to any measure - that (all) Palestinians are cold blooded monsters. Yeah, there are the leaders who, in my opinion, merely do it for the power (I'm sure some truly dislike Israel,etc.). Yeah, just like in America, there are Palestinians who support people that hardly, if ever, make sense. Surprise, surprise - that's a common thing in the world.

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I do not believe that all "Palestinians" are cold blooded monsters either. But I do believe that the "Palestinian cause" is evil. NOT "Palestinians", but the "Palestinian cause".

I also reject the idea of a "Palestinian people" since there has never been such a people. They are merely Arabs who live in the territory that the Europeans called "Palestine". They are not more or less "Palestinian" than non-Arabs who live in the same territory. The Qur'an refers to the area only in relation with the people of Israel not as "Palestine" which was a name the pagans gave to the land to insult the Jews. ("Palestine" derives from the Hebrew for "invaderland".)

 

PC = food, water, essentials for the women, children and men who are merely trying to live. Not all of them are Jew hating terrorists like you so blindly imply. Seriously, grow a heart for them, eh?

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You are still unable to differentiate between the people and the cause.

There is no "Palestinian cause" that is about "food, water, essentials for the women" etc. They have NEVER fought for that. They never needed to.

The only thing the "Palestinian cause" has to do with these things is that as long as the cause makes people fight, they will have less of these things because they are losing a war.

I don't know what made you believe that the "Palestinian cause" is about food and water but I guess it cannot have been the statements made by actual leaders of the "Palestinian cause".

I guess you just decided that food and water are good and Israel is evil, hence food and water must be the "Palestinian cause".

I also think that you have warped ideas of what the living standards are like in the occupied territories and in Gaza. I think you'd be surprised if you actually saw it (and compared it to the slums of Cairo etc.).

 

 

Reply #19 Top

Alderic, be honest...

Do you _really_ believe that this:

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel”

is about food and water for people who (at that time) were residents of Egypt and Jordan?

 

Or look at that:

"Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."

(It's what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Yasser Arafat's uncle and mentor, proposed to Germany and Italy during World War II.)

Do you really think that that is about "essentials for women"?

Do you really believe that the "Palestinian cause", as outlined by its leaders has anything to do with food and water other than causing shortages of food and water by starting wars?

Do you really believe that there is a "Palestinian cause" that is somehow about food and water given that food and water given that "Palestinians" have more food and water than Egyptians and given the above?

Who represents the "Palestinian cause" you are thinking of? You? Does any "Palestinian" support that cause? (Does he call it the "Palestinian cause"? Do other "Palestinians" call it the "Palestinian cause"?)

Do you know what you get in the territories for trying to make a living rather than attack Jews? It's not called "Palestinian cause", it's called "collaboration with Israel" and there is a death penalty for it.

 

Reply #20 Top

Also, read this:

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3105616,00.html

It will give you an idea of what the conflict is about.

The author is an Arab married to a Jewish woman.

Can you perhaps point out exactly where in the article he mentions a fight for food and water as the "cause" he was supposed to be fighting for?

Also read this:

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/365408/Jewish_Capitalism_in_Israel

It should give you a more clear idea about this "food and water" issue that you think the "Palestinian cause" is about.

Between 1967, when Israel took over the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and 1987, when the first intifada erupted, those two territories were one of the fastest-growing economies on earth. GDP surged 30 percent a year for a decade, the Arab population nearly tripled, six new universities were launched, and Arab longevity jumped from 43 years to 74.

And that's when the "Palestinian cause" hit them.

Rather than bringing "food and water" to one of the richest regions in the middle-east outside the oil regions, it brought death to Jews and suffering to Arabs.

And then the world, all worried about the "plight" of the "Palestinians" decided it would be a good idea to force Israel to allow a terrorist group from Tunisia, the PLO, to rule over these people (presumably to bring them food and water).

And after that experiment failed, the "Palestinian cause" goes on.

Can you name a single place in, say,the poorer regions of Africa that imports as much food and luxury goods as Gaza?

And do you realise that if you say you support "the Palestinian cause", people will think you mean the same thing the Arabs call the "Palestinian cause"?

If you are in favour of delivering food and water to the inhabitants of the occupied territories, just say so. Don't associate it with the "Palestinian cause" which has never been about food and water. And don't blame others for being zealots because they refuse to see the connection between calls like "kill all the Jews" and essentials for women.

If you ever find yourself delivering food and water to the territories you will be in for a surprise though. The territories are not poor by any meaning of the word. They have cars, television sets, Internet access, mobile phones, and, I am sure, a better public health care system than the USA. Bringing "food and water" to a city like Ramallah, famous for its Falaafel and Schawarma, to help the people is like delivering cars to Los Angeles so the poor people of LA can finally drive to work.

The only thing these people need is to get rid of Hamas and the PLO, aka the people who brought them the "Palestinian cause" and whom the west is so happy to support.

(Incidentally, and this might surprise you too, "essentials for women" are usually bought in supermarkets in the territories. How backwards do you think those people are anyway???)

 

Reply #21 Top

And two more interesting articles.

About the "Palestinian cause", its leaders, and how they brought "food and water":

http://nizos.blogspot.com/2009/03/replace-both-palestinian-leaderships.html

In the meantime, what I do demand is a reformation of the PA, the removal of all the bahayem who line their pockets with the aid money. Dollars we were very lucky to receive in the first place. Wallah, African nations with more pressing needs are starving while we sit back, multiply, beg for handouts and get angry at the world when it doesn't go that extra step and wipe our asses for us.

About Zionism and the "Palestinian people":

http://nizos.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-zionism-arabs-and-democracy.html

To go back to the Palestinians, what you call Palestinians today were Levantines who were living under the Ottoman boot. Their Palestinian identity as it is known today crystallised in the refugee camps in the 1960's. Had they not been corralled into camps, they would have "melted" into their host countries within 1-2 generations at most. I know many Lebanese whose middle-class grandparents fled Haifa in 1948 and purchased their Lebanese citizenship upon arrival in Beirut. It is impossible to differentiate between them and other Lebanese. Impossible.

(No, he does not let Israel of the hook in his posts. But he does focus on what actually happened. Also, he is as gay as the day is long. You'll like him!)

I think you really ought to lose the idea that the "Palestinians" are very very poor (they are not) and that everybody who brings that up is some kind of zealot. You don't have to be an extremist Jewish settler to be against a murderous ideology that kills anything non-Arab and anything Arab that disagrees.

(The Arab equivalent of an "extremist Jewish settler" is an "Arab with Israeli citizenship". "Extremist" is a word that comes with being Jewish. "Settler" is a Jew who lives somewhere. An Arab who lives somewhere is an "inhabitant".)

Assume for a moment that Jews/Israelis/Zionists are not evil and work from there. Perhaps you will realise what's going on.

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I always considered the term "zionist" to be a stealth method of demonizing and hating on Jews. Even Jeremiah "god damn America" Wright once fell back on this method after his famous, "them Jews won't let me near Obama" insanity. He quickly changed "Jews" to "zionists" as if that would chaange the message.

Reply #23 Top

You don't have to be a reactionary Zionist war criminal to oppose a society where "women" are married off at age 14, homosexuals have to cower in fear and girls suspected of pre-marital sex are regularly murdered. You don't have to be a messianic Jewish settler living in Hebron to understand that the corruption and cynicism of the Fatah is immoral and hurts the Palestinians.

-- Ami Isseroff

I think it is high time that western liberals understand what it is they support when they support the "Palestinian cause".

Or is this really just about prolonging the conflict?

Reply #24 Top

I always considered the term "zionist" to be a stealth method of demonizing and hating on Jews. Even Jeremiah "god damn America" Wright once fell back on this method after his famous, "them Jews won't let me near Obama" insanity. He quickly changed "Jews" to "zionists" as if that would chaange the message.

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A "Zionist" is a middle-eastern Jew who is still alive.

Zionism, aka Jewish nationalism and the belief that Jews have a right to live in their original country, is the only way for Jews in the Middle-East to survive.

Apart from Morocco (which I definitely exclude here) Jews in the "Arab world" have been hunted down and killed ever since the rise of Arab nationalism (and since before Israels independence). Like other non-Arab minorities (and majorities) Middle-Eastern Jews had the choice: either live as slaves (if lucky) or die (if not) or fight back.

Look athe Middle-East and North-Africa. Do you know how many different peoples live in the area we call the "Arab world"? The Middle-East and North-Africa are as Arab as South-Africa is white.

But in contrast to South-African apartheid, the Arab rulers have rarely even recognised the others. Aramaic is not an official language of Syria (although it is the native language of the indiginous population). Syrian Kurds are not even citizens. Iraqi Kurds were gased by Sadam. Africans in Sudan are murdered and enslaved. The Berbers of North-Africa, who in Morocco are even still the majority of the population are not recognised as a people and their language is neither official nor usually even recognised as existing. (And the related civil war in Algeria killed 10 times as many people in a few years as the Arab-Israeli conflict in 60.)

The native population of Israel even before the advent of Zionism was a few ten thousand remaining Jews. The rest were Arabs who moved into the country over the last 1000 years and crypto-Jews living among them. (Recent genetic research has shown that up to 50% of Arabs in "Palestine" are of Jewish descent. And about 10% of them are aware of it and hide the fact, except for some Bedouins who are proud of it and are called "Jews" by other Bedouins.)

If American Indians moved back to, say, Maine, from Canada; would it be acceptable to murder them or "throw them into the sea"? Would such an attempt be the "American cause" associated by liberals with "food and water" and a "plight" of white Americans? I somehow doubt it, even if the Indians would win those wars.

People complained about apartheid in South-Africa and rightly so. But the Assyrians of Iraq (the native population) would be glad to have a "homeland" and the Massalith and Fur in Darfur pray daily for a life as an oppressed people (or any life really).

But I guess liberals are just to bothered with the issue of women's essentials in the wealthy parts of the region (like the West-Bank) to be worried about those things.

 

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PC = food, water, essentials for the women, children and men who are merely trying to live.

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The Palestinian territories are rated by the UN with a HDI of  0.737.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

That puts "Palestine" in the upper half of "medium human development" in the same general area as Iran and Syria and above Guyana (where my flat mate is from, 0.729), Indonesia (0.734), Egypt (0.703), and India (0.612).

Calls for "good and water" might just be a bit of an overreaction considering that the "oppressed Palestinians" in their "plight" enjoy one of the highest standards of living outside the western world and a higher standard of living than their brethren in Egypt and most of the rest of the Arab world.

So according to Alderic the "Palestinian cause" is about bringing food and water (and women's essentials) to people who get water from pipes and who buy food (and women essential's) in the supermarket. Israeli oppression must be fought because such a living standard is obviously akin to living in a concentration camp. (Alderic did not say that but many liberals make that comparison. As if Jews and Gipsies in REAL concentration camps bought food in supermarkets.)

The average is for all the of the territories (presumably including East-Jerusalem) but it is important to note than the living standard in Gaza, although it has gone down since Hamas took power and attacked Israel, is not much worse. In fact Gaza imports more food and luxury goods than most cities in the Middle-East and when the border between Gaza and Egypt was open for a few weeks the problem was not that the misery of Gaza swept into Egypt but that the (comparatively) rich Gazans bought the Sinai empty with their Israeli money.

Jihad Jaradeh, 24, a Gazan whose family owns a furniture shop, reached the Egyptian town of El Arish, some 25 miles from the border. Although shop owners doubled and tripled prices, Jaradeh paid up, saying he even gave extra "because they looked so poor."

Jaradeh is not typical; two-thirds of Gazans live on less than $2 a day. But many travelers remarked on the discrepancy between their more glamorous image of urban Egypt _ derived mostly from movies _ and the run-down border region of unpaved streets and small houses they encountered.

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"I've always wanted to see Palestine anyway," said a smiling [Egyptian] Mohammed, a slight dark man with black eyes. Pointing to cars crowding a nearby street, he said: "I thought conditions here would be harder than this. I thought people would be starving."

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A common quip is that Hamas should drop its "Save Gaza" slogan, coined in response to Israeli border closures, in favor of "Save El Arish" _ in this case, from Palestinian shoppers.

Still others jest that Egyptians will storm Gaza if the breach is sealed because the Palestinians have picked them clean.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020101924.html

I think it is time to give up the cheap propaganda lie that "Palestinians" are starving and have a "plight" and need people to engage in a "Palestinian cause" to get them "foor and water".

Let's face it, they buy the stuff in supermarkets like everyone does in the richer half of the world.

There is no "Palestinian cause" for better supermarkets. You could just as well (actually more justifiably) fight for the cause of getting food and water to Guayana which has a worse living standard than "Palestine", without much Israeli oppression.

How do you reconcile the idea that a "Palestinian cause" with leaders who demand the death of all Jews with the cause of getting food and water to a population who buy food in supermarkets and have more money than Egyptians?