What is  anti-Semitism in your mind?

War is Hell.

Ever since its creation by the United Nations, Isreal has been at war with its neighbors.

All those quotes you put up Leauki have biblical meaning to them.  It's been all foretold that this would happen when Israel went into their own land in the "latter days."  Here's something to give you hope:

"In that day will I make the governors of Judah like a hearth of fire among the wood and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people around about, on the right hand and on the left and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.  The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.  In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David and the house of David shall be as God as the angel of the lord before them.  And it shall come to pass in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 

Zechariah 12

There is nothing in history that describes this period as of yet.  This was written after the Babylonian captivity.  The Jews had never been in this position until now.  That's why this is still future and the reason why the Jews in their own homeland is HUGE. 

When Jesus came the first time, the people knew these old prophecies.  During one of the Passovers (John 6) when Jewish nationalism ran high because Passover is a celebration of the deliverance from Egypt, the Jews tried to make Jesus their King right then and there but he slipped away.  The time was not yet.  It's on God's timetable, not men's. 

Too bad Obama doesn't read the bible since he says he's a Christian!  He would/should have reservations against going against Israel if he knew better.   The biblical Christians understand this and this is why they are waiting with expectation right now all across the world. 

The Arabs have eliminated nearly all Massalith in Darfur. A bit of a final solution, if you get the idea.

Either way, killing the Jews never really stopped the wars. It was usually just the start. Anybody who kills Jews also kills non-Jews. People who call for the destruction of Israel usually forget that when Israel is under attack and nobody speaks up, they might themselves be under attack next, and at some point nobody will be left to speak up.

Thank you KFC, it does indeed give hope!

I have no doubt that there is biblical meaning behind events.

Incidentally, there is also an Islamic meaning here.

One hadith ("news" about Muhammed written down after his death and not part of the Quran) says this:

 “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”

(Hamas quote it in their charter.)

Note that Muhammed didn't say that Muslims would be _right_ in fighting the Jews, just that they will! And note that he specifically said that those Muslims would listen to and follow the commands of rocks and trees, a pagan ritual if I have ever seen one.

I find it interesting how many people will actually BLAME Israel for the fact that several Arab states ATTACKED her. But the same people are not sure what "anti-Semitism" is.

Don't forget that some Jews have always lived in Israel. The native population grew smaller and smaller under Greek, Roman, and Arab rule and finally grew again under Turkish and British rule.

And for those who like pointing out that Israel was "created" by the UN.... when the Ottoman Empire was destroyed the British and French and later the League of Nations and finally the UN "created" ALL the states in its former territory. But it's only in Israel's case that that is usually pointed out. I wonder why?

FYI, Leauki:

When I talk about the Palestinian cause - I talk about the humanitarian aspect of it. I do not view the government/leaders in palestine and the people of palestine as the same entity; I differentiate. To me, just because there are rotten eggs in a carton - doesn't mean they are all bad. Further, just as with our government and the fact that for us  about 98% of incumbents are re-elected, I see the same thing happening in palestine more so because of apathy and really having no other option. When people are crumbling, they'll often go with the wolf.

Buahahaha, oh yeah, go ahead and try that. Any country that does would want to go talk to a few countries first.

That's what people thought when Hitler announced he would kill all the Jews.

The truth is that when it comes right down to it, nobody will help Israel. This was the lesson learned in 1942.

Instead what will happen is this:

1. Somebody will announce that Israel should be destroyed and/or all Jews killed (like PLO leaders have done already decades ago).

2. The world will get angry when the Jews defend themselves because they do so violently.

3. When Israel falls, the world will celebrate like so many have in Europe when the Nazis deported the Jews.

4. When six million Jews have died, the world will see what it has just done and promise never to let it happen again.

5. Repeat.

AJ,

Exactly....Isreal, with all its military power and might,  not only won the 1967 war, they took over and occupied the land that was long settled by Palestinian families! 

What of the really real plight of the Palestinian people? 

Yes,

So we can continue the wars because Israel can defend herself. Brilliant.

And I am clouded by my zeal because I have a problem with ongoing wars for the sake of ongoing wars?

Yes. And before Israel did that land was used for constant attacks on Israel.

If the Arabs had wanted to keep that land, they could have sued for peace at any time before 1967. In fact Israel offered to return the land after the war in exchange for peace and the Arabs refused.

The "plight" of the "Palestinians" is simply due to their refusal to end the attacks.

Without the "Palestinian cause" there wouldn't be a "plight". The "Palestinian people" (who don't exist, they are simply local Arabs) have a higher standard of living than Arabs in Egypt and Jordan. That's their "plight". And if they wouldn't keep attacking Israel, there would be no border fence, no checkpoints, no counterattacks, no blockade, nothing.

(Unless you want to argue that the Jews would simply do these things for fun or out of the evil of their heart.)

I do not believe that all "Palestinians" are cold blooded monsters either. But I do believe that the "Palestinian cause" is evil. NOT "Palestinians", but the "Palestinian cause".

I also reject the idea of a "Palestinian people" since there has never been such a people. They are merely Arabs who live in the territory that the Europeans called "Palestine". They are not more or less "Palestinian" than non-Arabs who live in the same territory. The Qur'an refers to the area only in relation with the people of Israel not as "Palestine" which was a name the pagans gave to the land to insult the Jews. ("Palestine" derives from the Hebrew for "invaderland".)

You are still unable to differentiate between the people and the cause.

There is no "Palestinian cause" that is about "food, water, essentials for the women" etc. They have NEVER fought for that. They never needed to.

The only thing the "Palestinian cause" has to do with these things is that as long as the cause makes people fight, they will have less of these things because they are losing a war.

I don't know what made you believe that the "Palestinian cause" is about food and water but I guess it cannot have been the statements made by actual leaders of the "Palestinian cause".

I guess you just decided that food and water are good and Israel is evil, hence food and water must be the "Palestinian cause".

I also think that you have warped ideas of what the living standards are like in the occupied territories and in Gaza. I think you'd be surprised if you actually saw it (and compared it to the slums of Cairo etc.).

Also, read this:

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3105616,00.html

It will give you an idea of what the conflict is about.

The author is an Arab married to a Jewish woman.

Can you perhaps point out exactly where in the article he mentions a fight for food and water as the "cause" he was supposed to be fighting for?

Also read this:

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/365408/Jewish_Capitalism_in_Israel

It should give you a more clear idea about this "food and water" issue that you think the "Palestinian cause" is about.

Between 1967, when Israel took over the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and 1987, when the first intifada erupted, those two territories were one of the fastest-growing economies on earth. GDP surged 30 percent a year for a decade, the Arab population nearly tripled, six new universities were launched, and Arab longevity jumped from 43 years to 74.

And that's when the "Palestinian cause" hit them.

Rather than bringing "food and water" to one of the richest regions in the middle-east outside the oil regions, it brought death to Jews and suffering to Arabs.

And then the world, all worried about the "plight" of the "Palestinians" decided it would be a good idea to force Israel to allow a terrorist group from Tunisia, the PLO, to rule over these people (presumably to bring them food and water).

And after that experiment failed, the "Palestinian cause" goes on.

Can you name a single place in, say,the poorer regions of Africa that imports as much food and luxury goods as Gaza?

And do you realise that if you say you support "the Palestinian cause", people will think you mean the same thing the Arabs call the "Palestinian cause"?

If you are in favour of delivering food and water to the inhabitants of the occupied territories, just say so. Don't associate it with the "Palestinian cause" which has never been about food and water. And don't blame others for being zealots because they refuse to see the connection between calls like "kill all the Jews" and essentials for women.

If you ever find yourself delivering food and water to the territories you will be in for a surprise though. The territories are not poor by any meaning of the word. They have cars, television sets, Internet access, mobile phones, and, I am sure, a better public health care system than the USA. Bringing "food and water" to a city like Ramallah, famous for its Falaafel and Schawarma, to help the people is like delivering cars to Los Angeles so the poor people of LA can finally drive to work.

The only thing these people need is to get rid of Hamas and the PLO, aka the people who brought them the "Palestinian cause" and whom the west is so happy to support.

(Incidentally, and this might surprise you too, "essentials for women" are usually bought in supermarkets in the territories. How backwards do you think those people are anyway???)

I always considered the term "zionist" to be a stealth method of demonizing and hating on Jews. Even Jeremiah "god damn America" Wright once fell back on this method after his famous, "them Jews won't let me near Obama" insanity. He quickly changed "Jews" to "zionists" as if that would chaange the message.

A "Zionist" is a middle-eastern Jew who is still alive.

Zionism, aka Jewish nationalism and the belief that Jews have a right to live in their original country, is the only way for Jews in the Middle-East to survive.

Apart from Morocco (which I definitely exclude here) Jews in the "Arab world" have been hunted down and killed ever since the rise of Arab nationalism (and since before Israels independence). Like other non-Arab minorities (and majorities) Middle-Eastern Jews had the choice: either live as slaves (if lucky) or die (if not) or fight back.

Look athe Middle-East and North-Africa. Do you know how many different peoples live in the area we call the "Arab world"? The Middle-East and North-Africa are as Arab as South-Africa is white.

But in contrast to South-African apartheid, the Arab rulers have rarely even recognised the others. Aramaic is not an official language of Syria (although it is the native language of the indiginous population). Syrian Kurds are not even citizens. Iraqi Kurds were gased by Sadam. Africans in Sudan are murdered and enslaved. The Berbers of North-Africa, who in Morocco are even still the majority of the population are not recognised as a people and their language is neither official nor usually even recognised as existing. (And the related civil war in Algeria killed 10 times as many people in a few years as the Arab-Israeli conflict in 60.)

The native population of Israel even before the advent of Zionism was a few ten thousand remaining Jews. The rest were Arabs who moved into the country over the last 1000 years and crypto-Jews living among them. (Recent genetic research has shown that up to 50% of Arabs in "Palestine" are of Jewish descent. And about 10% of them are aware of it and hide the fact, except for some Bedouins who are proud of it and are called "Jews" by other Bedouins.)

If American Indians moved back to, say, Maine, from Canada; would it be acceptable to murder them or "throw them into the sea"? Would such an attempt be the "American cause" associated by liberals with "food and water" and a "plight" of white Americans? I somehow doubt it, even if the Indians would win those wars.

People complained about apartheid in South-Africa and rightly so. But the Assyrians of Iraq (the native population) would be glad to have a "homeland" and the Massalith and Fur in Darfur pray daily for a life as an oppressed people (or any life really).

But I guess liberals are just to bothered with the issue of women's essentials in the wealthy parts of the region (like the West-Bank) to be worried about those things.