An article by Stratfor (find link below)

Two major leaks occurred this weekend over the Iran matter.

In the first, The New York Times published an article reporting that staff at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N. nuclear oversight group, had produced an unreleased report saying that Iran was much more advanced in its nuclear program than the IAEA had thought previously. According to the report, Iran now has all the data needed to design a nuclear weapon. The New York Times article added that U.S. intelligence was re-examining the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of 2007, which had stated that Iran was not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon.

The second leak occurred in the British paper The Sunday Times, which reported that the purpose of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s highly publicized secret visit to Moscow on Sept. 7 was to provide the Russians with a list of Russian scientists and engineers working on Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

The second revelation was directly tied to the first. There were many, including STRATFOR, who felt that Iran did not have the non-nuclear disciplines needed for rapid progress toward a nuclear device. Putting the two pieces together, the presence of Russian personnel in Iran would mean that the Iranians had obtained the needed expertise from the Russians. It would also mean that the Russians were not merely a factor in whether there would be effective sanctions but also in whether and when the Iranians would obtain a nuclear weapon.

We would guess that the leak to The New York Times came from U.S. government sources, because that seems to be a prime vector of leaks from the Obama administration and because the article contained information on the NIE review. Given that National Security Adviser James Jones tended to dismiss the report on Sunday television, we would guess the report leaked from elsewhere in the administration. The Sunday Times leak could have come from multiple sources, but we have noted a tendency of the Israelis to leak through the British daily on national security issues. (The article contained substantial details on the visit and appeared written from the Israeli point of view.) Neither leak can be taken at face value, of course. But it is clear that these were deliberate leaks — people rarely risk felony charges leaking such highly classified material — and even if they were not coordinated, they delivered the same message, true or not.

The Iranian Time Frame and the Russian Role

The message was twofold. First, previous assumptions on time frames on Iran are no longer valid, and worst-case assumptions must now be assumed. The Iranians are in fact moving rapidly toward a weapon; have been extremely effective at deceiving U.S. intelligence (read, they deceived the Bush administration, but the Obama administration has figured it out); and therefore, we are moving toward a decisive moment with Iran. Second, this situation is the direct responsibility of Russian nuclear expertise. Whether this expertise came from former employees of the Russian nuclear establishment now looking for work, Russian officials assigned to Iran or unemployed scientists sent to Iran by the Russians is immaterial. The Israelis — and the Obama administration — must hold the Russians responsible for the current state of Iran’s weapons program, and by extension, Moscow bears responsibility for any actions that Israel or the United States might take to solve the problem.

We would suspect that the leaks were coordinated. From the Israeli point of view, having said publicly that they are prepared to follow the American lead and allow this phase of diplomacy to play out, there clearly had to be more going on than just last week’s Geneva talks. From the American point of view, while the Russians have indicated that participating in sanctions on gasoline imports by Iran is not out of the question, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev did not clearly state that Russia would cooperate, nor has anything been heard from Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on the subject. The Russian leadership appears to be playing “good cop, bad cop” on the matter, and the credibility of anything they say on Iran has little weight in Washington.

It would seem to us that the United States and Israel decided to up the ante fairly dramatically in the wake of the Oct. 1 meeting with Iran in Geneva. As IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei visits Iran, massive new urgency has now been added to the issue. But we must remember that Iran knows whether it has had help from Russian scientists; that is something that can’t be bluffed. Given that this specific charge has been made — and as of Monday not challenged by Iran or Russia — indicates to us more is going on than an attempt to bluff the Iranians into concessions. Unless the two leaks together are completely bogus, and we doubt that, the United States and Israel are leaking information already well known to the Iranians. They are telling Tehran that its deception campaign has been penetrated, and by extension are telling it that it faces military action — particularly if massive sanctions are impractical because of more Russian obstruction.

If Netanyahu went to Moscow to deliver this intelligence to the Russians, the only surprise would have been the degree to which the Israelis had penetrated the program, not that the Russians were there. The Russian intelligence services are superbly competent, and keep track of stray nuclear scientists carefully. They would not be surprised by the charge, only by Israel’s knowledge of it.

This, of course leaves open an enormous question. Certainly, the Russians appear to have worked with the Iranians on some security issues and have played with the idea of providing the Iranians more substantial military equipment. But deliberately aiding Iran in building a nuclear device seems beyond Russia’s interests in two ways. First, while Russia wants to goad the United States, it does not itself really want a nuclear Iran. Second, in goading the United States, the Russians know not to go too far; helping Iran build a nuclear weapon would clearly cross a redline, triggering reactions.

A number of possible explanations present themselves. The leak to The Sunday Times might be wrong. But The Sunday Times is not a careless newspaper: It accepts leaks only from certified sources. The Russian scientists might be private citizens accepting Iranian employment. But while this is possible, Moscow is very careful about what Russian nuclear engineers do with their time. Or the Russians might be providing enough help to goad the United States but not enough to ever complete the job. Whatever the explanation, the leaks paint the Russians as more reckless than they have appeared, assuming the leaks are true.

And whatever their veracity, the leaks — the content of which clearly was discussed in detail among the P-5+1 prior to and during the Geneva meetings, regardless of how long they have been known by Western intelligence — were made for two reasons. The first was to tell the Iranians that the nuclear situation is now about to get out of hand, and that attempting to manage the negotiations through endless delays will fail because the United Nations is aware of just how far Tehran has come with its weapons program. The second was to tell Moscow that the issue is no longer whether the Russians will cooperate on sanctions, but the consequence to Russia’s relations with the United States and at least the United Kingdom, France and, most important, possibly Germany. If these leaks are true, they are game changers.

We have focused on the Iranian situation not because it is significant in itself, but because it touches on a great number of other crucial international issues. It is now entangled in the Iraqi, Afghan, Israeli, Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese issues, all of them high-stakes matters. It is entangled in Russian relations with Europe and the United States. It is entangled in U.S.-European relationships and with relationships within Europe. It touches on the U.S.-Chinese relationship. It even touches on U.S. relations with Venezuela and some other Latin American countries. It is becoming the Gordian knot of international relations.

STRATFOR first focused on the Russian connection with Iran in the wake of the Iranian elections and resulting unrest, when a crowd of Rafsanjani supporters began chanting “Death to Russia,” not one of the top-10 chants in Iran. That caused us to focus on the cooperation between Russia and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on security matters. We were aware of some degree of technical cooperation on military hardware, and of course on Russian involvement in Iran’s civilian nuclear program. We were also of the view that the Iranians were unlikely to progress quickly with their nuclear program. We were not aware that Russian scientists were directly involved in Iran’s military nuclear project, which is not surprising, given that such involvement would be Iran’s single-most important state secret — and Russia’s, too.

A Question of Timing

But there is a mystery here as well. To have any impact, the Russian involvement must have been under way for years. The United States has tried to track rogue nuclear scientists and engineers — anyone who could contribute to nuclear proliferation — since the 1990s. The Israelis must have had their own program on this, too. Both countries, as well as European intelligence services, were focused on Iran’s program and the whereabouts of Russian scientists. It is hard to believe that they only just now found out. If we were to guess, we would say Russian involvement has been under way since just after the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, when the Russians decided that the United States was a direct threat to its national security.

Therefore, the decision suddenly to confront the Russians, and suddenly to leak U.N. reports — much more valuable than U.S. reports, which are easier for the Europeans to ignore — cannot simply be because the United States and Israel just obtained this information. The IAEA, hostile to the United States since the invasion of Iraq and very much under the influence of the Europeans, must have decided to shift its evaluation of Iran. But far more significant is the willingness of the Israelis first to confront the Russians and then leak about Russian involvement, something that obviously compromises Israeli sources and methods. And that means the Israelis no longer consider the preservation of their intelligence operation in Iran (or wherever it was carried out) as of the essence.

Two conclusions can be drawn. First, the Israelis no longer need to add to their knowledge of Russian involvement; they know what they need to know. And second, the Israelis do not expect Iranian development to continue much longer; otherwise, maintaining the intelligence capability would take precedence over anything else.

It follows from this that the use of this intelligence in diplomatic confrontations with Russians and in a British newspaper serves a greater purpose than the integrity of the source system. And that means that the Israelis expect a resolution in the very near future — the only reason they would have blown their penetration of the Russian-Iranian system.

Possible Outcomes

There are two possible outcomes here. The first is that having revealed the extent of the Iranian program and having revealed the Russian role in a credible British newspaper, the Israelis and the Americans (whose own leak in The New York Times underlined the growing urgency of action) are hoping that the Iranians realize that they are facing war and that the Russians realize that they are facing a massive crisis in their relations with the West. If that happens, then the Russians might pull their scientists and engineers, join in the sanctions and force the Iranians to abandon their program.

The second possibility is that the Russians will continue to play the spoiler on sanctions and will insist that they are not giving support to the Iranians. This leaves the military option, which would mean broad-based action, primarily by the United States, against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Any military operation would involve keeping the Strait of Hormuz clear, meaning naval action, and we now know that there are more nuclear facilities than previously discussed. So while the war for the most part would be confined to the air and sea, it would be extensive nonetheless.

Sanctions or war remain the two options, and which one is chosen depends on Moscow’s actions. The leaks this weekend have made clear that the United States and Israel have positioned themselves such that not much time remains. We have now moved from a view of Iran as a long-term threat to Iran as a much more immediate threat thanks to the Russians.

The least that can be said about this is that the Obama administration and Israel are trying to reshape the negotiations with the Iranians and Russians. The most that can be said is that the Americans and Israelis are preparing the public for war. Polls now indicate that more than 60 percent of the U.S. public now favors military action against Iran. From a political point of view, it has become easier for U.S. President Barack Obama to act than to not act. This, too, is being transmitted to the Iranians and Russians.

It is not clear to us that the Russians or Iranians are getting the message yet. They have convinced themselves that Obama is unlikely to act because he is weak at home and already has too many issues to juggle. This is a case where a reputation for being conciliatory actually increases the chances for war. But the leaks this weekend have strikingly limited the options and timelines of the United States and Israel. They also have put the spotlight on Obama at a time when he already is struggling with health care and Afghanistan. History is rarely considerate of presidential plans, and in this case, the leaks have started to force Obama’s hand.

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God I love this website

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read, they deceived the Bush administration, but the Obama administration has figured it out

That's a pretty short-sighted statement to make. Do you believe the Intelligence agencies "hired" new operatives since the Obama administration cam to power? No it's the same folks that have been working for years on this. If anything this administration is hurting their efforts with everyone looking over their shoulder for a witch hunt. You can't be that naive. Remember the Democrats crying to Bush about upsetting Iran in 2007? Memories are so short. Sorry Obama (nor Bush) get credit for this. Obama is losing his cred quickly with his stalled talks from a position of weakness. It was the left that felt the Russians could help, anyone with half a brain knows they are helping Iran.

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You can't be that naive

Who? Me?

This is Stratfor. A firm which specialise in intelligence gathering and analysis.

Do you believe the Intelligence agencies "hired" new operatives since the Obama administration cam to power? No it's the same folks that have been working for years on this. If anything this administration is hurting their efforts with everyone looking over their shoulder for a witch hunt.

Witch hunt? The "witch hunt" is about the counter-terrorism intelligence war that uses torture as interrogation mean, not the general intelligence organisation that is the CIA.

Funny that the only thing you can find to say about such insighful intelligence analysis is:

1- It's not right to say Obama's administration done anything right

2- Crazy thing about "Obama losing cred", "Being weak" "stalling negociations" "the left is responsible for trusting Russia". The Orange Revolution happened in 2004/05, which is at the peak of the republican's dominance over both the White House and the Capitol.

Obama actually did the opposite of more weakly diplomatic tactic. His actually took the initiative with this manoeuver, and will actually avoid more delaying by creating the proper sense of urgency that is needed badly to gather proper allies in pressuring Iran/Russia, and convincing populations around the world that crippling sanction is needed now, and if that fails, a military strike would be justified.

But the tactic is also subtle, and much clever than going in front of the citizens and saying "we know they have nukular weapons". Since the information source is 1) two leaks and 2) not 100% from the U.S. governement, the governement is keeping it's room for manoeuver and give ennough credential to the information.

Nobody knows if it's actually real or not (I'd give a low rating chance of being a lie). If it's a lie, then it's an even better gamble to use leaks. If it isn't, it still shows some subtility that lacked cruelly under Bush.

Oh, and I just read Startfor's intelligence report of the U.S.'s current coordination training between the U.S. and Israeli forces near Israel's coast, meant to intercept missiles. It's an operation of a very huge scale, apparently, which hasn't

Ergo, most of what you heard about Obama "backstabbing our allies" is probably partisanship propaganda.

Hmm.. finally, another report I read said that Russia probably dislike the chaos in Afhanistan and the taliban presence, so having them fighting for their survival it's a good thing. But having the U.S. to do it for them is probably icing on the cake. So I guess I am ambivalent about what we should do on the Afghanistan situation :fuzzy:

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here is the article about U.S. and Israel manoeuvers:

Summary

American warships and transport aircraft have been arriving in Israel ahead of a major ballistic missile defense exercise slated for the week of Oct. 12. The exercise will not only be noteworthy for its size and complexity, but for the integration and interoperability it hopes to achieve. In addition, it comes amidst a mounting crisis with Iran and will be watched closely by all sides.

Analysis

U.S. warships began arriving off the coast of Israel in late September to prepare for the countries’ largest and most complex bilateral ballistic missile defense (BMD) exercise since the biennial Juniper Cobra exercises began in 2001. Set to begin the week of Oct. 11, the exercises will include a series of BMD systems that would be used to defend against a hypothetical ballistic missile attack launched from Iran. The Juniper Cobra exercise also comes amid increasing tension between Iran and the United States, which makes the timing of the exercise potentially suspect.

Reports of ships and supplies arriving in Israel date back two weeks, suggesting that considerable work has been under way to ensure that the various systems and sensors are properly synced and networked. Therefore, the exercise is perhaps not indicative of a true crisis deployment, but will provide important lessons for integrating U.S.-Israeli BMD systems and is certainly a show of force at a politically opportune moment.

American and Israeli cooperation on BMD technology development has been deep and long-standing. There is a mutual interest in the technology, and Israel offers not just additional financial backing but fertile testing grounds, due to the threats from states in the region that have ballistic missiles. The Arrow 2 theater BMD system is the product of joint U.S.-Israeli development efforts dating back to 1986, and to which Washington has contributed just under half of the development and operating costs (now totaling around $2 billion). Reportedly, the United States will contribute more than $100 million for the development of the third iteration of the Arrow system.

Israel and the United States also have operational military cooperation. The first Juniper Cobra exercise was held in February 2001, when U.S. Patriot missile batteries deployed to the Dimona nuclear facility in the Negev in order to reinforce Israeli Patriot batteries. At that point, the threat was Iraqi scuds. The exercises have grown over the years to include more BMD systems and intricate cooperation. By almost any standard, the 2009 iteration of Juniper Cobra will be the largest and most complex military exercise between the two countries.

Alongside the Israeli Arrow system and Patriot batteries, the United States is deploying:

  • The newer Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3), designed for terminal phase BMD.
  • The Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system, which works in conjunction with PAC-3 to conduct intercepts in the late descent and early terminal phase, essentially creating overlapping coverage.
  • The Aegis/Standard Missile-3 (SM-3), the most operationally proven and capable of all American BMD technologies. The SM-3 is deployed aboard upgraded Aegis-equipped guided missile cruisers and destroyers and is capable of ascent and decent phase intercepts. It was used to bring down a wayward satellite in 2008.


Phases of BMD Trajectory
(click here to enlarge image)

 

This will not be the first time different elements of the U.S. BMD architecture have been tested together, but there will be noteworthy developments nonetheless: Operating with foreign systems could offer considerable insight into the true state and deployability of the current American BMD architecture.

In addition to simulations, limited live-fire exercises are expected. Their performance will be watched closely by not only the United States and Israel but allies interested in BMD like Japan and Poland as well as potential adversaries like Iran, North Korea, Russia and China. What is learned and deployed will streamline future American deployments of BMD assets to Israel — whether for further training or for operational employment.

Military exercises like Juniper Cobra do not take place in a vacuum. In 2007, Juniper Cobra was held in March and at that point, the 2009 exercises were also scheduled for spring. It seems that the schedule changed and regardless of the reason, the timing of these exercises will ratchet up already sky-high tensions between the West and Iran.

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I'm not disagreeing with the intelligence. You seem to infer with the statement I quoted that the intelligence agencies are somehow "political" -that Obama found something Bush didn't or couldn't - that is absurd, and taints your article. This information might have been available on a need to know basis months before being publicly released (you know like the location of the second uranium enrichment site in Iran). Do you honestly believe that as soon as the intel comes in Stratfor posts it on their website for you to read?

Yes I know what the Attorney General is investigating (for partisan reasons) the CIA for. I think this makes the whole intelligence agency wary that they will be investigated next for their actions, whatever they may be, just because someone doesn't like it, so therefore may be over cautious. Much information comes from Humint, and if we don't know how that information was extracted, some liberal do-gooder lawyer will be bringing up charges. Other nations do not want to give us information because they are fearful their methods will be exposed in some US court room. Obama's policies/actions occurring now in the intel community will take months/years before the full impact can be assessed. So I stand by my statement 100%.

Next you throw around military exercises as some sort of "proof" of Obama's commitment to allies. Your lack of military knowledge shows. Exercises are scheduled months (sometime well over a year) in advance. Some exercises are annual or periodic events. Do you think the president schedules these things? These often have little to do with politics although they can have political implications. We've had exercises with China and Russia too, does that make them buddies... your point again???

Just because you read a little from resource doesn't make you an expert. What you are reading is designed for public consummation. If it weren't you wouldn't be reading it because it would be classified.

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Do you honestly believe that as soon as the intel comes in Stratfor posts it on their website for you to read?

Since the event that is analysed is something that happened last week, I don't see your point. They analysed the implications of the event based on their already established intelligence and published it, with giving some of their premium customer one or many days ahead. The rest was something already published (as shown in the many links) and what the article offered was a new interpretation of before-accumulated (and publicised) knowledge.

Now, the intelligence was probably discovered in the past year, and only now has been leaked, in order to precipitate the situation and stop IRan's delaying tactic. Tell me how that is the wrong thing to do?

Next you throw around military exercises as some sort of "proof" of Obama's commitment to allies. Your lack of military knowledge shows.

Tell me how your military knowledge overcome mine outside of your empty statement.

Military exercice might have been scheduled, but their scale and complexity are not set in stone when they are scheduled. The existence of exercice is not meaningful, but the integration and coordination training of both naval and air forces are meaningful, as such coordination would be necessary (nay, crucial) for an intervention against Iran, both on the offensive and defensive side of the military action. Taking out Iran's retaliatory means will take a very complex a process (military-wise).

Do you think the president schedules these things? These often have little to do with politics although they can have political implications. We've had exercises with China and Russia too, does that make them buddies... your point again???

The president is responsible for foreign policy. So if he wanted to reduce support to Israel, cutting the fantastic costs of such exercice with Israel wouldn't be a hard thing to do. You just want to say "Obama is betraying Israel", because it'S politically convenient. When you bring me the non-partisan proof that he really undermine U.S.'s support to Israel beyond statements regarding Palestinian's situation, I'll be all hear.

Exercices with Russia and China might have more than one meaning. First of all, U.S. Navy has supreme domination over the world's sea, and U.S. policy has often acted to preserve that domination. Doing exercices with China is the best way to check up on their capabilities. Same thing with Russia, when you think. China might be more important, as their progress has to be on the skill of their sailors and captains and admirals, while the Russians already have a good established navy tradition, and their progresses are more technology-wise (and easier to hide. But it's still worth the intel).

Since you are the main high-tech weapon suppliers of the Israeli, there is little intelligence to win on that side with training with them. Ergo, the main benefit is actually helping the integration of their military structure into yours.

Just because you read a little from resource doesn't make you an expert. What you are reading is designed for public consummation. If it weren't you wouldn't be reading it because it would be classified.

Not an expert, but definetly more knowledgeable than many people that are ignorantly posting on this website (or commenting on the news). It might be designed for public comsummation, but it's still has a plus-value added to it linked to the analysis. Properly analysing public knowledge is worth a lot, and I don,t know a single news media that value proper analysis over big headlines that lasts for 5 minutes or a crappy story that makes you emotional.

 

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Now, the intelligence was probably discovered in the past year, and only now has been leaked, in order to precipitate the situation and stop IRan's delaying tactic. Tell me how that is the wrong thing to do?

All I'm saying is you are only reading what is meant for your eyes. Your head would spin if you knew what you don't read. You somehow think Stratfor is a fly on the wall at the Pentagon. I am saying, the info might be true, but it's not fresh or necessarily complete. Iran can read the Stratfor web pages too. Anything a even a citizen (and especially you as a non-citizen) can read has been sanitized, if it even remotely becomes available to the public. I can put up a website analyzing "intelligence" reports, but it's still opinion, because someone would be knocking on your door if gave out sensitive information. You can't seem to grasp that. I have no problem with Stratfor's armchair quarterbacking, their opinion is fine by me. My issue on your article is the amount of credit you give the administration on intelligence they just aren't in as much control as you think they are. They get their morning brief and adjust their position (or not) accordingly. not the other way around. They don't sit around and say "we like this guy better than Bush lets work harder".

Tell me how your military knowledge overcome mine outside of your empty statement.

I don't know it might have been 24 prior years in the military or maybe my close work in my present job with the Intel community -just a guess though as I'm not privy to everything, Now, your credentials - beyond the ability to read unclassified web pages that is?

Since you are the main high-tech weapon suppliers of the Israeli, there is little intelligence to win on that side with training with them. Ergo, the main benefit is actually helping the integration of their military structure into yours.

Your foolish to believe that. Israel can and does teach us many valuable lessons. And their are somethings we don't know about their methods and vice versa. Perhaps that is why we spy on each other still.

Just continue believing what you want to believe, it's on the internet it must be true, right? ;)

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Just continue believing what you want to believe, it on the internet it must be true, right?

What can you expect Nitro, Democratic politicians break laws, such as Rangel, and rather than punishing him, the Democrats first shoot down a resolution by the Republicans then they accuse Republicans of being politically motivated to oust Rangel. Kinda funny how the Democrats had no quarrel punishing Wilson for his outburst yet they defend their own and attack those simply wanting punishment where punishment is deserved. I'm sure Cykomir can find an article on the WWW that will prove Rangel did not break any laws (I wonder if Biden thinks Rangel is unpatriotic) because as you said, if it's on the Internet it must be true.

Obama is weak, has no military experience and has never really cared for winning wars anyways. He just wants to be buddies with the rest of the world and the only way he knows how to do that is by making us look like the cause of all the worlds ills. It's not bad enough most countries already saw us as the problem (allies and enemies), now we have a President, a President, verifying this belief for them.

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Just another day in politics Chuck. Some like it that way and hypocrisy is acceptable to them.

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All I'm saying is you are only reading what is meant for your eyes. Your head would spin if you knew what you don't read. You somehow think Stratfor is a fly on the wall at the Pentagon. I am saying, the info might be true, but it's not fresh or necessarily complete.

Yhea, but then again, what is the point you are trying to make? If I had access to need-to-know information, I wouldn't be arguing about them on a political blog, wouldn't I?

So, I have to come to the conclusion that professional in-dept analysis of public information is probably the best source of intelligence we can use to discuss on this website. You cannot dismis something they say, which is based on certified intelligence gathering (regardless if the original intelligence was meant as counter-intel) by saying: "But there is something they don't know".

Well, duh.

Off course there is something they don't know. There is a shitload of data that we don't have, but we, small citizens, still need to be able to collect information about what is happening around the world in order to understand the implication of what we hear on the news - or, specially, what isn't deemed newsworthy by the big networks.

don't know it might have been 24 prior years in the military or maybe my close work in my present job with the Intel community -just a guess though as I'm not privy to everything

Which it might sound good, you need to do better than telling me vague statements about vague employers/industry. What did you do in the military for those 24 years? Were you in the intelligence gathering/analysis business? How high in the chain were you?

I work in the investment business, but I am currently in the low-end of the chain, since I recently started. My job is also to collect public intelligence on companies in order to provide with decision-makers proper data to make the right choice. It doesn't make me more knowledgeable than you when you comes to general investment. I might tell you interesting things about Firms X, Y and Z, and if they are a "buy" or a "sell", but that's about it. The decision-makers still read the papers written by other people, so that as many input as possible is received.

Taken from that reality, I apply the same logic on the geopolitical universe. Stratfor happens to be the least partisanship analysis provider I know off, with the best credentials (some might say they have a pro-U.S. stance, but I heard people saying they have an anti-U.S. stance, so I'll say they must be fairly independant).

They don't have a fly on the Pentagone's wall, but they have more intel-gathering and analyzing ressources than most existing non-government bodies (and I suspect they have higher budget into intel than some of the smaller countries of the world). So when it comes to extrapolating public knowledge (the core of any intelligence-based operation) into insights, I'd give a high rating to the result of these analysis.

In short: two leaks about the same field of interest in the world, at this point of time, is too high a coincidence to be a coincidence. So it might be deliberate. If it is deliberate, let's see who has the power and the interest in leaking that information, and how it fits into the known strategy the players implicated have, why they did it, and what they expect to do about it.

They aren't giving us The Big Truth, but they *are* giving us the best guesses a private citizen could have on the situation without being privy to need-to-know information.

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I'm sure Cykomir can find an article on the WWW that will prove Rangel did not break any laws (I wonder if Biden thinks Rangel is unpatriotic) because as you said, if it's on the Internet it must be true.

If I had any interest about that topic, I guess I could. But I don't believe anything I see on the internet as face value.

Stratfor, on the other hand, is a very highly-graded intelligence source, so I can trust their geopolitical analysis more than I can trust a partisan website of either political spectrum.

Your foolish to believe that. Israel can and does teach us many valuable lessons. And their are somethings we don't know about their methods and vice versa. Perhaps that is why we spy on each other still.

Meaning? Tell me, what does the Isaeli military provides to the U.S. military? You seem to know on the topic, so I would be very interested in knowing more about it.

Obama is weak, has no military experience and has never really cared for winning wars anyways. He just wants to be buddies with the rest of the world and the only way he knows how to do that is by making us look like the cause of all the worlds ills.

This is exactly what I was talking about "No caring about the facts, just wanting to bash Obama".

You have no idea what is Obama's strategy, you have no idea what is Obama's goals. You just want to say whatever fits your political end.

I don't even vote in the freaking U.S., and beside Palin, I didn't really cared about who got elected president of the U.S. in 08. I believe many people over-rate Obama. But on the other hand, I also believe people like you will simply refuse to agree to any idea that he might do good in this world for your country.

You even refuse the concept that he might cares about your country and want its best. You think his diplomatic approach is meant to weaken you?

That's irrationality if I ever saw it.

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Which it might sound good, you need to do better than telling me vague statements about vague employers/industry. What did you do in the military for those 24 years? Were you in the intelligence gathering/analysis business? How high in the chain were you?

None of your concern (you seem incapable of understanding what cannot be said to ask such a question). Believe what you like. Try sticking to your comment "Obama's intelligence gather good Bush intelligence gathering bad" argument. You liberals like to go off on tangents. My entire reason for commenting the statement you made below

(read, they deceived the Bush administration, but the Obama administration has figured it out);

It's not true, not even close. Can I make it any more plain?

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(you seem incapable of understanding what cannot be said to ask such a question).

Or you seem incapable of grasping subtlety.

entire reason for commenting the statement you made below

And that is the only intelligent thing you have to say out of that thousands-word article?

Talk about partisanship myopa!

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And that is the only intelligent thing you have to say out of that thousands-word article?

If it's false it's false. I'm not concerned about the rest of your article . You are the one bringing it up. Talk about liberal spin! This is exactly why things like health care go unresolved in the US. Sensible people want to go line by line and discuss merit, why liberals take it a criticism of the (their) whole plan. If your not in total agreement your wrong, well thanks but no thanks. Keep believing Obama is the answer if you like. Personally I've wasted too much of my time explaining why that one line was incorrect, and you haven't given compelling evidence why it is. Here's some advice, next time you post some other persons analysis or link, leave your own asinine assumptions out of it. It will be that much better to get the story from the source, especially if you can't/won't explain your interjected comments when challenged.