Ah, there's the rub!  He don't think!  besides, it does not take brains to spout talking points - just a teleprompter as we see each press conference these days.

Besides, isn't "false Wars" a stupid expression?  perhaps what the talking points meant to say was unjust war.  But a false war would be one where a war is declared, but no action taken (kind of what happened after September 1939 until May 1940).  But then I do not expect the talking points to illustrate that stupidity.

It is, which is why I asked him what a "false war" is.

I don't understand the fascination of the left with the Iraq war.

As conflicts go it was one of the smallest (despite made-up casualty numbers by journalists who apparently didn't find Iraq too dangerous to go there and report). It was also one of the few that actually achieved something (Iraq is free now).

Let's see, the Afghanistan issue was a simple yes or no based on current data from people who are in the field in a situation that was currently in progress and demanded a quick response. If both sides of the Afghanistan ordeal would pause for a moment while Obama made a decision then we would not need to rush him. But the reason for the decision was a matter of whether we might or might not lose control of that situation.

The Healthcare issue is one where even if they decided today to pass this bill it would not have real effects (if any) for a long time and considering the amount of people that could be affected by this and considering this is a long term decision as oppose to a short "surge" that will affect this country for years to come, this decision needs to be well thought out, discussed and agreed upon not just by one party but by both sides.

To compare the healthcare of an entire nation for years or even decades to come with the need to overtake the enemies revitalized will is not exactly a great comparison AJ. You may see this as some kind of talking point but in reality it is you who are looking for reasons to complain considering even you agree this current bill passing thru should be stopped. So you really need to make up your mind. You either disagree with this current healthcare bill as Republicans do or you are simply complaining because of the fact that Republicans are against it.

And here is where you always get lost in the point. It's not about lowering the deficit, it's about whether they can actually do it with their proposal. You seem to always focus on the results but fail to notice the actions taken to get these results. You usually fail to notice it is the action that most of us are against, not the results. This is why Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Coservatives and everyone at the same time insults each other, because most people miss the point of everything.

I am not against healthcare reform, I am against the current concept of how to reform it. I am not against keeping my planet clean, I am against the concept on how to achieve it that will hurt me and many others in the process. I am not in favor of war, but I accept that sometimes it's what it takes to get things done. I am not against helping those in need, I am against the process that is proposed that while it seems to help it actually creates a a bigger problem by creating dependancy.

It's not about the results most of us argue, it's about the method proposed to get the results.

Excellent points!  But I would take it a step further (clarification wise).  It is not about the titles, it is about the spin.  The title is "health Care reform", yet the whole purpose has nothing to do with Health Care reform, but Health INSURANCE reform.  So under the truth in advertising laws (that unfortunately government does not have to obey), it is all a lie. The 4000+ pages in congress right now will do nothing to reform health care.

Same with polution.  They say "Global climate change" and again it is a lie.  It is not GCC, but at best AGC, and more specifically AGW.  And the methods (which you rightly point out) will do NOTHING for that since all it will be doing is selling indulgences (basically moving the poluters from point A to point B and then pocketing a hefty commission from the move).

But those who yell and berate and belittle the opposition yell loudest when someone tries to restore truth in advertising.  Like vampires, they cannot stand for their pet projects to see the light of day.

I have to admit I too find this fascination with the Iraq War confusing. Many legit reasons were given as to why we went to war with Iraq but the only one they stick with is the whole WMD thing. Funny thing is none of them are happy there were none, instead, they are mad we didn't find any. If that is not confusing I don't know what is.

You know what saddens me the most? That rather than seeking some kind of compromise where both parties come as close as possible together and agree on what's best for this Nation and it's people, those who are are political party fanboys would rather the other party have little if anything to do with decision making just because of their party affiliation. So sad if you ask me.

That has always been the case in the house where 50%+1 is the rule.  However in years past, since the Senate required 60, there was usually some facade placed on it to make it look bi-partisan (by both parties).  This year there is no need, so they just dropped the facade.  I dont fool myself for a minute to think the republicans would not do the same given the power.  But then instead of Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman, you would be having stories about Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

I agree. Republicans would not hesitate either. I have to believe that sooner or later all this has to stop and our Gov't can be run more decently. I would hate to think that the people of this nation would be dumb enough to revert back to the same economic system that got us here in the first place (massive credit debt). I wanna believe we can avoid that and eventually change this current political mentality we have in all 3 houses and every gov't office in every state. This is why sometimes I don't mind people getting screwed in the process; it's human nature to learn things the hard way sometimes. Think about it, how did we ever find out fire can hurt you if you stick your hand in it?

Life's experiences can be rough.  But as we see, some never learn (liberals).  As for the rest, well that is why I figure we needed an Obama.  Some may just be smart enough to learn from the worst.

OK slight change in plans for the Obama administration. Now that Brown has won the senate seat in Massachusetts what will be the next move?

- Will the Democrats force the heath care issue? The loss in MA must be giving pause to some moderate Dem's, at least those that might lose their seat in November. 

- Will Reid stall seating Brown to give Dem's time to push the HC bill?

- Will the House Dem's take the Senates HC plan "as is" just to push it through to get something?

The next few days will be interesting, to be sure. Is the Democratic Party willing to commit political hari kari to push the agenda through? Events are now modeling 1994 more than ever. Will Obama take note and move to the center, or does his far left base dictate he continues as is?

One big factor that wasn't present in force during 1994 is of course the Internet. Ideas travel quicker than ever. Will the first president that used technology to his advantage in the 2008 campaign be able to use it to his advantage now? 

1. - They will try, but cracks are already appearing (Jim Webb says wait for Brown).  The leadership is going to push it, but the rank and file want to get re-elected and that is going to hurt.  can Pelosi keep the razor thin majority in place?

2. - I think they will go with plan B.  The house will try to pass the Senate version.  At least at first.  If that fails, they will turn to Olympia Snowe.

3. - That is the only thing I am fairly sure of.  My answer is yes.  But I have doubts it will succeed.

I believe Jim Webb sees the writing on the wall, it remains to be seen if more will listen. Pelosi has no problem marching others off to the slaughter from the security of her San Fran stronghold. Reid, on the other hand, is in a very weak position in his home state of Nevada. There they are lighting up the torches and sharpening the pitchforks.

Olympia Snowe has to be looking at what happened so close to home. I'm not so sure she would be so open to the same suggestions that may have worked only a month ago.

Yes I feel there will be an effort to get something pushed. We should know better very soon.

There is another thing to think about.  Pelosi is calling all the shots now.  If the house votes on the senate plan, the senate will never see it again (well, perhaps in reconcilliation).  I agree with you about her.  And with any luck, she will march the lemmings right over the cliff.

Yeah, I do get metal images of Pelosi b*tch slapping Reid and coercing him to his part for the peoples republic revolution.

Sarcasm accepted. It is not the difficulties that define the president, it is how the president deals with them. President Clinton was first attacked by AQ, he did little to stop them, tried to make them criminals. AQ continued to attack right up to the end of his administration.

President Bush had to  deal with a recession the second month into his administration, followed by the China test of his presidency, got that calmed down and our people back, then 9/11 and instead of sweeping it under the carpet he did something. War was declared by AQ durning Mr. Clinton and we joined that war during Mr. Bush who said this will be a long war that would outlast his administration. He understood the danger, and our enemy.

President Obama took office, in response to AQ he began to show weakness to the world and weakend our security system. Our economy started to slide and in response he destroyed our ecconomic system. We get attacked again by AQ twice and it took a second attack before "terrorism" was brought back into the presidents lexicon. Is there any reason his poll numbers have nosedived? Well, yeah. He is an empty suit with little understanding of the world and how it works. The people are starting to see this and for some strange reason reject his ignorance.

It had nothing to do with "major difficulties" and everything to do with "major difficulties" because the variable is not the difficulty but how it is handled by our leader.

He seems to think it is the same anger that swept him into office, is what swept Brown into office. Kind of like people holding their nose, saying you (Obama) stink, and him saying "They can't possibly me "ME",  they must mean Bush".

In one way it is the same and you said it - anger.  But that is the only similarity.

The voters have spoken... will the administration listen?

no.

LOL that's pretty definitive!

I'll be relatively sure by the end of the first quarter of the new year in 2011. The left talk(ed) about Obama's massive intelligence (I haven't seen it, but) let's see if it's true or not. He did nothing to head off the election results, but now that he's sacrificed his pawns it will be interesting to see his next move, now that his job will be on the chopping block.

If it was true, he would never have done what he did.  The fact that he is too stupid to know that he knows not shows his lack of intelligence.  As such, since he cannot see how wrong he is, he will never try to change.  And thus he will be one of the stupidest presidents in history.  Perhaps only exceeded by Carter. (in intelligence, not in failure).

Well I can't picture him building houses, so Carter will have that on him.

yes, Carter does have a trade.

Perhaps he can build a retirement home for community organizers before he passes on.

Physically?  or mentally?  If the latter, I am afraid it is too late.