An Apology to Senator Wilson

IMO he was wrong, not for what he said, but the timing. Now the Dems are making a media circus of it, using it to gloss over the warts on this pig called health care reform.

No, he was not wrong.  He was just as appropriate as Obama would have been if he had spoken out against Reverend Wright during one of his sermans.  Certainly it is against decorum but when someone in the position of power is spewing garbage that is harmful, you have a duty to speak out.

I would think that Obama, because of his position, should be held to a much greater standard than anyone else, yet we are sitting around throwing stones at Senator Wilson rather than putting the shame on the one that really deserves it.

This is our country, what is more important?  Protecting the continuation of our fading rights or beating up a bold protector of those rights for lack of decorum?

He wasn't wrong in the sense that he did not yield to Obama's lies, but he did break the rules. There is a saying "there's a time and place for everything", this was not the time. He could have made his voice heard by speaking out to the Media. I do, however, think the Dems are abusing this situation for political reason. ironic considering Obama claims the Rep are against healthcare reform for political reasons.

The question is why has he not been running with this? hy is he not being vocal outside the House? Why aren't any of the Reps being more vocal after this?

Most conservatives are capable of a sense of shame, unlike most liberals.  We tend to feel bad about losing our temper out of a sense of obligation to a certain standard of behavior and respect.  Many, if not most, liberals view insults as a strategy - nothing to feel bad about, just another tool in the shed.

Conservatives aren't any more or less human than anyone else, but when their human failings come to light, they tend to retire from the field.  When the human failings of liberals become public, believing they are anointed to rule, they tend to deflect blame &/or play victim, seldom considering retiring from the field (see Kennedy, Theodore).  In the infrequent cases where they choose to retire from the field (see Jones, Van) they usually continue to play the victim and are generally lionized by their fellow travelers as such (also see CORN, A).

I agree with Charles that there is a time and place for everything and this outburst wasn't right.  I too have wanted to shout out at inappropriate times when I heard an untruth.  I remember my husband holding me back once, cause I had all I could do to keep my mouth shut.  I tend to be expressive at times, not so much now that I'm older and wiser, but when I was younger...whew!  Not good! 

He was wrong and once he apologized that should have been the end of it. This is getting way overblown.  If the dems had their way his tongue would have been cut off for making such a statement. 

I think the house needs to put on their big boy boxers, sit down and behave themselves.  They're making themselves out to be quite childish. 

Afterall they are claiming to be our leaders.  What kind of example are they setting here? 

I beg to differ with each of you.  Our rights are evaporating right before our very eyes.  It is so very clear, in fact, none of you would contest that. 

In light of the fact that the government whose duty is to protect our rights have almost completely turned against us, I believe Wilson's little outbreak was appropriate. 

Let us say that instead of words Obama stood in front of the joint commission pointing a gun.  Would then it be appropriate for some one to shout out?  Or should they also sit like nice polite ladies and gentlemen?  Of course he didn't have a gun however the ideals and philosophy that Obama and his supporters embrace are much more dangerous than any gun for they go against everything that our forefathers stood for and our couragous soldiers die for.  They are gleefully destroying what it is that makes our country so beautiful.

I do agree with your principle, I just believe this forum was inappropriate for the the Senator's comment (which in essence I agree with). IMO conservatives are not going to win the hearts and minds of the people by out-lefting the left. The majority of the people are with the right on this one. When you're that far ahead their is no need to thumb your nose.

I like (and appreciate) your passion, as I do the Senators. But, there is a time and place for everything. Let the far-left be the hateful, ill-mannered folks if they so chose. We do not need to isolate ourselves from the moderates and independents, especially on areas of common agreement. Many are fed up with the nastiness of politics. Lets talk about the issues, not the theater.

Think about it this way.

What if everyone shouted out as he was speaking?  Wouldn't that be chaos?  If after every little thing he said someone made a comment would we be able to make sense of it all?  How would we hear over all the noise?  I'm sure there was alot said by Obama that night that alot of those listening disagreed over. It wasn't just Wilson who did speak up.  Many were thinking similar thoughts.   I can only imagine if they had all let loose what would have happened. 

If it were the other way around and Wilson was pu there to speak and all the lefties were yelling at him for every comment he made wouldn't that make you mad?  Let the man have his say and then we can discuss it. 

We should all be given the dignity to have our say even if others disagree with us.   

should addison graves wilson (that would be good ol joe btw) have apologized to the late senator thurmond's illegitmate black daughter--as he would eventually do--after publicly calling her a liar when she revealed to the world that her famously racist father was a lying hypocrite at least as regards race mixing.

i'd be much less interested in an apology for his most recent outrage than in whether he'd have even considered showing such disrespect to a white president.

Oh, God - not you, too?

Yeah, yeah we get it. It's all about race. Just because the most racist party in the history of the US puts a black man in the white house, does not give them the right to accuse others. Simple minds will fall for this tactic and hate does keep voters in line, but just a small amount of research shines the light on the facts.

almost exactly my immediate reaction to realizing you were goin all religious and deity-invoking on me, but that's a whole other story. 

badly as i wish it weren't the case, it's ridiculous to pretend there isn't a segment of our population who consider "president of the united states' and 'white male' mutually exclusive writ in stone concepts.  i don't know addison graves wilson except by reputation and cannot say whether he is or is not a member of that sorry subset of throwbacks.  having said that, it seems to me much more likely than otherwise those racists feel encouraged and validated by wilson.

in any discussion of what simple minds might fall for, i can only defer to your real world experience.  

you are certainly correct that it takes very little research into addison graves wilson senior's public record to bring to light his association with and employment by white supremacist strom thurmond, his impassioned effort to defame strom's illegitimate black daughter as (what else?) a liar or his years-long battle to preserve his state's long tradition--going all the way back to 1962 when an all-white state legislature voted it into law to demonstrate their commitment to civil rights for all south carolinians--of flying the confederate flag atop the state capitol. 

what's that ol saying bout walking like a duck and looking like a duck and running your beak off like a duck?

This is sick and perverse; you really think it has to do with the color of his skin rather than the content of his words? I have called Mr. Obama and empty suit since he was a Senator. I have disagreed with most of his policies mostly as he announced them. not because he is the first black president but because he is a weak sister. Mr. Obama is doing the same things that Mr. Carter did when he took office. The only difference is I voted for Mr. Carter because I believed that racism lies told about republicans. That took me a year to realize I was lied to and have not supported democrats since I found out how racist they are. You Bee, still believe the lies and swallowed them, hook, line, sinker, the boat, and half the water it displaced. Every time liberal democrats get caught the first thing they do is blame and then attack the people that caught them. The only racism I have seen in my life time has been on the democrat side of the house. Republicans as far as I have been able to trace back have only had one prominent person as a member of the KKK. He was the Governor of Illinois back in the 20's. Democrats can't say that and still embrace racists. When the South was racist they had democrat representatives. When racism started to end republicans were taking power in the south. We are told that the South is racist because of the past, but we don't see that in states were their are republicans. We don't see racists, and lynch mobs, racial attacks and rapes of black women. What did the democrats do to help end this? They lost power.

I am sad that Mr. Obama is the second black president; Remember that Mr. Clinton was hailed as the first black president. If Senator Kerry were elected president he was saying his wife would be the first African-American first lady. It would have been true but still sad. Mr. Obama fits the racial stereotype of liberals. Too out of his league to do his job so when he fails they can point to the fact that they supported him and were not racist but we can't let that happen again and use that to justify never supporting a black person again. Black people just aren't ready for high office. I heard that before each time they put and incompetent black in some office of power and then let them screw it up.

I am ashamed that the first or second black president is a fascist and too interested in destroying our nation rather than building it up and makeing corrections as needed.

Bee, so by your logic idiots are encouraged and validated by Mr. Obama? Socialists, communists, malcontents, racists, race baiters and the corrupt are encouraged and validated by Mr. Obama and his policies. Because all of them seem to flourish by supporting Mr. Obama.

You keep bringing up Senator Thurmond as a racist. You continuously ignore that for decades Mr. Thurmond was a democrat and had to renounced racism and the KKK in order to get into the Republican Party and during his time as a republican senator he never once supported any form of racism. His racist past was only important too liberals and the democrats after he left the democrat party. Senator Byrd was a high ranking member of the KKK and we have yet to hear how racist he is or was, we really don’t know because he has not renounced racism or the things he did while being a recruiter for the KKK when they still had power which was long after Senator Thurmond had left the democrats.

For King Bee...without digging to far back in the DNC's dirty racial laundry pile (we all know that anyone that can read, knows, or should know, about the Republican/Democrat "disagreement" on race from 1861 -1865), here are a few tidbits.

In his 1960 “State of the Union” address, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower called for a new civil rights law to enforce voting rights for minorities. This bill established a system of federally appointed election monitors, and made it a crime to defy school desegregation orders from federal courts. It was passed by Congress and signed into law by Eisenhower over the objections of Democrats who conducted one of the longest filibusters in the history of the Senate in an attempt to stop the bill.

In 1964, a civil rights bill was passed by Congress and signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson. The law provided for enforcement of the "constitutional right to vote," and made it unlawful to for employers to discriminate based upon race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

69% of Democrats in the Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. 82% of Republicans in the Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

63% of Democrats in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it was signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson. 79% of Republicans in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

In February of 2000, Al Gore’s web site contained a written transcript and video of a speech that Gore made on the topic of civil rights. Gore's transcript reads:

R.D. Davis, a member of Project 21 (a black conservative organization), researched the voting records from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and found:

- Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

- Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation.

- Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. It was defeated by a vote of 74-25. 23 Democrats and 1 Republican voted for it.

Truly I am impressed with the DNC. They managed over the years to re-direct their own flaw, on their opponent and convince half the population, including the many of the victims, that their liberators are the bad guys, while feeding them crumbs and keeping them blind. Bravo! Well done.

Kingbee -

That is just pathetic rationalization & projection.  Why is it the facts no longer matter, only the skin color of those who disagree with each other?  We're supposed to make a big deal of 'addison graves wilson's' past associations, allegedly proving he's a racist, but blythely ignore Barack Obama's past associations as having had no effect on him whatsoever.  Much as I enjoy your wit, you are a true hypocrite.

here's one additional simple fact to consider: wilson voted for bush's medicare drug benefit bill containing funding providing health care to illegals living in the us.  so what really is the source of his outrage over a bill without such a provision?

except, of course, a lil thing he was specifically recruited to devise called 'the southern strategy.' 

eisenhower also attempted to sway earl warren's vote on brown vs bd of education, explaining to the chief justice segregations weren't bad people...they just didn't want their daughters sharing classrooms with big black bucks.

You do know that the “Sothern Strategy was to shift support from Nixon to Reagan and when the heads were counted they were short support nations wide and went back to supporting Nixon. Reagan was the conservative between the two. Conservative republicans wanted Reagan not Nixon.

I don’t get your point. Should he have used the N word? Back in those days that was being a moderate. Unless you have some context to go with the statement it sounds like he was explaining the facts of life in the way the segregationists’ viewed it.

where have i done that? 

it's mutual altho i'll cop to taking it even further and relishing yours.

only--at least in this regard--if i were, in fact, making "a big deal of 'addison graves wilson's' past associations, allegedly proving he's a racist..." only to then turn around and "blythely ignore Barack Obama's past associations as having had no effect on him whatsoever".  as noted above, i've done nothing of the sort.

a. i'm unsure as to whom or what deserves credit--his family, a cell of crypto-marxists, an angry black preacher, one of them indonesian masadas or mosques, maybe even domestic shriner mummers (all them muslim things begin with 'm' huh?), creeping socialists, ex-weathermen, chicago alderpersons or the kenyans who gathered at the manger on that blessed night he was born--we've yet to see obama engage in anything but civil discourse and debate and i sincerely doubt we'll ever witness our president showin his ass (whatta great ol southern expression) ala the honorable representative addison graves 'joe' wilson.