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Show of hands, who thinks Canada needs a bigger and better military. Americans can't vote, your military has already screwed the world over enough times, including Canada ( cough, cough Avro Arrow) So, besides those greedy bas***ds, who thinks Canada needs a bigger military.
You people again. However you want to spin it, you really can't cover up the US military's looooong (150 years +) record of lying, torturing, and just plain being a bully. The individual people inside are not necessarily involved in any given impropriety (more true with the official draft than with the "economic draft" we deal with today, but still a pretty varied group of people), but the entire institution neads a serious dose of accountabiliy and good ol' fashioned common sense.
A worldwar would be quite a mess, thats pretty clear since 1962 and the Cubacrisis.
That being said in these days war for profit is quite common.
Well, it all comes down who has nukes or is in a defence pact with nukes and who is not and what resources there are.
Middle east, Kongo anyone?
Why do you think Iran wants nukes? To attack the USA? Do you really belive that?
Or COULD it be they want nukes to be SAVEGUARDED against random US attacks? What do you think?
What was the reason for allowing russian nukes on cubanic soil in 1962 in the first place? Was it perhaps the failed US invasion of 1961?
No, CURRENTLY nobody is crazy enough to start a worldwar. But everything without nukes is free game. Ask people living in Kuwait. Good thing they had something to offer to get help from the USA. What do you think they offered? Carpets?
Jack Shirak said once he would "consider using nukes to ensure the strategic supply of the west". What do you think he talked about? Croissants?
No, gentelmen.
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Unfortunately, a world war is probably exactly what it will take to stop the whole U.S.-Israel complex. We just got done invading two sovereign countries and installing puppet regimes. Right now the world war is a war of information and spin-control, but if it keeps going this way eventually countries are going to go to each other and say, "Look, if we are to put this to a stop, we're going to have to band together". And there's your world war. If you can win the information war, you'll avoid the hot war.
You CAN NOT stop countries having an arsenal of ICBMs. The only thing you can do is piss them off enough to use those ICBMs. Don't go there. Its a pretty radiant future.
I councour with MRDread that nuclear technology is eventually going to speread across the world in fairly short order. However, countermeasures are going to advance just as quickly...... and the demoralizing/devastating effects of a solid nuking would pretty much force surrender, if not the official leader-comes-in-and-signs-his-name kind then the people-throw-him-out-or-just-stop-listening-to-him-to-make-the-bombing-stop kind.
It IS already widespread. Contermesures... against missiles? Difficult. Especially considering russian MIRV capability. I recommend reading this: http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
Or some of those. A lot of those.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2qaTfT8QY
haha, US-Israel complex. Keep blaming america for all your problems. I love that people need a bad guy so they point at the ones on top. Afganistan wasnt wrongly invaded. They refused to give up a terrorist. And obviously you didnt pay attention to what was goin on over there. No one in the world considered the Taliban a legitimate government. Not even their neighbors thats why no one ran to their defense. Or even object to it til long afterwards. The atrocities the Taliban have committed and continue to commit against the people of Afghanistan is exactly why the US gave them an asskicking. Iraq was a mistake, but dont even try to lump both countries into the same basket. We had every reason to put the taliban down. Murdering women over showing their faces in public. Or reading a book.
I want you to prove that America has used these wars for profit. Because our recession is a BIG BLARING SIGN that those wars TAXED US not GAVE US A PROFIT.
Also I want you to name 1 World Power from Europe that somehow didnt use their Military for ill will in some manner. I bet you cant. France, Spain, Great Britian, Germany etc etc all have a dark and light side to their Military History. This isnt the 1800s 1700s or so on. To sit here and hold the current Military that is totally restructed compared to the past is retarded. The Current US Military isnt in the practice of shooting babies (which if you truely understood why things like that happened or even faced with it yourself you might realize no one thats done it felt good about doing it) or mass murdering civilians just because.
Allegiance, your tinfoil hat's slipping........ as anyone who has ever answered an email from a Nigerian dignitary can tell you, things that are supposed to make people rich don't always do it..... and besides, a lot of people have gotten richer: Blackwater or Xe or whatever their next rebranding will be, Halliburton/KBR and their ilk, and, of course, the Pentagon, sitting on a nice cushy defense budget while the third world starves to death.
And finally, it's one thing to be put into a situation where you have to do terrible things or get shot/incarcerated/defamed and slandered/all of the above... it's another thing entirely to then go around and thank the people who stuck you in that situation, or to willingly put yourself in that situation...
Just after WW2, America believed that they were destined to lead the fight globally for democracy. They went to Korea, they went to Vietnam, they went to Afghanistan to free the people and fight terriosm and finally Iraq. In every one of their campaigns they failed miserably, and for some reason they still believe that they help make a world a better place? Like hell they do.
America should sit back, and let the world deal with their problems because America makes it much worse for themselves and others. Since Britain, America and many other countries in the EU went to war, there countries are now being threatened and even being bombed worse then ever before, and all because on the war on terror. I am sick and tired of Britain and many of UN states being drawn into war because Americans wanting to ‘fight for democracy or war on terror’ its bullshit, our freedom has suffered, racism and violence towards Muslims and other Asians has GOT MUCH WORSE! And white people actually fear Muslims more than before, because they think there or ALL of us are terrorists.
I aint Muslim, I am a Sikh, and I seen the racially hatred and violence increase because of this war. I remember hearing off my dad just after 9/11 that 6 Sikh guys were murdered brutally because American white folk thought they were terrorists.
The war on terror I believe could have been fought a better way, for example, teaching Muslims and other religions that extremism isn’t needed in our society, and this could have been done through schools, educational centres, religious centres etc. Teaching the youth now, is the right thing to do.
BUT NO! America wanted to invade, that the answer to everything but they did one major mistake, the worst mistake any country can do, is to be misrepresented as an invading army, and of course, an Christian army trying to invade a Muslim nation. Do crusades come to mind?
You guys have to think of one thing, what did America do to the Taliban and alkdea for 9/11 to happen?
And please guys, don’t give me bullshit about if it werent for amercians, the whole world will fall apart, because most countries in the world hate your govenment (I don’t ), Russia, China, Korea, Iran etc.
One day Amercia will lose its superpower status, and when that happens, Amercia will stop becoming like the new British Empire, and become a country which we will love and respect.
Korea asked us for help, Vietnam asked us for help. Stop trying to twist facts to prop up your weak arguements. Americas no angel. But neither is anyone else. Get off your high horses and realize theres actual countries out there doing harm to this world. America might not always get it right but were not out to destroy it.
S. Korea is still free. Guess we were successful despite your point of view. Vietnam might not be considered a win from a political view. But strategically we dragged the Viet Cong through the mud. But thanks to anti war sentiment and a few bad apples within the military it became increasingly hard for the US Military to do its job without having politics increasingly effect the Militaries targets and its capabilitis.
Guess you werent paying attention to the first Gulf War...We kicked Iraqs military out of Kuwait which was the mission. Guess you havent payed attention to anything but the news reports about Iraq in the recent war. The insurgency has trickled into drops instead of the flood it was back in 2004. The Iraqi Government is now in control. And American Troops are now in support of the Iraqi Military. I was there for the official handover between US Troops in the lead to Iraqi Troops. Its not perfection but anyone expecting it are just fools. And anyone who doesnt have the full picture are lying to themselves about whats going on.
Funny you say America should sit back. Everytime America sits back it gets its ass chewed by the World for not getting involved. But when America does get involved those same Countries bitches about it doing the opposite. Guess you can never please those looking for something to be angry about.
Blaming Americans as a whole for the actions of the VERY few is not legitimizing your arguement only proving how your twisting reality into this very flawed arguement.
Teaching the muslims not to accept extremism? You obviously dont know any Muslims. Extremists are less then 1% of the total Muslim population. That means they dont accept them or believe what they believe. The reality is they fear them. Just like people fear Gangsters. The Gangsters might not outnumber the people they terrorize. But the extent they are willing to go to strikes fear in the hearts of the majority. Wake up and realize that most Muslims believe in peace. "Teaching" them will only push the majority to look to those extremists to get rid of the Infidels looking to brainwash the Muslim population.
Wheres this Christian Army? because the last I checked Muslims are members of our Military and have fought alongside of "Christians" in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still manipulating the truth.
Yes the old age America had this coming arguement. Should of expected this one.
1st. American/Chinese/British/French/German etc etc Citizens were in the WTC's when those planes came barrelling down. So in reality Al Qaeda declared war on the World not just America. They targeted (purposely aiming to inflict harm on people not involved or related to any physical conflict...A big difference from Civilians being killed during fighting between American Troops and Insurgents { who just happen to use the civilians as shields and to blend in with}) Civilians. How that can be twisted to be okay when people criticize American Troops when Civilians die accidently is beyond me. But I guess the reality is America is bigger and more powerful so they should ALWAYS be the bad guy no matter who they face.
2nd. The Taliban werent even considered a Soviergn Government before 9/11. Funny how people seem to forget that, only 8 short years after all of this went down. But I guess the reality is people will believe what they want and remember what they want when they want their view to be heard. The Taliban were commiting atrocities against mankind. Hacking fingers/hands/ and heads off for the most minor of crimes. Including women showing their faces in public. But go ahead and defend these monsters. It shows how you really dont give a shit about the greater good, but only flinging as much mud as you can.
3rd. Al Qaeda are no freedom fighters nor is the Taliban. The idea behind Freedom Fighting is that those doing the fighting are looking to bring Freedom to an oppressed group. Considering how both groups treat people when they are incontrol. They are in no fashion fighting to free their people of any oppression. Only looking to further oppress them through extreme views on a religion that preaches peace.
Guess your question about what America deserves falls apart when you finally take a good look at why Al Qaeda are out to topple America. They feel responsible for the down fall of Russia (even if its not the complete story) and its given them an ego. And on the flipside, they are as oppressive as the Taliban in their views of their religion. And only wish to spread their views to the rest of the world through terror.
If you didnt hate the US you wouldnt manipulate whats happened and try to create this image that America (the people of America not its Government) deserve the terrorism that threaten it everyday.
Im as big a critic of my country as anyone else. I dont think your truely a Patriot until you can see both the good and the bad your country has done and continues to do. And I will fully admit Americas shortcomings when someone legitimately brings it up. But only when its not twisted and manipulated beyond what it is. Before WW1 yes America wasnt a boyscout but in the last 100 years America has come a long way. And while its still making mistakes. Its in no way the America the world came to know in its first 100 years of existance.
America regularly holds its hands out to those who we know will turn around and stab us in that hand once they are back on their feet. Which to me is Americas biggest flaw. We try to help all too often knowing we wont be helped in return. You can all bitch and moan and cry about why America is the big bad wolf. But in reality, America is no different then any other country in this World. And is no wheres near the bad guy its made out to be. All the arguements people are making can be made about 99% of the countries of this planet. Only reason America is taking the flak right now is because its on top. Always easier to point the finger at the guy on top then to admit your own countries short comings and realize that America is only doing what everyone else is doing. Looking out for itself for the most part.
Thats the way the World is. Every man for himself. Even when theres a crisis like the earthquake in Haiti. While individuals feel for Haiti. The Governments themselves are grasping for cool points.
Allegiance I did not say I hated Amercia, all I was saying is that WAR DOESNT SOLVE EVERYTHING!
The fact is Amercia has made it much worser for the world, and by dragging everone into 'its' war has made everone a target for bombing. Ill come back and coment about your arguments very soon, just busy at the moment.
America isnt in the practice of being at war all the time. Fact is, every country goes to war. But like I posted before the US is on TOP so everything the US does. People pay attention to. So everyone and their grandma is going to criticize the US instead of paying attention to their own problems.
No offense, but how has America made things worse for this world? You cant answer that can you? Cause it only sounded cool to say and actually had no ground to stand on. Heres a fact, the world would definitely be a different place without the US but WE CANT EVEN PRETEND TO IMAGINE IF IT WOULD BE BETTER OR WORSE. Why? Because theres a million and one possiblilities. This is just a halfbaked opinion anyway. You purposely ignore the good the US does and over analyze the bad it does.
If were so bad...Why do we feed the majority of poverty stricken countries in the world. Bet you ignored the fact that 90% of the rice and other foods sent to poverty stricken countries come from the US.
Like I said before, the US has done its damage, but its also done its best to make up for it. And thats what should truely count when you start judging countries based on their actions. If your going to be biased and make general statements without weighing both good and bad and just focus on the bad. Then of course a country will look like its Satans Playground. Personally I cant stand my countries Political climate right now. Its in shambles and is not helping itself or the country.
And seriously, drop the America deserved to be attacked by terrorists spew. They arent fighting for freedom. If you actually took the time to research Al Qaeda or the Taliban, youd think twice about saying what theyve done in the past and continue to do is in anyway an attempt to free themselves from the US. They constantly commit crimes against humanity.
While I was in this one AO in Iraq, A local village had outted Al Qaeda after accepting them into their village and turned to the US to keep Al Qaeda out. What happened to cause these people to turn away from Al Qaeda?
When the US originally invaded, they ignored this area. It was nothing but farms and canals. In no way a strategic location. In the immediate aftermath of the war. The villagers were fearful of the US and worried about money as the war and the continuing fighting made it hard to make money. So they turned to Al Qaeda as they seemed to be a light in the midst of darkness. But almost immediately, Al Qaeda began implementing harsh rules and extreme religious rights over the village. They would take villagers daughters who were only 15-16 years old and marrying them off to complete strangers (believe it or not, Iraqis dont like to marry their daughters off to much older men or to men they do not know of, they want their daughters to be in a safe home and for the man to be relatively close to her age as she most likely wont be abused) as well ordering young boys sometimes 13-14 to commit acts against the US in either suicide bombings or just taking the risk of placing the IEDs. If anyone resisted them and their ideas. They were beheaded infront of everyone. Eventually the villagers had had enough and ousted Al Qaeda when the US was able to spread out more and into this area they turned to us finally realizing the US wasnt what Al Qaeda made us out to be.
In the years following this, the US empowered the locals by hiring them to guard their own communities, build schools and fix the roads so that they could travel easier. Modernized power and water treatment plants. Aided local clinics with supplies that before were more then likely to turn people away then help them. Organized their military to be better trained then they had been under Saddam. More organized and better equiped and prepared. Organized the Police to think for themselves and act on their own accord. And eventually stabalized areas that were deeply under the influence of Terrorist groups once people began to turn away from them. Assisted in linking the local populations to their politicians by giving them the ability to actually interact instead of voting out of fear.
Yes there were incidents where US Troops didnt perform admirably. But they dont represent the majority to me. Just like those that chose to aid Al Qaeda because they didnt like the US didnt represent Iraq as a whole to me when I was there.
You and everyone else can continue complaining and making broad statements that have no merit. But it means nothing when you have no facts, or even proof to back up your claims.
I'll continue the account of America's involvement in Afghanistan.
The CIA and the US military were winning. There were no successful attacks on US soil and the people were rallying to the US.
Then, things changed. American soldiers often said that insurgents are much more highly trained now then they were a few years ago. Some American soldiers said that fighting the militants was "like fighting the marines." Al Qaeda retook parts of Afghanistan. Obama decided that eradication was impractical and turned to containment. Currently, US policy dictates that the Taliban will be allowed to control the parts of Afghanistan that they already own. Obama even allowed the option of nagotiation with the Taliban should remain open. Most fighters are just doing it for the money anyway.
Over the past 2 years, the number of US wartime veterans commiting suicide increased by 26%. The Afghan government was as weak as a kitten and had a poorly motivated military. It was discovered that the Taliban was not getting money from drugs. Disturbingly, the Taliban was getting funding mostly from aid money from developed countries.It is also believed that money intended to rebuild Afghanistan is also getting in the Taliban's hands.
Then, the US received a shock. Seven CIA veterans were killed by a trusted Jordanian who turned out to be a double-agent. Now the US could no longer trust its intelligence sources. This was the greatest disaster that the CIA has ever suffered. Many other CIA agents have already been assassinated thanks to the information leaked by this double-agent.
Then there was a foiled Christmas day bombing that was linked to Al Qaeda in Yemen. However, Yemen was stuck in a three-way civil war so Yemen couldn't help.
A certain Muslim cleric, al-Awlaki was believe by the Americans to be a potential ally. He understood the West and could speak to young western Muslims in their terms. The US thought he was harmless. However, he has converted many American Muslims to extremism thanks to his great charisma. The man responsible for the massacre at Fort Hood regularly listened to his sermons. Now he is hiding and America wants him dead. He has been called the "The Bin Laden of the internet".
Lately, the US seems to moving in the right direction.
I think this topic should just end.
Make fun of the Canadian military all you want, just wait till we leave you in Afganistan.
Personally I have nothing against my countries allies. I served alongside Japanese troops, British, Austrialian, and Indian troops. They all bust their asses doing what their country tells them to do.
I always love to read the ramblings of brainwashed kids who have never been in the US military, never know how they are, and obviously have never picked up a history book and read about America (Much less their own nation) and yet spew hatred due to all of the liberal crap they read.
And maybe if people didn't want to argue about the US military certain OPs shouldn't be bashing them in their title...
Yep. Whenever there is a humanitarian crisis on the scene, who is the first one there, and who is providing the most aid? The United States of America is. How much aid is coming to Haiti from Britain or France?
Even when America is suffering from a recession that mirrors the depression were there spending millions to put that country back together.
And even when the concentration should be on Haiti, France is bitching because America is doing more.
WAAAAHHHHH, MOMMY (U.N.) MAKE EM STOP! THEYRE (U.S.) DOING MORE THEN ME (FRANCE) ! ! ! ! ! ITS UNFAIR!
America isnt the only country with domestic issues, Everyone including China of all countries are sending aid. Funny how in a time when countries should be setting aside their differences and rendering aid to other nations. People like you are still bitching about how much more America is doing when its hurting so bad domestically.
And everyone wants to criticize what Americas doing with itself when they have their own damn problems they should take care of first before trying to tell America how it should be.
There's never a bad time for ignorant people to bash Americans!
Right now, Oliver Stone, with the same kind of nonsense, is making a documentary on Hitler and Stalin, showing their 'good side':
http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-history-america.html
The man then goes on to say:
There ya go! Hitler and Stalin were good men really, who could've easily been assassinated, but those big bad AMERICAN companies were what cause Nazi Germany to rise!
It wasn't like, Hitler ever tried to take over Germany after World War 1... Or even ever attack Germany...
Exactly who said there werent domestic issues else where? Before you try to call me out on somethig at least wait to I say it. I can critize america because I lived here and was born in America. I see more stuff being done on the outside of the country the on the inside. Oh wow we are getting guns outlawed; ok nice to know we can take apart our own bill of rights, but that is not going to stop street violence or crime. The economy is in a recession; what you mean the recession tht is founding some military operations over seas?
Also what happened to Hatia was a diaster, but other nations don't care. They just want to be the first over there to make their own nation look good.
A lot of the Haiti stuff has to do with the fact that we're pretty much the only first-world country anywhere near them. But we're still kicking out Hatian refugees who want to stay here.\
The thing that annoys me the most about the American military is its complete inability to handle criticism. If you so much as mention Guantanimo bay or civillian casualtes, you get harassed as some kind of PETA lunatic. I get that a military is necessary, but I just don't see the sense in perpetuating an organization that not only abuses its own people and anyhone nearby, but also demands that they get down on their knees and thank it.
I...I don't quite know how to respond to that.
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