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Diplomacy addon why???

Diplomacy addon why???

Brad,

 

While I do love Sins and it’s a great game, why are we being given an add-on to make alliances? This has got to be the stupidest add-on you all have decided to make and one of the dumbest directions the game has gone in.  If I wanted to make an alliance with the AI I would have done that from the start of the game when I created it.

 

 Let’s face it Sins is about conquering, and having an option to make an alliance is just not needed in this game. There is no Single Player game so why bother with this Add-on when you all should have been working on adding a new more powerful bad ass race to fight against.  I hate to sound ungrateful that you all are still making add-on and patching the game but I just don’t see the sense of this new add-on.  Unless you are adding new ships or ability for weapons this new add-on is a complete and utter waste of time. 

 

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Reply #101 Top

this massive 158 star/1173 planet map
I thought my 250-planet 3-stars are unplayably huge o.O

Reply #102 Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 101

this massive 158 star/1173 planet mapI thought my 250-planet 3-stars are unplayably huge

i love to mention this map when people talk about big maps... its just like: yep, whip em out boys... on the table, you know... =P

you want it? its pretty crazy...

Reply #103 Top

i bet it is.

Reply #104 Top

i meant do you want me to send it to you...

(Thread highjackers FTW =P)

Reply #105 Top

What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?

No thanks dude ;p

Reply #106 Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 105
What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?

Sounds more like a prison sentence than a sins map

Reply #107 Top

Quoting CaptainAanderson, reply 106



Quoting N3rull,
reply 105
What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?



Sounds more like a prison sentence than a sins map

I beg to differ.

Reply #108 Top

Quoting -Ue_Carbon, reply 107



Quoting CaptainAanderson,
reply 106



Quoting N3rull,
reply 105
What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?



Sounds more like a prison sentence than a sins map



I beg to differ.

Let me guess, you've played that map for a klondike bar? ;P

Reply #109 Top

Quoting CaptainAanderson, reply 108



Quoting -Ue_Carbon,
reply 107



Quoting CaptainAanderson,
reply 106



Quoting N3rull,
reply 105
What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?



Sounds more like a prison sentence than a sins map



I beg to differ.



Let me guess, you've played that map for a klondike bar?

haha love those commercials.

Reply #110 Top

the green writing hurts my eyes cant read it but sounds like a bash towards the new upcoming addon give it a chance to be finished  also like the last addon it adds a new level of game play and dimision

Reply #111 Top

Quoting CaptainAanderson, reply 108



Quoting -Ue_Carbon,
reply 107



Quoting CaptainAanderson,
reply 106



Quoting N3rull,
reply 105
What's the estimated play time for this map? 500 years?



Sounds more like a prison sentence than a sins map



I beg to differ.



Let me guess, you've played that map for a klondike bar?

wait, i could've gotten a klondike bar?!?!? =P

Reply #112 Top

I don't get people like you

He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse

Reply #113 Top

Quoting Erictred1, reply 112

I don't get people like you


He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse

thats hilarious, given the rant he just had about the Vasari Phase Gates being broken and the Vasari being nerfed in general...

Reply #114 Top

Quoting TheRezonator, reply 113



Quoting Erictred1,
reply 112

I don't get people like you


He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse



thats hilarious, given the rant he just had about the Vasari Phase Gates being broken and the Vasari being nerfed in general...

which due to his crudiness and lack of civility, which he is starting to show again,  got lockdown.:rofl:

Reply #115 Top

Quoting Erictred1, reply 112

I don't get people like you


He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse

please don't reappear. Your thread got locked and shut down because of your rudeness. Please go away and disappear.

Reply #116 Top

Quoting Erictred1, reply 112

I don't get people like you


He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse

 

No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!  You silly English kanigget!!!!!

Reply #117 Top

Quoting Ryat, reply 114



Quoting TheRezonator,
reply 113



Quoting Erictred1,
reply 112

I don't get people like you


He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse



thats hilarious, given the rant he just had about the Vasari Phase Gates being broken and the Vasari being nerfed in general...



which due to his crudiness and lack of civility, which he is starting to show again,  got lockdown.

what the hell are we talking about?

Reply #119 Top

hey, Craig, can you please tell your brother (I think?) Blair to check his PMs? I sent him one but I have yet to receive an answer back.

Reply #121 Top

Craig, thank you for alerting Blair of my PM.

Reply #123 Top

Quoting Darksxx, reply 60
So far Ill Ive heard out of most of you is why diplomacy is good, but not one of you have said why its going to be good.  The old Turn based games like Master of Orion had diplomacy, not sure if even many of you even played that game.  but you could trade Tech with the AI and make alliances, but again that worked well because that game was built from the start with that type of gaming in mind.  Is that going to be the case with this new addon? I seriously doubt it, Ive modded this game and seen how the scripts work and ships gain their tech. So unless IC is going to do a full on revamping of the engine and rewrite the scripts I just dont see this happening. 

You all can bash me all you want about the viability of having Diplomacy but for the most part its not a valid option unless you can trade tech, or gain territory with the AI.  And you guys cant even agree or convince me that in MP games where is this or how is it going to work?  And nit pick all you want about the Single Player button being there, call it SP all you want but when you get right down to it its Skirmish.  For those of you that play by yourselves Diplomacy may work for you in this game if its done right.  Watch and see when it comes time for the reviews that this new addon will get trashed.  watch and see.

Just start thinking outside the box man.

 

Diplomacy can have very effective offensive uses in a purely human controlled multiplayer game.

 

i.e. Lets use the example of a standard 6 player game on a huge map. There are three players on each team. Say it's getting close to mid-game and u have concentrated on making your empire a diplomatic one. U make your midgame gambit and spend the resources to build, (I'm gonna make up a building) an embassy in enemy territory. In that system, even if it's controlled by an enemy player, his ships will not be able to target your ships as long as they make no hostile moves and you don't attack the enemy's empire directly. As long as you keep completing whatever NPC missions that planet's govt. asks of you and you keep their loyalty rating above a certain level you have diplomatic immunity in that system.

The benefits to your team are immediately obvious. Your trade ships can go more places without fear of being destroyed. You can move ships and materiel from one planet/system to another, even in enemy held territory. Allowing you to launch surprise attacks from anywhere you can negotiate your way into. once you decide you dont feel like playing nice anymore. So for example you clandestinely build embassies on 4 planets controlled by the enemy. Those planets are linked by phase lanes into the deep rear of the enemy's main border with your team's empires. This forces the enemy team to have to redeploy defensive structures to guard against a possible strike from anywhere along those worlds you have a non-aggression treaty in.

 

The possible options for multiplayer diplomacy are many. Just think outside the box a little and you'll see how things can be implemented to give the game more strategic depth with actual multiplayer consequences.

Reply #124 Top

He makes a great point, and I dont get people like you...dumbarse

I suspect making someone like you understand my post is waaaay beyond my abilities.  But then my post wasn't written for people like you.

Reply #125 Top

this Erictred1 guy is kinda annoying.  Trolls should live under bridges, not in forums.  What is the requirment for banishment?  anyone know?