I am pro choice

What do you have to say?

I was just talking about this subject the other day with my husband.  It seems as tho the only choice we will have is whether to kill our unborn or not.  All the other HC choices will be made by the government as they deem fit.  So while we can control our fallopian tubes...that's about it. 

I'm constantly shaking my head.  Nothing makes sense anymore.  I can decide to kill or not kill the unborn child in my uterus but I have no choice when it comes to putting my seatbelt on. 

It amazes me that many people who march and support the right to kill an unborn fetus are squeamish when it comes to capital punishment. If they thought of capital punishment (for horrendous murders) as a reto-active abortion our prisons would be a lot less crowded. But that is wishful thinking, unlike the unborn, many go out of their way to insure the nations resources and treasure make this poor, unfortunate, and in many cases repeat offending, criminals. 

Actually waiting lists are formed typically by a lack of a particular resource (in the case of healthcare it'll be medical staff such as doctors) meaning you have to wait to see them. Cases will be prioritised based on need (so if it's serious you'll wait less time than someone with a minor ailment). As for running out of money, the government funds UHC and they're able to run up ridiculous deficits and still raise more. They will determine (either directly or via some appointed body) what level of healthcare will be provided, and then they will provide the funds for that. If too much money is spent, they can either increase the amount of money provided for the future, or decrease the level of healthcare provided for the future.

You can still have this with UHC. There's nothing to say you can't have a private healthcare system running alongside UHC (and in fact it'd be recommended since it would take some of the strain off the UHC system)

Well, actually, you can't.

You are a Christian and therefor can't decide to kill the unborn. If I were married, we would have a similar problem in that our choice would be limited by Jewish law.

Abortion, no matter what the state says, is only open to those who have no previous obligations that make it impossible.

I am thinking that government (i.e. other people) paying for abortion might be a violence of the separation of church and state, since it pays for something only certain religions allow and hence cannot be used by everyone. It's like free ham provided by government to everyone. I couldn't make use of it.

Food stamps, of course, can be used to pay for ham. But everyone (theoretically) get the same amoung in food stamps. Non-Jews (and non-Muslims) do not get more food stamps to buy pork on top of what everybody else is getting. But people whose religions allow (or tolerate) abortion get extra money to pay for abortions.

And let's be clear: Abortions are not something scientists figured out has to be done to keep the general population alive. It's not about healing people in most cases. It's purely getting rid of an unborn child. But many people have survived children (although it can be difficult).

Partially true. At first it will be money to pay for it all, after that the doctors and nurses will leave because they can’t afford to live on what the government will determine they deserve to be paid. Then the government will put them on the payroll adding to the cost of health care If you remember Hillary care you will see that there are provisions in the house bill for staff allocation. Where there are not enough doctors they will just tell doctors to move. The cost factor is already a problem. Two years ago Medicare cut the reimbursement for heart imaging by 25%, last year they cut it by another 25%, and the 2010 budget cuts it another 60$ making it no longer cost effective to treat people since the cost of doing a cardiac scan will cost more money than the doctor will get paid. Everyone on Medicare will lose the ability to have heart imaging done and more people will die of heart disease. Only people with private insurance will still have this treatment. But since there will be fewer patients there will be less people trained to do nuclear medicine so we will run out of trained professionals. In Florida there are about 1000 cardiac specialists to serve our 18 million people. That number will drop because of this years budget cuts they will move out of state where there are better paying patients or go out of business. This is how the government solved part of the cost problem by bringing costs down. You see only sick people need this treatment so they cut the reimbursement to save money and put lives at risk. There are only a few million people on Medicare in comparison to the nation’s population. How will the government control costs when they take over health care for 300 million people? Though my children say I have no heart at times most living people have one and need it to work properly. Cut costs so sick people get less treatment. I would say heart disease is a high priority issue since you have stated that it is a big problem in the fat people thread I would assume you agree with me now. That prioritizing only works if you have the money to pay for it and a government willing to pay for it. We see in this case the government is treating us to a preview of what is to come, cutting cost is more important than treating the sick. The consequences are fewer people in nuclear medicine meaning to keep those people you have to pay more and the government willing to wreck the system to save money.

According to the house bill it will be illegal to have private insurance if anything changes in your policy. You have to go to the public option if you get married, divorced, have children, if your policy reduces its price, or raises its price. Sp even if costs go down you will have to leave your private insurance and go with the government plan. Insurance companies will have to stop providing that service because their will be no one to care for. Sure there will be private medical practices that will work outside the public system but as we have seen in all countries that have UHC only the rich can afford them. The poor will get the standard substandard care. The VA is another example some things are too expensive and the service person ends up paying for the whole thing out of pocket because the waiting list is too long. The military has doctors but they can’t do the surgery because it costs too much. As I have stated before I am a disabled vet, my heart was damaged when I was shot, on duty. I have not gone back to the VA since I could afford private doctors because I am not going to wait for them to kill me. My cancer is another issue, my current doctor says I have to wait 3 weeks because one of the doctors is on vacation; I am going to another doctor because I don’t want to wait. Will I still have that option under UHC? I seriously doubt it because of what I have seen with Medicare and the VA as examples.

This is why religion will be the next thing that the government will have to regulate. You must go along with the masses and to make everyone equal your religon will have to be put aside.

This is true Leauki but I was referring to the governmental laws not making any sense  saying I can abort if I wish (with the possibility of harm to the mother as well as child)  but have no choice when it comes to wearing my seatbelt.  In the back of my mind I remember the scripture that speaks of these last days "good will become evil and evil will become good." 

yep.  This is coming.  Notice what's happening in the Lutheran church right now?  They are the next group to ok active homosexual and lesbian clergy and it's causing another rift in yet another denomination. 

After a few more go down this path, it will be expected that we all need to get on board especially after it gets more and more accepted.   That's where the hate speech will fit nicely into this whole situation.  Any church not abiding will not only lose their tax free status but they may have to close their doors for insubordination after they arrest the Pastor for hate speech. 

A friend sent me this today and I thought it nailed things...

    Let me get this straight.

    Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he 

doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a 

president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, 

overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is 

nearly broke.

 What possibly could go wrong?

Now that is funny KFC, ever notice how often we have to joke about things we should be serious about?

Laughing to keep from crying, this is sad and frightining at the same time.

Politicians are serious about things that don't matter, while comedians joke about things that are serious.

The point is that we are being told we don't need a choice in healthcare but women need to have a choice to kill their children. Americans don't like to be told what they can and can't do.

I just wish Washington would stop controlling us and start governing us again.

You know that can't happen with what we have there in DC. We are dealing with liberals. Right and wrong don't matter, the law does not matter, only their ideology matters and their desire to run the lives of everyone who is not a liberal. The goal is fascism and nothing less.