What happens if global warming is wrong?

Well, up here it's still in full force my friend. Funny little things like this past summer the high arctic getting temperatures got up to over 70 degrees. Normally, the most they'll get up to during summer time is 45 degrees.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2009/08/06/ellesmere-hot-july.html

And, the Inuit will be the first to tell you about all the changes we're seeing that deviate from a normal cycle. And they've got a multi-generational history of the weather that's been passed down and goes back a lot longer than we've got records, so if they say things are going to shit, and scientists say things are going to shit, I'm obliged to believe them!

Right now I'm researching hydro-geological issues, specifically how to artificially re-charge aquifers in our nation using various engineering methods.

The reason it applies to your topic is because in all the literature (geological, engineering, management, social sciences) written in the last three years..."global warming" references became "climate change."

The thing is, the climate is changing.

It's ALWAYS changing.  It's SUPPOSED to change.  I don't understand why real scientists can't say, oops, we bought into bad theory and were wrong, now lets move on and start working on real issues, like polluting and depleting aquifers.

So, your point would be?

These scientists?

Fifty-nine additional scientists from around the world have been added to the U.S. Senate Minority Report of dissenting scientists, pushing the total to over 700 skeptical international scientists – a dramatic increase from the original 650 scientists featured in the initial December 11, 2008 release. The 59 additional scientists added to the 255-page Senate Minority report since the initial release 13 ½ weeks ago represents an average of over four skeptical scientists a week.  This updated report – which includes yet another former UN IPCC scientist – represents an additional 300 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial report’s release in December 2007. 

The over 700 dissenting scientists are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. The 59 additional scientists hail from all over the world, including Japan, Italy, UK, Czech Republic, Canada, Netherlands, the U.S. and many are affiliated with prestigious institutions including, NASA, U.S. Navy, U.S. Defense Department, Energy Department, U.S. Air Force, the Philosophical Society of Washington (the oldest scientific society in Washington), Princeton University, Tulane University, American University, Oregon State University, U.S. Naval Academy and EPA.  

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3

Oh yeah?

I got these scientists to say global warming is getting worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhvHB62ph8&NR=1

You can't be serious? There are 3 year drops in temperature all the time, but the overall trend is upwards. See this NASA graph: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

More info here.

I note that data even shows temperatures rose in 2007. Where are you getting your data?

What happens if global warming is wrong is that tons of people will have had heated debates over an issue for nothing, like so often in history. Other than that, what will happen if global cooling is wrong and global warming is right (human caused or not)? Will you eat your hat lol

heated DEBATE? you mean destruction of economy that has been ongoing for many years? bankrupting the USA, and ruining lives and livelihood of many citizens.

Well... global climate change advocates said that humans caused the earth to cool down with pollution and we need to shut down the industry in the 1970s... then the sun activity picked up and it started heating up, so suddenly humans were causing that with the same pollution and the solution was still destruction of industry... i think that they renamed it "climate change" from the previous "global cooling" and "global warming" names is an indication of where it is going... any climate change is man made in their minds, and must be combatted with more socialism and more shutting down of industry.

I read some articles.If the global temperature won't change,nothing will change,maybe.but if the earth is really going cooler and cooler,it will become more and more difficult to get some food and it lead to serious war.  I forgot the further infomation, so if you are interested in it, I would like to recommend you Kunihiko Takeda's books.

The economy seems to be doing pretty well again, all things considered, even despite the most recent global financial crisis. The USA is not bankrupt because of that.. don't you know that there is a war going on? It might have something to do with your huge national debt, which was around even before Obama was sworn in.

WOW.

This tends to speak well to your posed question "what happens if global warming is wrong?" The title of the video is so hyperbolic it isn't even worth arguing about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

The arguments are sound and logical though.

That's what the news are saying: the banks are making profit again, export in Germany is increasing again for example and  economic spokesmen here are cautiously optimistic that the worst is over. Doesn't really paint a bleak future for the next decade

[quote]You can't be serious? There are 3 year drops in temperature all the time, but the overall trend is upwards. See this NASA graph: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif[/quote]

You need to do more than look at graphs, you need learn something you missed in grade school. Our Sun is the source of most of the heat in our Solar System.

When the Sun expands our planet gets hotter. This has been documented since the 1960’s Venus, Earth, and Mars are all getting hotter at the same rate. Man is only on one of those planets, if Man was the cause of this warming why are the other planets getting hotter without man? Just so you know, the IPCC reports claim that man’s contribution to global warming amounts to 6/100 of one degree over the next 100 years. That is if you accept all of their flawed data that is skewed in favor of man being the sole cause of global warming. Look at our Moon for example, In sunlight the temp is 250 degrees in the shade the temp is minus 140, no SUV’s or coal fired power plants on the Moon. So yes, the world is getting hotter and will continue to get hotter with mini ice ages and dips in temperature because of the Sun. This has been known and documented for decades The global warming people still have not noticed this documentation but it is new just 40 years old and back then we were being told that the next ice age was just 20 years away. In fact in 1980 we were going to have ice 1000 feet thick in New York if we did not act immediately. I am sure you remember that ice age and now we are all going to die from global warming, according to Vice-president Gore we only have 9 years left before global warming will be irreversible. Do the research and you will find that this is a cycle, a documented cycle that has been know for about 20 years, we will get colder for a few decades and then it will get warmer. Each cycle has been milder cold and hotter warm cycles until the Earth is cooked.

You know, none of this really will change my belief on the enviroment; I'm still going to do everything I can to take care of it and lessen my impact. It's just what I feel is right.

~A

For that you are to be commended.

As for the AGW-theory-related crap like cap & trade tax, it needs a silver bullet in the heart.

AJ, I and no one I know is arguing against doing what is right and good for your local area. I remember when lake Michigan was so polluted that people joked and atheist can walk across it. Back in the 60’s and 70’s people did not understand the impact of pollution. Once it was understood people and local governments acted and began to clean up their local environment. We can pollute so much that we could wipe man off most of the planet. But that is about the extent of our power. People no longer as a group toss trash out their car window as they did in the 60’s What irks most people on my side of the isle is the myth that man is single handedly destroying the planet. Or that what we do is the cause of global warming. We are not that powerful and we have very little impact on the planet. On people yes, one the environment that we need to survive yes, so it is good that you do your part. Everyone does for the most part but the nuts on the environmental side want to take it several steps across the line of sanity to say that we need to stop all industry to save the planet. Kill the economy to save the environment.

Bet that took biting a bullet. Thanks for the kudos.

I'm not saying anyone is; I'm just simply stating that - despite the commotion over this and the science that goes every which way (unfortunately) - I'm firm in my belief.

Actually, I would have to disagree with your comment about our impact. I feel that we have much more of an impact - or capability for it at least - than we think, we just are not at the point where we realize that we can I would say.

Be well, ~Alderic

Then do me a favor, look up the H-bomb tests of the 50's and 60's. The biggest bombs and destruction man can toss around. Where it was used live came back within a few growing seasons, the fish are still around the Bikini islands, those test areas are still too dangerous for man but everything else is back to normal. We destroyed nothing of import other than one more place man can not live. Chernobyl is back to normal as far as plant and animal life other than it is unsafe for humans. The areas that are polluted by man has not killed off the wildlife although some animals have mutated or evolved due to our pollution but we have not hurt nature. Nature is not stopped by man; it is not even slowed down by man. As I wrote before, we can destroy man the rest of the planet will keep on humming and not even notice we are gone. Man has been trying to get rid of the flea, the mosquito, and the roach for 5 thousand years, add to that rats and other vermin and they are still around, There is not a race of humans that has not tried to destroy these pests yet they are not just surviving they are thriving. Coral is dying world wide for two reasons both of which have nothing to do with mankind. Not enough carbon in the oceans to feed them and the oceans are getting warmer because of the Sun. Our lack of pollution and their appetite has depleted their food supply (carbon) and the Suns expansion causing the water to get too warm for them. Man got the blame for killing off the coral 30 years ago but science has proven it was not us. We have so little impact on this planet that what little we have is laughable. Can we hurt a local area for a short time? Yes, but only a short time.

Not at all.  That's been my consistent position all along - individual choices to be 'green' are praiseworthy and even reasonable laws and regulations to improve air & water quality and to avoid needless environmental harm (at reasonable cost) are OK by me.

Same here.  My new house has geothermal heating, solar panels, and I use less than 2 gallons a gas a week.

But there's a big difference between individuals voluntarily doing something and having men with guns force them to do something.

I was actually teasing you about complimenting me, when you've - lately - been less than complimentary toward me.

Anyways, cool.

Very nice; one of my goals is to build my own self sustaining "green" house.

Who says anyone is going to force anyone with guns? Society, little by little, is already headed towards greener lifestyles.