Now we've really gone too far, Declaration of Indy banned

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I have just started a conversation topic on similar issues (see Lets start a conversation...), but now we really do seem to have gone off the deep end.

Link here: Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School
(Article from Reuters News Archives)
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
This seems almost too insane to be true.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
What next, the constitution?
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Reply #3 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #1 By: Citizen Texas Wahine - 11/24/2004 5:38:50 PM
This seems almost too insane to be true.


I'm glad you said almost.

It is truly insanity, but it's what we have come to, or are coming to, in an effort to erase religion out of our society.

I may as well give myself up here and admit, I'm not really a religious person myself. I may lean a bit towards diest (spelling?), in that I think there may have been some higher authority/power/entity that has guided life on this world, may have helped to create organisms and creatures that may have some how evolved into the creatures we are today, or may simply have created a man and a woman and left them to populate the world.

I am intelligent enough to say that I don't know, nor does anyone really know, if there is/was a God. It requires faith, acceptance, and more.

On the other hand, I have to believe that there is more than just the lifes we live, and further, I know that there were and are those that have believed in "God" for centuries. Even the last 200+ years of life in our country has allowed that, supported that (in ways), and acknowledge that. But, in the last 40 years (give or take), we have had an increasing attack by those that want to eradicate any of that acknowledgement of any higher authority.

It sickens me, and seeing news like the link above just makes me want to reach out and slap silly the idiots that are taking us down these paths, and really slap sense into the judges that have allowed these decisions, or worse yet, made them knowing what the results would be and where it would lead to.

I'd write more, but I am really sort of speechless now. I'm also perhaps a bit fearful that further mention of God would eventually lead to a pack of ACLU lawyers showing up to take me away for sensitivity training.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
diest


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I wish we lived in a society where logic was still taken into consideration.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wish we lived in a society where logic was still taken into consideration.


Not to mention common sense. Then again, how did it get that name when it's so rare?

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
They have absolutely gone off the deep end this time.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
What this points to is that there is a conflict between the desire of the state to provide education and the obligations of the state to ensure religious freedom. One simple solution, which is what occurs in ireland, is that the state pays the salaries for ALL teachers in the country irrespective of what schools they teach in. Both public (state run) and private schools have the teachers salaries paid for. This allows the state to avoid any complications with regard to religious material presented in state schools, as the state funds all religious schools as well and thus ensures religious freedom. Thus the state becomes responsible for ensuring that any student can attend a school which caters for their religious persuasion, NOT responsible for ensuring that every school removes religious items or documentation. It's then up to individual schools to set the religious outlook themselves, and that outlook becomes part of the ethos of that school. A simple solution to a complicated problem.

Paul.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

I sincerely hope that the U.S. Supreme Court takes up this issue and settles it once and for all, but I suspect that it will not happen soon (if ever) and unfortunately may not be done with a decision that renders enough clarity to really settle the issue at all.


i sincerely hope some reporters investigate this a lil bit further because all the information thats available online one day later seems to be based on the same press release.  until then yall can be horrified all you like (and it may well turn out that's jusftified but...) but i think it may be jumping the gun.

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

An easier solution would be for the schools to stop listening to the anti-Christian liberals who want to destroy any hint of religion in the nation and realize that separation of church and state doesn't mean remove all material made by anybody with a religious belief no matter its historical significance and forbid students from expressing their own religious beliefs (if we're going to arrest a student for mentioning God in a speech, then we might as well forbid the student from saying anything lest that really means the government is endorsing some evil plot to take over the world).

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

separation of church and state doesn't mean remove all material made by anybody with a religious belief no matter its historical significance


no sense holding back when blowing things outta proportion...just as easy to remove all materials made by anybody

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

no sense holding back when blowing things outta proportion...just as easy to remove all materials made by anybody


Can you set it straight for me then? How am I blowing things out of proportion when they are the banning the Declaration of Independence despite its historical significance because it was written by men with some religious beliefs? Is it not historically significant?

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
What I want to know is when are they going to change the swear in oath during trial? You know the one......

Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. "So help you God?"