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The War On Christians In The Middle East

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The War On Christians In The Middle East

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An Islamic court in Shiraz, Iran has just convicted two men of being infidels. Their crime? Converting to Christianity. The possible sentence? Death. Not too far away in Saudi Arabia, an outraged father recently hacked his own daughter to death for the same “abomination.”

In the daily drumbeat of Mideast news, there is one story of historic proportion that goes nearly unreported: the persecution and systematic destruction in the Islamic world of some of the world’s oldest Christian communities.

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Eckstein is founder and president of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/waronchristians.html

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

I agree. Just like Fred Phelps.
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yep

Reply #27 from Stardock Forums Top

Fred Phelps and others like him seem to be stuck too much on the Old Testament instead of the New.

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

Do you not believe that if radical Islam possessed the means to wipe America and Israel from the map they would do so?

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I also believe that if the secular PLO possessed the means to wipe America and Israel from the map they would do so.

And I don't want to repeat what I already wrote about religion and violence Just re-read my earlier comments.

 

Most likely they weren't Christians.  If they were, then they were very very bad Christians.  They weren't following their leader, who was peaceful and taught us to be as well.  They were doing their own thing.  Can't help the fact that some call  themselves Christians giving Christianity a bad name. 

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Exactly.

The violence they committed they committed for themselves, not for G-d or Jesus. The same type of people will find any excuse for violence.

 

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

Fred Phelps and others like him seem to be stuck too much on the Old Testament instead of the New.

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"Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi Germany... just as they now dominate this doomed U.S.A... The Jews now wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by a divine judicial stroke... And God has smitten Jews with a certain unique madness, whereby they are an astonishment of heart, a proverb, and a byword (the butt of jokes and ridicule) among all peoples whither the Lord has driven and scattered them... Jews, thus perverted, out of all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite agenda... The American Jews are the real Nazis (misusers and abusers of governmental power) who hate God and the rule of law."

Yeah, really stuck too much on the Old Testament.

 

 

Reply #30 from Stardock Forums Top

"Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi Germany... just as they now dominate this doomed U.S.A... The Jews now wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by a divine judicial stroke... And God has smitten Jews with a certain unique madness, whereby they are an astonishment of heart, a proverb, and a byword (the butt of jokes and ridicule) among all peoples whither the Lord has driven and scattered them... Jews, thus perverted, out of all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite agenda... The American Jews are the real Nazis (misusers and abusers of governmental power) who hate God and the rule of law." Yeah, really stuck too much on the Old Testament.
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Why do you believe anything he says?

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yeah, really stuck too much on the Old Testament.
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I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period! 

Basically they make up their own rules and play by them as well.  Their playbook doesn't even remotely sound like the playbook I read. 

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

At what point did I imply in any way that secularists or atheists are the primary cause of evil BEFORE you and "infidel" brought up the theory that religion is the culprit?

My article points the finger solely at self-proclaimed followers of a religion, it had nothing to do with secularists or atheists.

Then you and "infidel" brought up the idea that "religion" is to be blamed.

I tried to keep the focus on the victims, the Christians, by pointing out that they are victims both in the Islamic world as they are in secular societies. That's why I mentioned China.

This article was not about Islam, not about China, not about religion or secularism being more evil, it was SOLELY and ONLY about persecuted Christians, who are persecuted for their religion. I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.

I quoted the part about Iran and Saudi-Arabia because they persecute Christians, NOT because they are Muslim countries. I could have made the same point if the story was set in China and I knew more about China.

Some countries persecute Christians because they are Christians, and those countries are secular or religious. The common theme is the persecution of Christians.
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Leauki, you're being frigging thick.

 

That does seem to be the most notable and consistant, but it can be anything.
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The first bolded word means that it looks like it is so, but I conceded I could be wrong.

 

The second bold, is a statement of what I've observed. Your own points shows that religious driven terror does exist, which was part of my point.

 

The third bold implies that, while the first statement stands...it doesn't make the point behind it (that people are evil or whatever for reason x) exclusive.

 

Any other clarification needed? I guess I should also mention that the comment was directed back at Infidel, but whatever. To each their own.

 

Be well, ~Alderic

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why do you believe anything he says?

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Why do you eat whale flesh with cream?

 

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period! 

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Yes, of course he isn't using the Bible.

 

Basically they make up their own rules and play by them as well.  Their playbook doesn't even remotely sound like the playbook I read. 

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I just didn't want to let it stand that Phelps is the way he is because he used only the Christian Old Testament (i.e. the Hebrew Bible) as opposed to the entire Christian Bible.

Neither Judaism nor Christianity condone his behaviour in any way or form.

 

Reply #35 from Stardock Forums Top

Why do you eat whale flesh with cream?
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What?

I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!  

Yes, of course he isn't using the Bible.

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Yeah, right. As if he doesn't use the verse in the OT that says homosexuality is an abomination?

Neither Judaism nor Christianity condone his behaviour in any way or form.
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I never said they do. You ARE being thick.

 

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Leauki, reply 33
Why do you believe anything he says?Why do you eat whale flesh with cream? 
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Hah. That's awesome. Leauki, I'm stealing that for the next time someone asks me a loaded question.

(By the way, Infidel, that link is for you, since you seem to be a little confused)

Quoting AldericJourdain,
Who said I was implying that religion is evil? I was pointing out that it's foolish and naive/ignorant to say that secularists/atheists are the primary cause of evil or what not. Which, is what I infered was being implied.
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Ah, that particular line was more directed at Infidel. I'd also like to say that it was meant to be humourous exaggeration, but the more I read his stuff the more I think he does equate religion with evil, so I don't really know anymore.

Reply #37 from Stardock Forums Top

(By the way, Infidel, that link is for you, since you seem to be a little confused
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No, you're confused. Why is Leauki using lies to try to prove I'm wrong? That is monumentally stupid.

Reply #38 from Stardock Forums Top

I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.
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Excuse me for not being a mind reader.

I'm starting to think you're just trying to get more points.

Reply #39 from Stardock Forums Top

the more I read his stuff the more I think he does equate religion with evil
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Religion can and has been used to justify evil.

Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why is Leauki using lies to try to prove I'm wrong?

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I am beginning to wonder. Are you a professional asker of loaded questions?

 

Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top

Excuse me for not being a mind reader.

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Some others seem to have understood it.

 

Reply #42 from Stardock Forums Top

I am beginning to wonder. Are you a professional asker of loaded questions?
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Why did you try to use Phelps' own lies to prove I'm wrong about Phelps?

Some others seem to have understood it.
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Where in the body of the article did you make this clear?

I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.
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Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why did you try to use Phelps' own lies to prove I'm wrong about Phelps?

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I would think that it is obvious that Phelp's speach about Jews makes it clear that he is not a follower of the "Old Testament" either.

 

Where in the body of the article did you make this clear?

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I also didn't make it clear, specifically, that the article wasn't about the colour of frogs. Yet nobody assumed that it might have been.

 

 

Reply #44 from Stardock Forums Top

I would think that it is obvious that Phelp's speach about Jews makes it clear that he is not a follower of the "Old Testament" either.
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I didn't mean to imply that. Only that he (as do a lot of people) twists, perverts and misinterprets selected parts of the Bible to justify his beliefs.

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

I didn't mean to imply that. Only that he (as do a lot of people) twists, perverts and misinterprets selected parts of the Bible to justify his beliefs.

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So why did you say, not imply, that Phelps seems "to be stuck too much on the Old Testament instead of the New"?

Did you not realise that saying that would offend Christians (who do not believe that the "Old Testament" promoted hatred) and Jews (who do not believe in a "New Testament" and would obviously not like to be told that a self-declared Christian fundamentalist like Phelps is like he is because he focuses on the part of the Bible Jews regard as holy rather than the "New Testament")?

The anti-Semite Phelps obviously doesn't use the "Old Testamant" for anything and certainly not "instead of the New". If he did he wouldn't claim that Jews "hate God and the rule of law".

KFC's explanation already covered this:

"I would have to say by that quote that Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough...or that he's even using the bible period!"

Phelps wasn't in the Old Testament long enough.

 

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top

The anti-Semite Phelps obviously doesn't use the "Old Testamant" for anything and certainly not "instead of the New". If he did he wouldn't claim that Jews "hate God and the rule of law".
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He also claims that "God hates fags." Where do you think that came from?

Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

He also claims that "God hates fags." Where do you think that came from?

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I don't know.

I have read the Old Testament in three languages and the best I could find was that He condemned homosexual actions and disallowed them for Jews. I didn't get the impression that G-d hated anyone, including "fags".

Also note that a "fag" might also be a homosexual who IS homosexual but does NOT ACT it out. Nothing in the Bible prohibits or in any way condemnds or criticises BEING a homosexual.

 

Reply #48 from Stardock Forums Top

I didn't get the impression that G-d hated anyone, including "fags".
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No, but Phelps did.

Reply #49 from Stardock Forums Top

Also note that a "fag" might also be a homosexual who IS homosexual but does NOT ACT it out. Nothing in the Bible prohibits or in any way condemnds or criticises BEING a homosexual.
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Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top

Crusades, beheadings, hitler, abortion clinic bombers? You can't pin it solely on secularists Leauki, to do that would be irrational and prejudiced.
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Hitler was crazy and a religion of one. Religion is the number one reason how normally sane people justify mass murder.
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I love how people try to equate that Hilter was a Christian.  11 million people were killed in the holocaust of those 11 million roughly 5 million were Christians.  Most people (people from the States that is) know very little about the government that was in place BEFORE Nazis came into power.  Now the Weihmer republic (which was Atheistic as well had a very anti-religous stance) allowed brothels, the sell of drugs, pornography openly and other activities which Catholic church/Protestant church didn't support.  The Weihmer Republic also tried to limit what the Churches could and couldn't say.  

Hmmm that sounds very familiar.....Atheism is one of the world's least tolerant religions. It sees any other religion as a threat and when it takes over the Government it systematically eliminates all other religions.  Karl Marx himself wrote in the Communist manifesto that "communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion", thereby forcing the religion of Atheism upon those under communist/Atheist oppression.  Those who do not submit to this 'religion' of Atheism will face wrath and punishment as stated in the Communist manifesto: "The Communists... ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions".  The need to get rid of those undesireables are necessary as you continue to read on.

Atheistic Governments have been responsible for up to 259 Million murders accros the globe, from 1900 to the year 1987 alone. Up to 126 Million of those innocent victims were at the hands of the Russian Atheistic Government. Second largest Militant Atheistic state is Communist China, murdering up to 114 Million people (most from multiple religions & religious movements). The Atheists of Vietnam, North Korea and Cambodia (Pol Pot) all have murdered over 3 Million people each between 1900-1987. Atheistic Governments have had the bloodiest government ideology responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th Century.

Now, I know that some will decry that you can be an Atheist and not be a Communist which is true.  I think the recent books and TV specials linking social Darwinism, and by extension, evolutionary thinking, as the scientific underpinnings of the eugenics practiced by Hitler is worth investigating.  Rather than being Christian in nature, Hitler's revolution is more probably linked with the pseudo-science of Darwinism.

The first two are books which I've read. 

Now I could say that Atheism causes more death and destruction than any other religion.  Now for me to espouse that all atheist (I can name a bunch of promient evoluationary thinkers who are VERY VERY ANTI-RELIGION just probably as easily as someone could find some very religious person wanting to destroy any one that's not like them) are the primary evil or cause of evil I would be committing a ton of logical fallacies just as if I said religion is the root cause of all wars.